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    No record of ‘faithless elector' Chris Suprun as a 9/11 first responder



    Jason Whitely and Mark Smith , WFAA 10:09 PM. CST December 16, 2016

    DALLAS - UPDATE: Responding on Reddit today, Chris Suprun said he worked as a firefighter in Dale City, Virginia on September 11, 2001. But there's no listing for Dale City on his publicly available and comprehensive LinkedIn résumé. In September 2001, according to Suprun's LinkedIn résumé, he was employed by the Manassas Park, Virginia fire department. Suprun also does not list being a firefighter in Dale City, Virginia on a recent lengthy seven-page paper résumé, which WFAA obtained. Neither Suprun nor his public relations firms have responded to WFAA since this story was first published.

    The Republican elector who has gotten national attention for refusing to vote for Donald Trump at the Electoral College on Dec. 19 was apparently not a first responder on September 11, 2001 as he has stated for years and has a questionable career history, according to an investigation by WFAA.

    Chris Suprun, 42, portrays himself as a heroic firefighter who was among the first on the scene after the third plane flew into the Pentagon on 9/11.

    In a heavily-publicized editorial this month for the New York Times, Suprun stated that as a member of the Electoral College he will not cast his ballot for Trump because the president-elect “shows daily he is not qualified for the office.”

    Suprun, a Dallas resident for more than a decade, even used his résumé to establish credibility in the Times piece, writing in the second paragraph: "Fifteen years ago, as a firefighter, I was part of the response to the Sept. 11 attacks against our nation."

    He has founded a nonprofit called Never Forget and state records show he is a licensed paramedic -- but much of the rest of résumé, publicly available on LinkedIn, is questionable.

    In addition, on at least two occasions over the last couple years at crowded Major League Baseball games, Suprun has been introduced as a 9/11 veteran before throwing out first pitches.

    "He claimed to be a first responder with the Manassas Park [Virginia] Fire Department on September 11, 2001 and personally told us stories 'I was fighting fire that day at the Pentagon.’ No, I was on a medic unit that day at the Pentagon and you make a phone call to Manassas Park and you find out that he wasn't even employed there until October 2001,” said a first responder who knows Suprun and only agreed to speak about him if his identity was concealed.

    The City of Manassas Park confirmed to WFAA that it hired Suprun on October 10, 2001, one month after the 9/11 attacks.

    The fire chief there added that his department never even responded to the Pentagon or any of the 9/11 sites.

    "It's no different than stolen valor for the military; dressing up and saying 'Hey, I earned a Purple Heart' when you weren't even in combat.' There's a big difference between shopping at Old Navy and being a Navy SEAL," said the first responder who knows him.

    But Suprun's résumé raises even more questions.

    It shows he was, at the time this story aired on WFAA, a paramedic with Air Methods air ambulance service. But Christina Brodsly, a spokeswoman for that company, said he is not an employee there.

    Suprun also claims to currently be a paramedic with Freedom EMS in Dallas. But records from the Texas Department of State Health Services indicate there's no such company. A firm with that name used to exist in Houston, but it went out of business in 2008, according to DSHS.

    Turns out, federal court records show Suprun has spent the last five years in bankruptcy while his résumé says he was working. He even collected unemployment during part of it, court records show. Suprun was just released from bankruptcy supervision this month.

    He never responded to multiple emails from WFAA and calls to his telephone go to a recording which says his voicemail is full.

    Two public relations firms he has hired – Megaphone Strategies and Fenton Communications – responded to our requests for an interview saying: “Suprun's schedule is jammed packed.”

    His story raises a bigger question, though. How are presidential electors chosen? And more importantly, aren't they vetted? Unfortunately, not. They are selected in an almost informal process that each party undertakes at their state convention.

    "Parties might want to ask for a little more background information, do a little bit of checking into people who would like to be members of the electoral college,” said Matthew Wilson, a political science professor at SMU.

    He suggested that Suprun’s case might change things four years from now.

    "I think in the future there will be a little more vetting and scrutiny given to prospective electors only because there's been so much discussion in this cycle of the possibility of faithless electors," continued Wilson.

    If Suprun isn't working at the places on his résumé, whose uniform is he wearing at public appearances? Manassas Park, VA said it looks similar to theirs from 12 years ago but could not positively identify it.

    Texas electors meet Monday in Austin. It's uncertain who will get Suprun's vote. But as Suprun questions Trump's credibility fellow first responders have doubts of their own about his.

    http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/texas...nder/371421191
    Last edited by YellowFever; 17 Dec 16,, 06:09.

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    • Originally posted by YellowFever View Post
      Meh.....for what it's worth......
      No record of ‘faithless elector' Chris Suprun as a 9/11 first responder

      Jason Whitely and Mark Smith , WFAA 10:09 PM. CST December 16, 2016

      http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/texas...nder/371421191[/QUOTE]

      Just goes to show, anybody who makes a play for celebrity-hood better have a clean resume. Otherwise, the media will eat your lunch.
      To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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      • And a response from Salon....


        http://www.salon.com/2016/12/16/gop-...sponder-claim/





        FRIDAY, DEC 16, 2016 03:25 PM PST


        GOP elector voting against Donald Trump faces smear campaign over 9/11 first-responder claim
        Charges that Texas elector Christopher Suprun lied about his 9/11 service appear untrue, but threats pour in



        MATTHEW ROZSA


        TOPICS: 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, 9/11, 9/11 ATTACKS, CHRISTOPHER SUPRUN, DONALD TRUMP, ELECTIONS 2016, ELECTORAL COLLEGE, HAMILTON ELECTORS, VIDEO NEWS, ELECTIONS NEWS, NEWS, POLITICS NEWS


        GOP elector voting against Donald Trump faces smear campaign over 9/11 first-responder claim


        Christopher Suprun of Texas, who remains the only Republican elector to publicly join the Hamilton Electors and announce that he will not vote for Donald Trump on Dec. 19, is facing a smear campaign that he believes emanates from the president-elect.

        Suprun has said he was a first responder during the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and has now been accused of falsifying that claim. Those accusations, however, revolve around evidence that Suprun was not in New York during or after 9/11, when he has never claimed he was. Suprun says he responded to the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon as a volunteer firefighter in northern Virginia. Salon has confirmed that Suprun worked at various Virginia fire departments between 1994 and about 2004.

        On Friday, an ABC affiliate in Dallas ran a story suggesting that Suprun was lying about his 9/11 service:

        The Republican elector who has gotten national attention for refusing to vote for Donald Trump at the Electoral College on Dec. 19 was apparently not a first responder on September 11, 2001 as he has stated for years and has a questionable career history, according to an investigation by WFAA.

        Suprun believes these malicious reports are part of a smear campaign orchestrated against him by a worried Trump team.

        “We’ve got multiple reports of them threatening other electors, saying ‘You’re not going to have a political future,'” Suprun told Salon in an interview. “I’m not really sure why anybody else would come after me this hard, this fast, and with a bunch of make-believe in a lot of cases.”

        Suprun told Salon that he started as a volunteer in the Annandale Fire Department in Fairfax County, Virginia, in 1994, and was working as a volunteer in nearby Dale City, Virginia, at the time of the 9/11 attacks. He later became a professional firefighter in Manassas Park, Virginia, he says, before moving to Texas in 2004.

        Suprun expressed dismay at the fact that “fully grown adults who support Donald Trump spend their nights bullying children,” saying that this “should be a red flag to all Americans about this man and his followers.”

        “Since before my announcement, I’ve had people attacking me and threatening me, as you might have seen on my Twitter feed,” Suprun told Salon in an interview. “My wife and daughters were threatened with rape with a knife, before they kill me, if I didn’t vote for Trump.”

        It isn’t just Trump’s followers, however, that Hamilton Electors see as the problem,.

        “Trump is scared because he had the RNC [Republican National Committee] run a historically unprecedented whip count of Electors to make sure they have the votes on Dec. 19 when the Electoral College officially meets at statehouses across the country,” said Bret Chiafalo, a Democratic elector from Washington. “With allegations of Russia hacking our democracy and his picks for a potential administration, Americans of all political stripes are waking up to the fact that this man is a reality TV show starlet that is completely unprepared to be president.”

        Michael Baca, a Democratic elector from Colorado, echoed these thoughts in the press release.

        “When I enlisted in the Marine Corps, I swore an oath to defend the Constitution and the American people against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” said Baca. “On Dec. 19 and every day after, I’ll continue to stand beside fellow patriotic Electors who are committed to doing their Constitutional duty, like Chris Suprun, who is a brave and honorable man.”

        Siprun said that Trump supporters have bullied his children online and accused him of lying about his service as a firefighter during the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

        As Salon reported earlier on Friday, if the allegations that the Trump campaign is pressuring the Hamilton Electors into sticking by him are true, legal experts believe those actions would also be illegal.

        Sources close to the Hamilton Electors believe there are anywhere from 16 to 28 other potential Republican defectors.


        Matthew Rozsa

        Matthew Rozsa is a breaking news writer for Salon. He holds an MA in History from Rutgers University-Newark and his work has appeared in Mic, Quartz and MSNBC
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        • Boo hop, someone put him on the list without checking who he is. Get over it and move on
          No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

          To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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          • CIA and FBI officials do not think Russia had a “single purpose” by intervening during the presidential campaign. In addition to helping Trump, intelligence officials have told lawmakers that Moscow’s other goal included undermining confidence in the U.S. electoral system.
            So where does "elect Trump" figure on the hierarchy of Russian goals?
            "The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck

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            • Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
              Dor:

              I don't think we are talking about the same thing. The concept of loyal opposition rests on the premise that the goal of all parties in enacting legislation is the greatest public good. So, loyal means loyal to the good of the country, not to the majority party. Opposition needs no explanation.
              We are on the same page.

              Ideally it works like this: If you propose legislation and you need my support, you will be inclined to make changes to satisfy me. I might find flaws you did not see. Or, I might want the legislation to also cover X and Y. If we iron out all our differences, then the final form of the legislation will have greater support and do the most public good.
              Yeah, that didn't happen for about five years ... that why we have QE forever: zero GOPer congressional support for fiscal measures to head off a serious national threat. Government shut-down kind of zero support. Anti-America's best interest kind of zero support. Remember?

              We won't forget.

              This is how most of the business of legislating takes place. But not always, as the recent gridlock in Congress attests.
              Oh, so you DO remember!


              To your point about the bipartisan support for the 2001 Iraq invasion, those who supported it from both parties in Congress chose what they perceived to be the greater good. There is an old saying that illustrates what happened: It is better to err on the side of trust than it is to err on the side of distrust. It came down to the president saying we must act to protect our national security and here's the evidence; do you trust him or not?
              Yeah, that's the one. That's the one where the GOPer-in-Chief abused the opposition's loyalty to the best interests of the nation for his own petty personal vendetta.

              Never again.
              Trust me?
              I'm an economist!

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              • Originally posted by DOR View Post
                We are on the same page.



                Yeah, that didn't happen for about five years ... that why we have QE forever: zero GOPer congressional support for fiscal measures to head off a serious national threat. Government shut-down kind of zero support. Anti-America's best interest kind of zero support. Remember?

                We won't forget.



                Oh, so you DO remember!




                Yeah, that's the one. That's the one where the GOPer-in-Chief abused the opposition's loyalty to the best interests of the nation for his own petty personal vendetta.

                Never again.

                Dor:

                Perpetuating the gridlock by those who feel victimized by it and who shouted the loudest against makes them no better than those who caused it.
                To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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                • Originally posted by DOR View Post
                  Yeah, that didn't happen for about five years ... that why we have QE forever: zero GOPer congressional support for fiscal measures to head off a serious national threat. Government shut-down kind of zero support.
                  I seem to remember you assuring me that QE forever wouldn't happen and as I recall it the Government shut down was about cutting the budget.

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                  • Originally posted by YellowFever View Post
                    I don't know much about this, nor do I really care, but the Salon article states that:

                    Suprun has said he was a first responder during the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and has now been accused of falsifying that claim. Those accusations, however, revolve around evidence that Suprun was not in New York during or after 9/11, when he has never claimed he was. Suprun says he responded to the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon as a volunteer firefighter in northern Virginia. Salon has confirmed that Suprun worked at various Virginia fire departments between 1994 and about 2004.
                    When the article above it doesn't even mention NY, instead saying:


                    "He claimed to be a first responder with the Manassas Park [Virginia] Fire Department on September 11, 2001 and personally told us stories 'I was fighting fire that day at the Pentagon.’ No, I was on a medic unit that day at the Pentagon and you make a phone call to Manassas Park and you find out that he wasn't even employed there until October 2001,” said a first responder who knows Suprun and only agreed to speak about him if his identity was concealed.

                    The City of Manassas Park confirmed to WFAA that it hired Suprun on October 10, 2001, one month after the 9/11 attacks.

                    The fire chief there added that his department never even responded to the Pentagon or any of the 9/11 sites.
                    In fact, nothing in the Salon article actually refutes the WFAA report but they make it sound like it does. How is "fake news" worse than this?

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                    • I actually like QE forever and consider that a preferable alternative to what we were going to get. I'd trust fiscal stimulus more if I could trust America could build infrastructure, and I'd trust America's ability to build infrastructure if a bipartisan group of Senators pressure-washed those stupid protestors out of the way and got DAPL finished.

                      Instead it's more trains....wooo...Acela line....and a bunch of progressives finger-waving that we can't do construction because then all the jobs will go to white men.
                      "The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck

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                      • Originally posted by Wooglin View Post
                        In fact, nothing in the Salon article actually refutes the WFAA report but they make it sound like it does. How is "fake news" worse than this?
                        Was not my intention but I think it clearly demonstrates what "real" news is supposed to be like as opposed to "fake" news.

                        Look at the headlines between the two articles.

                        LoL.......Salon is as fake as anything Breibart ever put out.
                        Last edited by YellowFever; 17 Dec 16,, 22:03.

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                        • Originally posted by DOR View Post

                          Yeah, that's the one. That's the one where the GOPer-in-Chief abused the opposition's loyalty to the best interests of the nation for his own petty personal vendetta.

                          Never again.
                          Oh Please spare us the semantics. It's a far cry from "loyalty to the nation" to "the party" If only the dems gave as much of a damn about Hacking a national security program a-la the F-35, as opposed to hacking a private organisation, I.E the DNC , one might take "loyal opposition" a little more seriously.

                          To be sure, your CIC has warned of serious consequences, 'some public, and others you won't hear about' over the supernational ego of the DNC.

                          Why is it the blinkers come on so selectively when you're partisan.
                          Ego Numquam

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                            • Originally posted by Chunder View Post
                              If only the dems gave as much of a damn about Hacking a national security program a-la the F-35, as opposed to hacking a private organisation, I.E the DNC , one might take "loyal opposition" a little more seriously.
                              Or indeed the White House, or The State Department. I will admit I understand the anger currently directed at the Russians. It is the use of it in the civil war the Dems are conducting against conservatism that is misplaced.
                              In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                              Leibniz

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                              • Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
                                Dor:

                                Perpetuating the gridlock by those who feel victimized by it and who shouted the loudest against makes them no better than those who caused it.
                                OK. No better than. Got it.



                                Ignoring history is unwise.
                                Falling for the same trick twice is dumb.
                                Playing by what used to be the rules of the game (loyal opposition) after the other guys already went nuclear (government shut-down attempts under a national threat) is both dumb and unwise.
                                Trust me?
                                I'm an economist!

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