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    • #17
      Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
      you've got to be shitting me!

      The man panicked! Period!
      No argument with that, the "rethink" was intended as sarcasm. It just begs the question why did he panic?

      Originally posted by troung View Post
      Anything else in the crystal ball?
      Always, whatcha got?
      "We are all special cases." - Camus


      • #18
        All the reason to buy a modern sporting rifle and stock up on ammo.
        Tensions high after Milwaukee police shooting

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        By Emanuella Grinberg and Thom Patterson, CNN

        Updated 7:23 PM ET, Tue August 16, 2016

        (CNN) — After a night of violent protests, tensions remained high in Milwaukee as residents gathered Sunday to mourn an armed man shot to death by police.

        Family and friends of Sylville Smith, 23, held a candlelight vigil at the site of Saturday's shooting in a residential area of North Milwaukee.

        The shooting triggered unrest in the city's north side Saturday night as protesters torched businesses and threw rocks at officers. Four officers were injured and 17 people were arrested, Mayor Tom Barrett said.

        Smith's sister, Sherelle Smith, urged protesters to take the violence elsewhere, sobbing as she lamented that she would never be able to again hug her brother.

        "Take that s*** to the suburbs. Burn that s*** down," Smith said. "You all want to hurt somebody, take that further out. Don't bring it here."

        Another sister, Kimberly Neal, remembered a brother who "kept it real," a high school graduate who played basketball, a contrast to "the man with a lengthy arrest record" described by police.

        Police body camera footage showed Smith holding a handgun during the encounter, Barrett said at a Sunday news conference. Police said the unidentified officer shot Smith after he failed to comply with orders to put his gun down. His gun was loaded with 23 rounds, more than the officer was carrying.

        "He should have been tased, if anything," Neal said. "We want everybody to feel our pain."

        At one point, the crowd chanted "ready for war," followed by a a chant of "peace, peace, peace."

        Meanwhile, another group of about 100 gathered at the park near a BP gas station that was burned during Saturday's protests. Crowds ebbed and flowed at the station throughout Sunday; as night fell, community and church leaders led a prayer circle and spoke of a community that needs healing from ongoing "racism, injustices and oppression."

        'Racial problems' in Milwaukee

        The incident began when a pair of police officers stopped Smith and another person in a car on Saturday about 3:30 p.m., police said. The men fled the car and the officers followed, shooting Smith in the arm and chest when he failed to put his gun down, Barrett said.

        The handgun, along with 500 rounds of ammunition, were stolen during a burglary in nearby Waukesha in March, police said.

        Smith died at the scene, and the officer who fired the fatal shots was not injured. The officer is 24 years old and has six years of service with the Milwaukee Police Department -- three as an officer. He will be placed on administrative duty during an investigation.

        The shooting occurred near the location of an August 9 double homicide in which a man was shot dead and another was fatally stabbed, police said.

        City Alderman Khalif Rainey said the area has been a "powder keg" for potential violence throughout the summer.

        "What happened tonight may not have been right and I am not justifying that but no one can deny the fact that there are problems, racial problems in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, that need to be rectified," Rainey said. "This community of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, has become the worst place to live for African-Americans in the entire country."

        Rainey said Saturday's violence was a byproduct of inequities, injustice, unemployment and under-education.

        "Something has to be done to address these issues," he said. "The black people of Milwaukee are tired; they are tired of living under this oppression, this is their life."

        Go home, mayor pleads

        As the chaos escalated Saturday, the mayor pleaded with protesters to end their demonstrations.

        "If you love your son, if you love your daughter, text them, call them, pull them by the ears and get them home. Get them home right now before more damage is done," Barrett said.

        "I know this neighborhood very, very well. And there are a lot of really really good people who live in this area -- in the Sherman Park area, who can't stand this violence."

        The National Guard was activated but it will not be deployed unless authorized by police Chief Edward Flynn, Barrett said. By state law, the Wisconsin Department of Justice will lead the investigation.

        "Last night was unlike anything I've seen. I hope I never see it again," Barrett said Sunday.

        "A young man lost his life yesterday afternoon. And, no matter what the circumstances, his family must be hurting."

        Editor's Note: An earlier version of this story mischaracterized what the sister of Sylville Smith was trying to convey. She was calling for peace in her community, urging protesters to go elsewhere.

        CNN's Ana Cabrera reported from Milwaukee, and Joe Sutton and Ryan Young in Atlanta contributed to this report.
        Last edited by TopHatter; 19 Aug 16,, 17:00.
        To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway


        • #19
          August 17, 2016, 11:15 AM

          Grandfather: Man killed by Milwaukee police was just trying to survive

          MILWAUKEE -- The man killed in a police shooting that sparked two nights of violence in Milwaukee suffered from cognitive and mental health issues, and he carried a gun because he had been shot more than once in the past, his grandfather said.

          Sylville K. Smith had a lengthy criminal past, but was just trying to survive in the inner city, William Brookins told The Associated Press.

          “In this city, there’s a lot of killings going on in the street,” said Brookins, who detailed Smith’s problems in a letter to a judge last year seeking mercy for his grandson. “He was afraid for his life. He was concerned about his safety and surviving.”

          Smith, 23, was shot and killed Saturday after a brief foot chase that followed a traffic stop. Police say Smith was fleeing, and officials have said the officer’s body camera shows him being shot after he turned toward the officer with a gun in his hand.

          The officer, who has not been identified, is black, as was Smith. A few hours after the shooting, violence erupted on the city’s largely black north side, with protesters hurling rocks at police and burning six businesses. A lighter night of protests followed Sunday. Monday was calm, though 10 people were arrested. There were no reports of protesters​ gathering on Tuesday night.

          Smith had several run-ins with the law dating to 2013, including speeding, driving without insurance, driving with a suspended license and having open alcohol in a vehicle.

          In 2013, he was charged with felony retail theft for allegedly stealing $1,600 worth of DVDs from a Milwaukee Walmart. According to a criminal complaint, Smith and another man were seen removing fans from their boxes and putting the DVDs in the boxes. Prosecutors later dismissed the charge.

          A year later, he was charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a permit, a misdemeanor. According to court documents, two officers on bike patrol approached Smith and his friends after smelling marijuana in their vehicle and found a loaded .45-caliber pistol under Smith’s shirt. Smith pleaded guilty and was sentenced to one day in jail.

          In early 2015, Smith was charged with reckless endangerment, a felony. Investigators alleged he opened fire on a man in retaliation for the man’s role in a fight between some girls weeks earlier. According to a complaint, Smith and the man got into a car chase before the man finally stopped and ran on foot. Smith chased after the man and shot at him. He eluded Smith by hiding behind a house, according to the complaint.

          As that case was pending, Smith was charged with felony intimidation of a witness - the man he was accused of shooting at. Prosecutors said he had his girlfriend call the man and pressure him to recant. The man did, according to prosecutors, who dropped both cases that year.

          Brookins said his grandson’s criminal record was “nothing in comparison to other people.” He said Smith had never been convicted of a felony.

          “That’s the law, OK,” Brookins said. “He’s not guilty.”

          He described Smith as a good kid with a “beautiful personality.”

          Smith was known for his hip-hop dance moves and trained in gymnastics when he was in middle school, Brookins said.

          He also suffered from mental health issues, Brookins said. He declined to go into detail, saying only that Smith had problems with “comprehension and understanding” and spent time in special classes in elementary and middle school. In a letter to the judge in the reckless endangerment case, Brookins wrote that Smith was receiving Social Security payments because of his mental health problems.

          Smith had been shot on more than one occasion, Brookins said. The last time was “a few years ago” when he was hit six times in front of his mother’s house. His grandfather did not have any information on what precipitated the shooting but said Smith still carried bullet fragments in his body.

          Smith started carrying a gun after that incident.

          “That really had a great effect on him and his fear of being hurt and the need to protect himself from people trying to do him harm,” Brookins said.

          Milwaukee police could not immediately confirm Brookins’ account. A spokesman told The Associated Press to file a records request.

          Smith’s mother, Mildred Haynes, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that her son had recently received his concealed-carry license because he had been shot twice and robbed four times, including a robbery in which he was stripped of all his clothes. He leaves behind a 2-year-old son.

          “I’m not going to say he was an angel. He was out here living his life,” Smith’s godmother, Katherine Mahmoud, told the newspaper.

          “It’s hard to grasp he’s no longer here,” Brookins said. “Oh, my God. This is terrible.”
          2016 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

          Last edited by TopHatter; 19 Aug 16,, 16:59.
          To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway


          • #20
            Washington Examiner: Movement's demands aimed at weakening law enforcement

            Washington Examiner • Published: August 19, 2016 •

            A Department of Justice report on Baltimore's Police Department contains striking revelations of abuse by officers. For example:

            • Black citizens are harassed without probable cause, leading to no charges or citations in 24 of every 25 cases.

            • Excessive force has been routinely used even against people already in handcuffs.

            • Retaliation is exacted against citizens for rudeness to officers.

            Read all the recent editorials from The Oklahoman.

            • Police interfere with people exercising their right to videotape police actions.

            The list goes on, but is underwritten by a general lack of accountability. And such problems are not confined to Baltimore, but apparent in other police forces.

            They must be fixed. Fortunately, the public already broadly agrees with this. An epoch in which anyone can videotape what is in front of them has made the problem apparent. Reform is not just on the way, but already being undertaken.

            But, whilst there are legitimate grievances, the Black Lives Matter movement has added many absurd and unreasonable ones, that hinder rather than advance a cause that might otherwise garner more sympathy.

            The group's official set of demands, released this month, seems less aimed at preserving black lives than at weakening law enforcement altogether, even at the expense of more black lives.

            One BLM demand is the reversal (under the guise of deprivatization) of education reforms that have vastly improved conditions for a lot of many inner-city, mostly black, schoolchildren. This helps no one except teachers' unions, and by denying black children access to a good education it makes them more likely to pursue adult lives on the wrong side of the law.

            Black Lives Matter also demands the abolition of all police surveillance, including the use of police body cameras, that have proven effective in reducing police brutality.

            BLM insists that police be removed from schools; that "all deportations" cease, including those of criminal immigrants; that no one be sent to jails "as we know them" until "we achieve a world where cages are no longer used against our people."

            This is unworkable nonsense, intended to be provocative and intransigent rather than to improve a criminal justice system that indeed needs improving. Everyone, to state the obvious, is safer when criminals are caught, convicted and put behind bars. The ability of police to enforce the law is non-negotiable.

            The problem is not that police arrest too many criminals, or that they approach their job too strategically by using "predictive policing software," which BLM curiously wants abolished. The problem is not that suspects are required to post bail as a condition of release pending trial, which BLM also wants scrapped.

            The answer to both crime and to those occasions when police step out of line is to strengthen the rule of law, not to weaken it. Black Lives Matter is not seeking arrangements that would improve the condition of black people. It is seeking to undermine and weaken a system which, though badly in need of reform, remains the best hope for protecting a minority community whose members are disproportionately the victims of crime, not just its perpetrators.

            The demand that law enforcement be reduced or, as some radicals advocate, eradicated altogether, puts black people in special jeopardy. They are five times more likely to be murdered than white people. Denying them police protection would be a withdrawal rather than an enhancement of their civil rights.

            Black Lives Matter takes a pathological view of American society that should be rejected by all right-thinking people. The lives of black people killed by the police are not more or less important than the far greater number of black lives extinguished by criminals.

            The police work for the public, and they must do their jobs so every person in society feels safer with them around rather than with them absent. A less active or effective police force benefits no one, except those who would prey on peaceable, law-abiding citizens.

            Police must be paid and trained better, and inadequate candidates must be rejected. This will require resources to be more wisely spent, which includes the reform of police pension systems to allow salaries to be raised.

            There are lessons to be learned, too, from policing methods in other countries, about best practices for non-lethal management of suspects. American police forces should also follow the lead of Dallas and other cities that have made major changes successfully without any resulting spike in crime.

            Body cameras should be mandatory in all police encounters (and worn properly so they are trained on the action, not on the ceiling). Incentives and new laws should ensure that police preserve all video footage, without suspicious disappearances or cameras deliberately covered up to hide abuses.

            These and other changes will help create a society in which all members of the public, no matter their race, feel safe and trust the police. But Black Lives Matter, sparked by a central lie ("hands up, don't shoot") about Michael Brown's death in Ferguson, Mo., is a movement that continues to work against the truth. Police reform is necessary, but Black Lives Matter has none of the answers.

            — Washington Examiner editorial, Aug. 12
            Last edited by TopHatter; 19 Aug 16,, 16:58.
            To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway


            • #21
              Originally posted by Wooglin View Post
              That'a wonderful video, Wooglin...and a ggod thing he was walking with a cameraman and a shirt with large capital letters (in English) on black background...
              Otherwise you don't just walk up to a police officer (particularly a solo officer and put your arms around them (particularly if the officer is shorter or female)...same as anyone who requires [I]space[I]...otherwise one might get tazored or worse.

              But agreed the world needs person and one smile at a time. "Peace"...
              Real eyes realize real lies.


              • #22

                CHICAGO — The nation’s third-largest city has recorded 81 murders so far in August, making it the most violent month that Chicago has seen in nearly 20 years, according to Chicago Police Department data.

                Chicago, which has already recorded 462 murders this year, according to police department data, hasn’t experienced this level of violence since the late 1990s and early 2000s when the city recorded 600 or more murders annually. The August murder toll is the most Chicago has seen in a single month since October 1996 when the city recorded 85 killings.

                The latest victim, 16-year-old Elijah Sims, and a 15-year-old friend were shot late Monday as they were hanging out on the city’s West Side, police said.

                Sims, who suffered a gunshot wound to the head, was rushed to a nearby hospital but succumbed to his injuries early Tuesday. The 15-year-old was shot in the back and remains hospitalized. Neither had gang ties, authorities said.

                It’s been a difficult summer for Chicago, which has recorded more murders than larger cities New York and Los Angeles have tallied combined. The murder toll for Chicago is about 50% higher compared with the same period last year. Police have already recorded more than 2,300 non-fatal shooting incidents this year, about 48% more than at the same time last year.

                Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson have blamed the rise in violence on increased gang activity and have repeatedly expressed frustration that state and federal gun laws aren’t tougher on habitual offenders.

                Much of the violence is concentrated in predominantly African-American neighborhoods on the city's South and West sides. The uptick in violence comes as the black community's relationship with police has become increasingly strained following the court-ordered release last year of police video that showed a white officer shooting a black teen 16 times. Subsequent controversial police-involved shootings have further complicated the relationship.
                Odd. No mention of BLM, protests, rioting, or disgruntled mobs....


                • #23
                  Originally posted by Wooglin View Post
                  Odd. No mention of BLM, protests, rioting, or disgruntled mobs....
                  It doesn't fit the BLM narrative that cops are casually gunning down young black men in the streets for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
                  Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value


                  • #24
                    A book or a gun....

                    Anger Simmers in Charlotte as 2 Narratives of Police Shooting Take Hold

                    By ALAN BLINDER and TIMOTHY WILLIAMSSEPT. 21, 2016

                    CHARLOTTE, N.C. — A night of violent clashes between the authorities and protesters after the fatal police shooting of an African-American man left North Carolina’s largest city on edge Wednesday, as competing narratives began to take hold and residents here braced for the possibility of further unrest.

                    Officials in Charlotte urged calm and reiterated their position that the Tuesday afternoon shooting of the man, Keith L. Scott, 43, occurred after he posed an “imminent deadly threat” to police officers. But at the University City apartment complex where Mr. Scott was killed, critics of the city government suggested that investigators were covering up a murder, and cast doubts on the police’s account.

                    At a news conference on Wednesday, Kerr Putney, chief of the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department, said officers had found the gun that the police said Mr. Scott had brandished before an officer fatally shot him and were examining police video of the encounter between Mr. Scott and officers as Mr. Scott stepped out of a car.

                    “He did have a weapon when he exited the vehicle,” Chief Putney said. “Officers were giving loud, clear verbal commands. The suspect exited the vehicle with a handgun, threatening officers.”

                    While family members of Mr. Scott have said that he was unarmed, and was holding only a book, Chief Putney said Wednesday morning, “We did not find a book.”

                    About an hour later, John Barnett, a civil rights activist in Charlotte, said during a raucous news conference near the site of the shooting that Mr. Scott had simply been waiting for his son to arrive home from school.

                    “The truth of the matter is, he didn’t point that gun,” Mr. Barnett said. “Did he intend to really sit in a vehicle, waiting on his son to get home from school and then plot to shoot a cop if they pulled up on him?”

                    Adding to an atmosphere loaded with suspicion and mistrust, residents of the apartment complex gave varying accounts of Mr. Scott’s death.

                    Some gave a different account from the police of which officer had fired the fatal shots, and others said that no one had tried to administer C.P.R. on Mr. Scott as officials had said.

                    Some activists demanded an economic boycott of Charlotte, a hub of commerce and culture in North Carolina.

                    “Since black lives do not matter for this city, then our black dollars should not matter,” said B. J. Murphy, another Charlotte activist. “We’re watching a modern-day lynching on social media, on television and it is affecting the psyche of black people.”

                    Mr. Murphy added: “Everybody in Charlotte should be on notice that black people, today, we’re tired of this bull. We’re tired of being killed and nobody saying nothing. We’re tired of our political leaders going along to get along; they’re so weak, they don’t have no sympathy for our grief. And we want justice.”

                    As an overcast day in Charlotte wore on, no one seemed certain whether the city was poised for a repeat of the violence on Tuesday night.

                    “I do encourage the youth to be controlled,” Mr. Barnett said, “but I can’t control them.”

                    Mr. Murphy said pointedly that he expected more demonstrations.

                    “I’m not telling our brothers and sisters to stop,” he said. “We’re not going to get out there and tell y’all: ‘Oh, brother, you shouldn’t do that. You shouldn’t do this,’ when we ain’t getting no justice.”

                    Later, a chant of “Hands up! Don’t shoot” began. A man, deep into the crowd, shouted his gloomy assessment: “If you put your hands up, they’re still going to shoot.”

                    Attorney General Loretta Lynch said Wednesday that the Justice Department “is aware of, and we are assessing, the incident that led to the death of Keith Lamont Scott in Charlotte.”

                    On Tuesday night and into Wednesday morning, protesters blocked Interstate 85 and looted material from a tractor-trailer before setting the cargo ablaze, Chief Putney said. Other demonstrators threw rocks at officers, causing at least 16 injuries and damage to several police cars. The police made one arrest and used tear gas to disperse protesters.

                    The protests had begun peacefully, the chief said, but “when that behavior becomes violent,” officers had been compelled to respond more aggressively.

                    Chief Putney said that the shooting occurred on Tuesday just after 4 p.m., when officers arrived at the apartment complex to serve a warrant on a resident. While there, the officers saw Mr. Scott step out of a car, armed with a gun, the chief said.

                    The officers ordered Mr. Scott to drop the weapon, and when he did not, Chief Putney said, he was shot.

                    The chief said that police investigators were reviewing video from officers’ body cameras, but that he did not believe that Brentley Vinson, the officer who the police say killed Mr. Scott, was wearing a camera at the time of the shooting. Officer Vinson has been placed on administrative leave, the department said.

                    The protests began in the University City neighborhood in northeast Charlotte, near the University of North Carolina at Charlotte campus. WSOC-TV reported that looters later moved off the highway and tried to break into a Walmart before officers arrived in force to keep them out, and at least one family driving on Interstate 85 reported that their car’s windshield had been shattered by demonstrators throwing rocks.

                    In a series of Twitter posts, Mayor Jennifer Roberts urged calm and promised a thorough investigation into the death of Mr. Scott.

                    “The community deserves answers and full investigation will ensue,” Ms. Roberts wrote. “Will be reaching out to community leaders to work together.”

                    Although their accounts sometimes diverged, members of Mr. Scott’s family generally told local news outlets that he had not had a weapon. Instead, they said, he had been clutching a book while waiting to pick up a child after school.

                    The shooting revived scrutiny of a police department that drew national attention about three years ago when a white officer was quickly charged with voluntary manslaughter after he killed Jonathan Ferrell, an unarmed black man.

                    The shooting in Charlotte this week was the latest in a string of deaths of black people at the hands of the police that have stoked outrage around the country. It came just a few days after a white police officer in Tulsa, Okla., fatally shot Terence Crutcher, a black man who was unarmed and could be seen on video raising his hands above his head. The encounters, many of them at least partly caught on video, have led to intense debate about race relations and law enforcement.

                    In Charlotte, dozens of chanting demonstrators, some of them holding signs, began gathering near the site of the shooting on Tuesday evening. Around 10 p.m., the Police Department wrote on Twitter that it had sent its civil emergency unit to the scene “to safely remove our officers.”

                    “Demonstrators surrounded our officers who were attempting to leave scene,” the department said. It identified Officer Vinson, an employee since July 2014, as the officer who had fired his weapon. Officer Vinson is black, according to local reports.

                    According to the department, officers saw Mr. Scott leave a vehicle with a weapon soon after they arrived at the apartment complex.

                    “Officers observed the subject get back into the vehicle, at which time they began to approach the subject,” the department said in its first statement about the shooting. “The subject got back out of the vehicle armed with a firearm and posed an imminent deadly threat to the officers, who subsequently fired their weapon, striking the subject.”

                    On Facebook, a woman who identified herself as Mr. Scott’s daughter said the police had fired without provocation.

                    “The police just shot my daddy four times for being black,” the woman said moments into a Facebook Live broadcast that lasted about an hour. Later in the broadcast, she learned that her father had died and speculated that the police were planting evidence.

                    In the September 2013 case involving Mr. Ferrell, officials charged a Charlotte police officer with voluntary manslaughter after he fired a dozen rounds at Mr. Ferrell, killing him. The criminal case against the officer, Randall Kerrick, ended in a mistrial, and the authorities did not seek to try him again.

                    Correction: September 21, 2016

                    An earlier version of this article gave an incorrect time for the shooting. It occurred just before 4 p.m., not after 4.
                    Last edited by TopHatter; 22 Sep 16,, 14:44.
                    To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway


                    • #25
                      Meanwhile in Massachusetts......


                      This was settled by the Supreme Court in 2000- perhaps the Mass Supreme Court hadn't read the brief?

                      Doesn't anyone consider the Law of Unintended Consequences?