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    i wouldn't have believed it back in the day, but seeing ODS completely surpass BDS is quite an achievement.

    there was a WaPo article today about Bob Dole making the rounds in Kansas as he went for a "thank you tour". reading about Dole carrying on as the gentleman he is almost brought a tear to the eye.

    it's certainly not the same party of the first Bush and Bob Dole anymore.

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    Conservative tribalism: Conservatives hate anything Barack Obama and liberals like.

    Conservative Tribalism


    “Common Core,” the name for a set of national education standards, is the latest rallying cry for right-wing activists. Derided as “Obamacore,” it’s been attacked as a government attempt to usurp local curriculums and impose liberal values on conservative communities. Glenn Beck calls it a plot to turn children into “cogs” under a police state, and several Republican politicians have jumped on the bandwagon, denouncing the Obama administration for supporting the standards.

    If this is confusing to ordinary observers—there’s nothing totalitarian about guidelines for what students should know at the end of each grade—it’s bewildering for Common Core advocates, who just four years ago were a boring part of the American policy landscape. Common Core was a bipartisan initiative, with support from the vast majority of governors, including Louisiana’s Bobby Jindal, who has since reversed course as he preps for a potential 2016 presidential run.


    What happened to make Common Core an object of hate for conservative activists? The answer is easy: “The Republican revolt against the Common Core,” noted the New York Times on Saturday, “can be traced to President Obama’s embrace of it.”

    That’s it. In his 2012 State of the Union, Obama gave a few words of support for the standards. “For less than 1 percent of what our nation spends on education each year,” he said, “we’ve convinced nearly every state in the country to raise their standards for teaching and learning—the first time that’s happened in a generation.” With that, the right-wing outrage machine revved into action, with a grass-roots campaign that has percolated into mainstream politics. The same Sen. Lindsey Graham who recently sponsored a resolution criticizing Common Core wasn’t aware it existed when the issue was raised at a GOP meeting last year. But, given his current primary fight against four Tea Party challengers, a stand against Common Core was worth its weight in right-wing credibility.


    Of course, the Republican about-face on Common Core is only one of many such moves during the Obama presidency. An array of issues enjoyed GOP support until the president agreed with them, including payroll tax breaks for individuals, clean debt-ceiling increases, and immigration reform policies like the DREAM Act.


    This near-senseless reaction is just one part of a growing tribalism that’s consumed the whole of conservative politics. It doesn’t matter the issue: If liberals are for it, then—for a large portion of the right—that means it is time to be against it.


    Take light bulbs. In 2007, Congress approved—and President Bush signed—strict efficiency standards for incandescent light bulbs. The practical impact was to make 100-watt bulbs obsolete: an inconvenience, but not a huge imposition. In any case, the rule wouldn’t take effect for a few years, giving homes and businesses a chance to adjust.


    Industry groups grumbled, but there wasn’t any outrage. That changed in 2011, after a Tea Party–fueled Republican Party took the House of Representatives in a landslide victory over the Democratic Party. This coincided with the implementation of the efficiency standards, and the result was a caterwaul of right-wing rage.


    “From the health insurance you’re allowed to have, to the car you can drive, to the light bulbs you can buy, Washington is making too many decisions that are better left to you and your family,” declared Texas Rep. Joe Barton when he introduced a bill to reverse the guidelines.


    “Instead of a leaner, smarter government, we bought a bureaucracy that now tells us which light bulbs to buy and which may put 16,500 IRS agents in charge of policing President Obama’s health care bill,” said Rep. Michele Bachmann in her response to the president’s 2011 State of the Union address, slamming the light bulb change and the Affordable Care Act. Mitt Romney picked up the torch of outrage during his presidential campaign, attacking the government for banning “Thomas Edison’s light bulb.”


    None of this had anything to do with the merits of changing light bulbs, and everything to do with what it represented, namely, Obama and his liberal do-gooders. What’s more, as an energy conservation policy, the light bulb change was associated with climate change, which—to the conservative base—is nothing more than an elaborate hoax, pushed by dishonest scientists and funded by liberal billionaires like George Soros.


    ndeed, the same dynamic is at work in the world of solar energy, where conservatives—led by the Koch brothers and anti-tax activists—have launched ferocious attacks on states that favor green energy. In Kansas, for instance, the Koch-backed group Americans for Prosperity has led the effort to dismantle a green energy mandate, which requires the state to obtain 20 percent of its energy from renewable sources. As the Los Angeles Times reports, conservative activists are comparing the energy mandate to the individual mandate in Obamacare.


    Obviously, there are material interests at work here. The Koch brothers are oil magnates with a financial stake in stopping the spread of solar technology, which is cheaper and more effective than it’s ever been. At the same time, there’s nothing especially political about solar energy; it’s an issue with wide appeal to a variety of different groups and interests. If you want clean air, you can support solar. If you want to reduce our dependence on foreign oil—a rallying cry of presidential candidates on both sides—you can support solar, too.


    But solar is also a tool in the fight against global warming, and to conservative conspiracy-mongers, that’s enough to condemn it as a step on the road to serfdom, hence claims from Fox News that the Bureau of Land Management is going after rancher Cliven Bundy to make space for a solar energy project. Totalitarianism on the march! Or something.

    This tribalism is easy to mock, but it has real consequences for our ability to solve problems or do anything constructive, and not just on a national scale. In Nashville, Tenn., local officials wanted to lay the groundwork for a high-speed bus project that would connect neighboring areas and reduce the pressure on roads and existing buses. The $174 million proposal, called “The Amp,” would cut commute times for Nashville residents and had support from business groups and transit advocates. But last week, after sustained activism from the state branch of Americans for Prosperity, the Tennessee Senate passed a bill that—if approved—would kill the project and “prohibit metropolitan governments and any transit authorities created by a metropolitan government” from constructing a bus rapid transit system.

    Treat this as a technocratic dispute, and it doesn’t make any sense. If state lawmakers had a problem with The Amp, they could ask local officials to re-evaluate the proposal and look for ways to reduce costs and improve safety. It goes beyond overkill to block the project and preclude Nashville from considering mass transit.


    But if you treat this as a local front in an unending, all-encompassing culture war, then it’s easy to understand. To the right-wing, mass transit is just another liberal attempt to force Americans into a kind of brutalist conformity. “So why is America’s ‘win the future’ administration so fixated on railroads,” wrote conservative commentator George Will in an attack on Obama’s push for new transit infrastructure. “Because progressivism’s aim is the modification of (other people’s) behavior.” Tennessee lawmakers weren’t crippling Nashville’s attempt to manage its future growth, it was defending its residents from the creeping socialism of public transit.


    At this point, the tribalist hysteria of the conservative movement is a fixture of American politics, and there’s a good chance it gets worse before it gets better. Not only is 2014 an election year, but it’s followed by the official start of the Republican presidential primary, and then—in 2016—a full-fledged presidential contest.


    For the next three years, Republican politicians will be fighting to win support from a conservative base that’s rabid for red meat. And if there’s an easy path to the prize, it’s to find something a liberal likes, and denounce it.
    Last edited by astralis; 23 Apr 14,, 17:19.
    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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    Well stated....and this is going to make the next 3 years painful on to the intellect.

    And as for more and more rights belongign at the local level per conservatives?

    How do you reconcile the state legislature tellking Nashville what to do?

    And look at the following story....

    Georgia Bill Loosens Restrictions On Guns In Public Places : NPR

    A state legislature causing a local government to pay additional funds in order to operate.
    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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    • #3
      that's the irony of much of this. Common Core was, and is, a state-led project, NOT federal-led.

      the ACA, too, is built upon state exchanges. when conservative governors choose to hamper this process, the result is that people get pushed onto the federal exchange...

      in the end much of this has to do with massive internal disarray within the GOP. you name the subject, and there will be multiple, extremely angry sides-- and not always "establishment" vs "tea party". see immigration and tax reform, in particular.

      the backlash presenting a specific plan then causes scares off the politicians, so the safe thing to do is just bang the drum on what the party DOESN'T like-- anything that comes out of Obama's mouth-- rather than try to find (even intra-party!) compromise on what it is they DO like.

      it'll be interesting to see how this plays out in 2016. if it doesn't change we'll probably see President Hillary Clinton, and that'll certainly leave the Tea Party types frothing at the mouth like they did for Obama. little chance, then, that we'll see the placid GOP of old come back.
      Last edited by astralis; 23 Apr 14,, 20:28.
      There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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      • #4
        It reminds me many ways of the Democrats through the 1940s-1950s (rise of the Dixiecrats...who are lineal forebears of much of the Tea Party and Southern Republican views of today).

        It is an interesting time for politicians.

        On a side note did you see that Larry Sabato was stepping away from much of his workload at UVA...
        “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
        Mark Twain

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        • #5
          The old, respected and respectable GOP needs to bite the bullet and purge itself of its hard right wing. The Democrats did it, repeatedly, and paid the price before reaping the rewards. The first time was in the late 1940s-1960s, when the Southern bigots were told to take a hike. Strom Thurmond walked out of the 1948 Democratic National Convention in protest at civil rights language inserted into the party platform, and LBJ famously noted that the South would be lost to the Democrats "for a generation" (what an optimist!) after he signed civil rights legislation.

          Next, in the 1970s-1980s, the left had to go, culminating in the Dukakis presidential campaign fiasco.

          Time for what's left of the GOP to take a stand.
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          • #6
            DOR, The only ones who are going to get purged are the old guard. The Tea Party/Libertarian part of the party is in ascendancy. For too long the professional politicians have only paid lip service to conservative values during election time and then legislated like a liberal or a corporate crony. Romney isn't president becuase the old guard betrayed people like me and we stayed home. Watch us take the senate in a couple of months.

            Asty, opposing common core is not opposing Obama, its opposing a suicide pact... have you looked at common core math techniques? Or what it teaches about the bill of rights? Its a disaster that will dumb down, not smarten up our kids.

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            • #7
              Mmm, I see your point clearly, Asty

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              • #8
                Simply put, what do you folks think are the chances of a more than two party political system? I'm not talking about Tea Party within the GOP, I'm talking about Libertarians gaining power, or even some unaffiliated group. The problem with a two party system is that you are forced into a "black or white" system, where you're either for everything or against everything. Even the slightest deviation has you branded as a RINO or whatever else you want to call it nowadays. Adding more parties increases the options for politicians, which increases options for the people.

                Not only that, but adding more parties means that it will be much harder to reach a tyranny of the majority, and governments in general will as a general rule reach closer to the center rather than swinging to the extremes each time there is a regime change and one party comes into power instead of the other party.
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                • #9
                  Right now there are still too many voters clinging to their chosen party. Another variable is that now the 1% can now directly buy sell and trade politicians like a commodity. The power of the vote is dwindling fast.
                  Removing a single turd from the cesspool doesn't make any difference.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bigross86 View Post
                    Simply put, what do you folks think are the chances of a more than two party political system? I'm not talking about Tea Party within the GOP, I'm talking about Libertarians gaining power, or even some unaffiliated group. The problem with a two party system is that you are forced into a "black or white" system, where you're either for everything or against everything. Even the slightest deviation has you branded as a RINO or whatever else you want to call it nowadays. Adding more parties increases the options for politicians, which increases options for the people.

                    Not only that, but adding more parties means that it will be much harder to reach a tyranny of the majority, and governments in general will as a general rule reach closer to the center rather than swinging to the extremes each time there is a regime change and one party comes into power instead of the other party.
                    Not under the current electoral system. Having a powerful President, physical constituencies and 2 senators per state for Congress makes it incredibly hard for any third party to get a toehold at national level. Even at state level third parties have trouble. Electoral success is limited either in scope, persistence or both. There are a whole lot of other issues, but when it comes to third parties that is the killer.

                    I'll make a comparison with Australia. We have a similar system minus the President. We have physical constituencies for the lower house - where government is formed; and a senate where each state elects the same number of senators. In our case, however, it is 12 per state rather than 2. Since the 1940s no new party has managed to gain any lengthy presence in the lower house. There have been some independents & occasional candidates from minor parties. The independents have sometimes had lengthy careers, but the party candidates rarely last more than a few terms We are effectively stuck in a 2 party system. Technically we have 3 parties, but the two anti-Labor parties have been in perma-coalition since the 40s & have even merged in places.

                    In the senate, on the other hand, independents & candidates from a variety of parties have made inroads & have held the balance of power for much (though not all) of the past 40 years. That is simply because having 6 senators per state elected at each election (and sometimes 12 - too long a story to explain) means that the percentage of the vote you need to get in opens up the system to minor parties.

                    The problem the US has is that the system isn't going to change in a fundamental way. The practicalities prevent it. You would need broad support behind a series of amendments. What chances do you think any campaign to fundamentally change the vision of the 'Founding Fathers' when it comes to the process of governing the nation would have? Just think how hard it would be to get rid of the largely irrelevant Electoral College & then times that by.....a lot. No side of US politics either trusts the other enough & none is going to try to take an axe to the electoral system without the support of the other. Of course, if both parties agreed to do this it wouldn't be that hard for disaffected groups to whip up a 'they're both trying to screw you' campaign & scupper the whole process.

                    One of the major parties could definitely split, but my bet is that the less popular part of that split would die within a generation or less.

                    Of course, I could be wrong....
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                    • #11
                      z,

                      DOR, The only ones who are going to get purged are the old guard. The Tea Party/Libertarian part of the party is in ascendancy.
                      more accurately, for the most part the latter acts as a virus on the pragmatists (NOT moderates; there are no more moderates).

                      when it comes to standing alone the Tea Party tends to get hammered, if not by the establishment fighting back, then in the general election.

                      but they ARE shifting the party to the right as politicians make deals with the devil during the primaries.

                      Romney isn't president becuase the old guard betrayed people like me and we stayed home.
                      lol, Romney's problem was not that he couldn't get out the rockribbed conservatives, it was because he lost far more heavily among minorities/independents/women.

                      that's why the post-mortem GOP, for a brief time, talked about immigration reform and coming up (several years late) with an alternative to the ACA, etc.

                      Watch us take the senate in a couple of months.
                      it's always different with Congress than it is with the Presidency, as the composition of voters is significantly different (read: older, whiter). if Mr/Ms Tea Party wins the Presidency then i'll believe in the TP ascendancy. for the time being, i foresee the Republicans taking a few more seats in the House, MAYBE a small majority in the senate...and getting walloped in the 2016 Presidential election.

                      Asty, opposing common core is not opposing Obama, its opposing a suicide pact... have you looked at common core math techniques? Or what it teaches about the bill of rights? Its a disaster that will dumb down, not smarten up our kids.
                      Common Core isn't about techniques , or "how to get there". it's about the end-result, the standards voluntarly adopted by states. emphasis mine in the following.

                      Myths vs. Facts | Common Core State Standards Initiative

                      Myth: The standards tell teachers what to teach.

                      Fact: Teachers know best about what works in the classroom. That is why these standards establish what students need to learn but do not dictate how teachers should teach. Instead, schools and teachers will decide how best to help students reach the standards.
                      Myth: These standards amount to a national curriculum for our schools.

                      Fact: The Common Core is not a curriculum. It is a clear set of shared goals and expectations for what knowledge and skills will help our students succeed. Local teachers, principals, superintendents, and others will decide how the standards are to be met. Teachers will continue to devise lesson plans and tailor instruction to the individual needs of the students in their classrooms.
                      There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                      • #12
                        BR,

                        Simply put, what do you folks think are the chances of a more than two party political system? I'm not talking about Tea Party within the GOP, I'm talking about Libertarians gaining power, or even some unaffiliated group. The problem with a two party system is that you are forced into a "black or white" system, where you're either for everything or against everything. Even the slightest deviation has you branded as a RINO or whatever else you want to call it nowadays. Adding more parties increases the options for politicians, which increases options for the people.
                        as BF said, not going to happen given the way the system is set up.

                        moreover just because there's a two party system doesn't mean what's going on in the US currently HAS to happen. in the modern context, there was plenty of give and take from the period of 1950-1995.

                        the main issue here leads back again to gerrymandering, which is not only bad in terms of writing off voters and protecting incumbents, but also horrible because the competition shifts to who can mobilize the most in a like-minded set of people. this leads to inflammatory rhetoric-- best way to get people out is to tell them everything they love and hold dear is under threat.

                        Not only that, but adding more parties means that it will be much harder to reach a tyranny of the majority, and governments in general will as a general rule reach closer to the center rather than swinging to the extremes each time there is a regime change and one party comes into power instead of the other party.
                        frankly i think a multi-party PR system is an invitation to paralysis as well (see italy), with coalitions constantly forming and dissolving. minority parties get an outsized voice as tie-breakers.

                        the US would resolve a significant number of political problems if it emulated its northern neighbor and had re-districting be given to a non-partisan commission vice the politicians themselves.
                        There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                        • #13
                          Personally, I think that any government that has between 4-6 parties should be able to provide you with the variety you need to find a party that better suits you on the subjects important to you, while at the same time being stable enough to get through any coalition issues.

                          I know that in Israel we currently have 21 parties, and good luck getting anything really important done, as both sides will immediately call for new elections if the PM starts acting up.
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                          • #14
                            BR,

                            I know that in Israel we currently have 21 parties, and good luck getting anything really important done, as both sides will immediately call for new elections if the PM starts acting up.
                            precisely. it's a miracle Netanyahu gets anything done because he's so dependent on keeping his coalition intact. moreover it badly weakens his ability to negotiate as an unitary player on the international field, because one daring move might precipitate his political collapse.

                            it's bad enough with a two-party system there; look at the difficulty the US President faces whenever a free-trade pact comes up.
                            There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                            • #15
                              DOR,

                              The old, respected and respectable GOP needs to bite the bullet and purge itself of its hard right wing
                              i used to hope for this, but i don't think it'll ever happen absent significant political reform.

                              the Dixiecrats were cut off precisely because they were seen as a seperate entity from the other Dems-- far more socially conservative, and the only reason why they had a D next to their name was because they sure as hell weren't going to be a part of the Party of Lincoln (until the Party of Lincoln embraced the devil and went to them).

                              moreover there was a political trade-off involved; while the Republicans now had free reign of the old Southern racists, the Dems could now appeal to the growing minority population.

                              as JAD pointed out earlier, the biggest factions now are super-conservatives who Want Everything Now (whatever that is; sometimes they themselves don't know what Everything means) vs super-conservatives who can deal. there's no political incentive to be moderate, which is different from being pragmatic.
                              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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