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I refer you to Crowdstrike's findings. The FBI/DHS report is about modus operandi more than anything else which fits other hacks elsewhere we know were Moscow based. The whole thing stinks; seriously I am no Obama fan in any way but when Trump calls on Moscow to hack to the Clinton campaign... and it seems highly likely at least that they did, you would dismiss it and "move on"? Do you have some reason to distrust ALL your intelligence agencies? This isn't about Party politics; it's about having a criminal organisation posing as a Government interfere in your election. I understand that such things may be somewhat novel to you Yanks and nobody woke you up but this war has been going on at least - or rather never stopped after the USSR fell apart and you got attacked. My involvement is relatively recent obviously but I know enough of the signs and when it looks like a pig, snorts like a pig and smells like a pig my working hypothesis must be that it is a pig. Where Moscow is concerned 'coincidences' are all too frequent.Last edited by snapper; 31 Dec 16,, 00:48.
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Originally posted by YellowFever View PostThat's funny, I just signed on to post that exact report.
After reading all 13 pages, I find nothing that supports your theory that the Russians hacked the election or released just some of it to help one side.
Do you?
45 China
44 the United States
19 the Netherlands
14 Germany
11 France
8 Sweden
8 South Korea
6 Thailand
6 Japan
6 Canada
5 Denmark
4 Romania
3 Vietnam
3 Turkey
3 the United Kingdom
3 Taiwan
3 Swaziland
3 Spain
3 Puerto Rico
3 Mexico
3 Italy
3 Indonesia
3 Bulgaria
2 Russia
2 Luxembourg
2 Lithuania
2 Iraq
2 Iran
2 India
2 Greece
2 Finland
2 Estonia
2 Czech Republic
2 Brazil
1 Venezuela
1 United Kingdom
1 Ukraine
1 the Slovakia
1 Singapore
1 Serbia
1 Poland
1 Mongolia
1 Malaysia
1 Kenya
1 Kazakhstan
1 Hungary
1 Ghana
1 Egypt
1 Cambodia
1 Belgium
1 Bangladesh
1 AustriaIn the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
Leibniz
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As the interwebs are now saying, the Russians have hacked Rolling Stone. How else to explain this column?In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
Leibniz
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Originally posted by Parihaka View PostI found the list of IP's used in the attack, as provided in CSV file in the Cert report (here)
45 China
44 the United States
19 the Netherlands
14 Germany
11 France
8 Sweden
8 South Korea
6 Thailand
6 Japan
6 Canada
5 Denmark
4 Romania
3 Vietnam
3 Turkey
3 the United Kingdom
3 Taiwan
3 Swaziland
3 Spain
3 Puerto Rico
3 Mexico
3 Italy
3 Indonesia
3 Bulgaria
2 Russia
2 Luxembourg
2 Lithuania
2 Iraq
2 Iran
2 India
2 Greece
2 Finland
2 Estonia
2 Czech Republic
2 Brazil
1 Venezuela
1 United Kingdom
1 Ukraine
1 the Slovakia
1 Singapore
1 Serbia
1 Poland
1 Mongolia
1 Malaysia
1 Kenya
1 Kazakhstan
1 Hungary
1 Ghana
1 Egypt
1 Cambodia
1 Belgium
1 Bangladesh
1 AustriaNo such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostI am not aware that "hacking the election" is what is claimed... 'Hacking the election' would imply some attempt to manipulate the vote count itself or something of the voting and counting process (this they actually attempted in the Ukrainian Presidential Election in May 2014) and I do not think anyone is claiming that this was the case. It would be more accurate to say they hacked the DNC (and some Republicans that we know of) and then released selected chosen bits in an attempt to interfere in the election campaign. Not the same as 'hacking the election' technically though the effects may be similar.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostI refer you to Crowdstrike's findings. The FBI/DHS report is about modus operandi more than anything else which fits other hacks elsewhere we know were Moscow based. The whole thing stinks; seriously I am no Obama fan in any way but when Trump calls on Moscow to hack to the Clinton campaign... and it seems highly likely at least that they did, you would dismiss it and "move on"? Do you have some reason to distrust ALL your intelligence agencies? This isn't about Party politics; it's about having a criminal organisation posing as a Government interfere in your election. I understand that such things may be somewhat novel to you Yanks and nobody woke you up but this war has been going on at least - or rather never stopped after the USSR fell apart and you got attacked. My involvement is relatively recent obviously but I know enough of the signs and when it looks like a pig, snorts like a pig and smells like a pig my working hypothesis must be that it is a pig. Where Moscow is concerned 'coincidences' are all too frequent.
(Uhhh....no he didn't really. More Democrat *ahem* hack bullshit)
Seriously, your posts throughout the last few years indicate a deep hatred of Putin and I understand that with what he put your country through.
But I am more interested in facts than anything else.
Did the Russians hack the Democrats? Yeah, probably.
Did they try to hack anything else? Yeah, a shitload of places. If you read the report, you'd know that.
So don't make it sound like they got all these boatloads of information from everywhere and only released certain things to help Trump and hurt Clinton.
I'm seriously wondering if you would be this passionate about this issue if if were the Chinese rather than the Russians that did the hacking.Last edited by YellowFever; 31 Dec 16,, 03:27.
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Originally posted by Parihaka View PostAs the interwebs are now saying, the Russians have hacked Rolling Stone. How else to explain this column?
You bash one side over and over and over and put out 1 or 2 of these articles a year to cover their asses in case someone accuses them of partiality.
They have something to point to as their evidence that proves they are impartial.
....but you know that already. :P
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Originally posted by YellowFever View PostDid the Russians hack the Democrats? Yeah, probably.
Did they try to hack anything else? Yeah, a shitload of places. If you read the report, you'd know that.
So don't make it sound like they got all these boatloads of information from everywhere and only released certain things to help Trump and hurt Clinton.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostDid they attempt to interfere with your election? That is the basis of the new sanctions and expulsions. I tend to think they did and therefore believe the latest measures justified. I do not 'hate Putin' and am not scared of his mob but I do understand them perhaps.No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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My rationality (or lack of) is not the issue. We know who these people are. Look at the hacks done by 'Fancy Bear'; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_Bear . This is not about me - or yellow or any other one person but about a deliberate attempt to interfere with the democratic process in the US. Whether it materially effected the outcome of the election is not the point; it was an attack to which Obama was justified (and in my book late) in replying. What did Trump have to say about it?
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 18h18 hours ago
Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!
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No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostWhat? He is defending the crooks who attacked the system that elected him?In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
Leibniz
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According to the MSNBC video, 52 percent of Democrats believe Russians actually got into the voting machines and hacked it.
Wonder where they got that idea.....Ego Numquam
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