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  • And Hitesh, before you reply, the Indian Consulate resided outside the UN zone, making American law the dominant, not UN law. Therefore, no matter what her mission to the UN was, unless the Americans recognize it outside the UN zone, she was shit out luck. Guess what? She was shit out luck.
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    • Originally posted by commander View Post
      In Indian rupees that comes to 14 Lakhs. With added costs that will be greater than 18 lakhs if not more.
      Ah...OK?

      Antimony and yourself were debating the availability of the Prius in the United States, am I wrong?

      Originally posted by commander View Post
      Wow, so many diplomats. SO then this confirms the US authorities intentionaly bullied India to help out the under dog, even knowing that would anger the Indian government. So why would they want to do that now.
      Wait, how do you figure that??
      Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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      • Commander, its economy of scale. India will pay roughly the same price for solar or coal if she goes big and only one of them has significant down stream effects.

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        • This is not the first time that US law enforcement has confronted India about her maid servants. In fact, this is the 3rd time ... and India has not smartened up. India can only flaunt US law in her face for so long before the Americans react. Guess what? The Americans reacted.
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          • In fact, this thread is non sequitor! The Americans have every right to chose when and if to enforce her own laws. And India has absolutely ZERO say in the matter.

            For fuck sakes, every country got the right to expell Ambassadors, who believes that countries don't got the right to arrest Councillors?
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            • Originally posted by commander View Post
              I agree with you on what needs to be done. All I am saying is not now. Let us build a platform first then we can build on it. But we need that platform badly. I was only pointing out how some of US policies contradicts with it's actions.
              No, this is where you are wrong. we are at a stage where industrial and economic activity is about to take off. If we do not make the right equipment and infrastructure choices now, it may be too costly a mistake to fix later. nd it needs to be done in an incentive/ carrot and stick manner rather than in a ham handed bureaucratic way.

              Lets take some examples instead of mere rhetoric. Many industrial units use CPP (Captive Power Plants). We can have incentives to get these powered by solar or wind than by coal. Incentives may include subsidies, tax breaks or even the ability to gt credits by feeding back to the network. We can have incentives based on total carbon footprint

              Another one, what say we start a subsidy program for hybrids? Much better than some of the stupid kerosene or other subsidies we give. And if we cover all vehicular classes (like Autos for example) then all sections of society can benefit.

              The technology is there, it is a matter of the right policy to use it.

              About the US, forget about them, lets take care of our own house. Also, no nation particularly wants to humiliate another friendly nation. Nations and people do follow their own goals, which sometimes result in unexpected side effects and "national humiliation" as in the DK case.

              We have the right to respond as we want in the DK case, including re,moval of privileges of US expats and diplomats, but this continued feeling of aggrievement hurts us more than them. It is time we moved on. It is also time we stopped looking at DK as a hero.
              "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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              • Wait someone who gets the government of India to give her things like extra housing shes not supposed to have is not a hero?

                CBI to charge Devyani Khobragade, her father in Adarsh scam - The Times of India

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                • Originally posted by commander View Post
                  IIRC it only started very recently? If the government had been so sincere, with an economy that can cross out India's many times over why is the country still the biggest polluter of carbon than India then ? Gun Grape had argued about all other emissions but CO2 is the biggest contributor to greenhouse effect aka global warming.
                  what are you talking about now?

                  you wont answer the question posed to you, and your response is an attempt to change the argument.

                  so i'll ask again, where is the factual basis for your claims that it is U.S. POLICY to 'bully' other nations to be more responsible in regards to the climate and where is it U.S. policy to be less responsible?

                  do you have anything to support your claims?

                  and i'll give you a hint before you start again, it has nothing to do with volume or quantity so please do not even attempt to go there again.
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                  • Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                    So basically that puts to rubbish any claims of slavery or human trafficking as propagated through this thread.
                    Yes, and one other point...

                    It seems the US immigration is doing something similar to what there banks used to do: get mired in the sub-prime mortgage crisis that ultimately led to the housing debacle and the crash in the economy: unreasonable, irrational lending.

                    If the banks lent money to people who could not afford to buy a car, forget a mortgage, then the immigration is giving visas for maids to people who can barely manage to eke out a decent living in New York City at around $4,000 dollars a month salary. It helps that Khobragade lived in a house paid for by the government, and also got money to pay for school for her children. Otherwise she would not be able to survive financially in the city on the salary that she makes. Forget about having a maid.

                    According to the allegations against her, DK and her maid had agreed that Khobragade would pay INR 30,000 per month, which at the time was equivalent to $573.07. At 40 hours per week, with approximately 4.3 weeks in a month, $573.07 equates to a rate of $3.31 per hour. However, the complaint says, DK instructed her maid to say that she would be paid $9.75 per hour, and not to say anything about being paid INR 30,000 per month. DK also instructed the maid to say that she would work 40 hours per week, with duty hours being 7 a.m. to 12:30 p.m., and 6:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. DK itís alleged, told the maid that the amount of $4,500 per month was a US prerequisite to get a visa.

                    Now, as important as it is to ask who decided to process the maidís visa in India in the first place, given DKís salary, it is also important to ask as to where did this number of $4,500 come from?

                    The math (with calculators): $9.75 x 40 (hours of work per week) is equal to $390.
                    In a month with 4 weeks, DKís maid, Sangeeta Richard, would make $1,560.
                    In the five months of the year with five weeks, she would make $1,950.
                    A full time year (at 40 hours a week) is equal to 2,080 hours, which means the annual salary for her would be $20,280, almost one third of what the US government wanted DK to pay her maid Ė $54,000 annually.

                    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, a maid and housekeeper in the US earned an average median salary of $19,390 in 2011, or approximately $9.32 per hour. That year, there were 111, 600 individuals working such jobs in the country. In comparison, a restaurant cookís median salary is $22,080; a security guard makes $23, 900; a pre-school teacher made $26,620; a sports coach $28,470; Bookkeeping, Accounting, & Audit Clerks made $34,740, while a bus driver made 35,720, and a marriage and family therapistís median salary was $46,240, just a bit more than what DKís maid was supposed to be paid.

                    But then Sangeeta Richard was employed as a maid and housekeeper, her salary should be closer to $20,000.

                    Coming back to the point.
                    Can somebody please solve the mystery of why Sangeeta Richard, the maid of Devyani Khobragade, was to be paid $54,000 a year, and not $20,280?

                    Please correct me if this is an incorrect question.

                    Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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                    • Captain,

                      The complaint was that Richards worked far more hours than was agreed upon but received no extra moneys for it.

                      But be that as it may, it is well within US rights to be assholes in their own country.
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                      • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                        Son, BACK THE RIGHT OFF!

                        THE RUSSIANS WERE DIPLOMATS - BY LEGAL DEFINITIONS.

                        DK WAS A COUNCILOR - BY LEGLA DEFINITIONS!

                        PERIOD! DK WAS NOT A DIPLOMAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY! The US, the host country, HAS NEVER RECOGNIZED HER AS A DIPLOMAT! PERIOD!
                        Whoa.. I didn't ask anything wrong there did I? I was not being sarcastic either, was a bit surprised to know a case was running for so long against so many diplomats and was also surprised to know there were 49 diplomats were involved in this fraud. I only asked about the immunity she had enjoyed based on someone's post earlier about different immunity enjoyed. If that was civil case like they did with the EFI case would she have been arrested ?

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                        • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                          Ah...OK?

                          Antimony and yourself were debating the availability of the Prius in the United States, am I wrong?
                          No the technology behind prius and not prius itself. Then I kinda said he might be living in a very good neighbourhood that can afford these cars and this is where the price came to picture. Still a average US citizen can buy a prius but in India a car with such technologies are not cheaper or not practical at all.

                          Wait, how do you figure that?? [/QUOTE]

                          From Capt. LT post about how the maid was helped by the power centre's in the US state government. Why not a civil case ? why a criminal case. Why did they have to treat it as a human trafficking when the person involved in the matter was also aware of what she is getting into.

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                          • Originally posted by zraver View Post
                            Commander, its economy of scale. India will pay roughly the same price for solar or coal if she goes big and only one of them has significant down stream effects.
                            The cost will come down only after high number of panels are mass produced. Which needs either homegrown industries or to be imported from the US or China. Which again has to pass the environment concern hurdle. We are working on it and soon will be ready. The western countries had enough time and it's not fair to ask us to rapidly catch up to them within a short time with a lot of issues to solve first. THAT is what I was pointing out.

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                            • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                              This is not the first time that US law enforcement has confronted India about her maid servants. In fact, this is the 3rd time ... and India has not smartened up. India can only flaunt US law in her face for so long before the Americans react. Guess what? The Americans reacted.
                              We wouldn't have given a shit if the issue was treated how it was supposed to be tried. Some wise ass in the state department thought differently. That is the beginning of the whole issue. If you have issues with a country/it's officials you first raise it with them then if they still hasn't fixed it then start throwing the rule book. Was DK's superior even notified about her arrest beforehand ? What happens if we do the same to some of your counsellor or diplomat or anyone from the consulate? Without any warning we just throw their asses in the jail for what they are doing in India ?

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                              • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                                In fact, this thread is non sequitor! The Americans have every right to chose when and if to enforce her own laws. And India has absolutely ZERO say in the matter.

                                For fuck sakes, every country got the right to expell Ambassadors, who believes that countries don't got the right to arrest Councillors?
                                I will rest my case here because I honestly don't think we are getting anywhere. You have the rights , you follow it yourself first then flaunt it to others. What happened to the US consulate members indulging in murder and a lot of other things in other countries. You extradite your man immediately by twisting arms. I am over this topic. Thanks for arguing everyone for so long.

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