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Originally posted by winton View PostThe fact that PAP has been in power for so long lends its detractors the idea that its a one party state. Thats totally understandable. This couldn't be further than the truth though. There are opposition parties. Just not good ones.
We don't have Guantanamo. We have free and fair elections. The best party get elected for the job. The job gets done. Everyone's happy (mostly everyone).
I understand rhetoric, I understand outcomes. You make it sound like the US system is difficult to master.
I've been paying close attention to the place for 35 years & actively studying it for over 25 (up to PhD level). I have close friends & family who live there or have lived there for most of their adult lives and I have spent close to a decade interacting almost daily with Americans online & debating the politics of their nation. I still don't claim to have 'mastered' all the details of the system. I guess I have the disadvantage of knowing enough to have an idea how much I don't know.
Whenever I read one of your posts the phrase 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing' keeps leaping to mind.sigpic
Win nervously lose tragically - Reds C C
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostPulled out as before any of this happened.
Saying going to the authorities is not a warning sign to get out?
Weapons were not loaded and no rounds were chambered. No magazine in place. I wasn't that stupid.[/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Triple C View PostNo, you absolutely don't understand the practice of politics and law in the west in general and the U.S. in particular. You are projecting how things work in China to how things work in New York City. Tell me, exactly, what "pull" does Kerry have on Preet Bharhara. Who is he going to call. What he can do.
My guess is that Preet might be offered some political support for any future run, or posting somewhere higher up to drop the case. I mean use your imagination. This is politics.
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostCome on seriously. If a lawyer comes to the embassy and threatens action every time, pretty soon there would be nobody running the embassy and the embassy would be totally at the mercy of the lawyers. Be serious for a change. Khobrogade did consider the words by firing her and reported to GoI about the absconding personnel.
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostDoesn't matter. The other person doesn't know that and has no choice but to presume to think it was loaded and you were ready to use it.
Again, I was fully prepared to face the consequences. Don't know what it was at the time but I was not expecting to get away scott free.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostThese were military personnel who should, and I do emphasized should, recognize weapons protocols. No one aimed a weapon at anyone. The weapons were always on safe and the barrels aimed at no one. No magazine was inserted. We were just holding our weapons. We were just returning from an exercise while I dropped in to ask for our passports back.
Again, I was fully prepared to face the consequences. Don't know what it was at the time but I was not expecting to get away scott free.
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostAnd OJ Simpson just wanted to get his stuff back.
Originally posted by Blademaster View PostYou didn't have immunity and you knew that your country was not gonna allow Saudis to arrest you and prosecute you.
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostAnd OJ Simpson just wanted to get his stuff back.
You didn't have immunity and you knew that your country was not gonna allow Saudis to arrest you and prosecute you. That is not the same thing as DK episode.No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Originally posted by winton View PostFirst of all, I'm not projecting anything.
My guess is that Preet might be offered some political support for any future run, or posting somewhere higher up to drop the case. I mean use your imagination. This is politics.
The more I read this, the more I doubt you understand what is separation of powers, a genuine opposition party, and fair and open elections.
Imagination runs wild without knowledge.Last edited by Triple C; 19 Dec 13,, 16:37.All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
-Talmud Kohelet Rabbah, 7:16.
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This is possibly already posted somewhere along this thread but just wanted to post it again to let fellow wabbers that India in no way had exposed the US diplomats to a security risk , but all the retaliation is only stripping of the extra privileges that has been given to them all these days,
Now No Special Treatment to US Diplomats at Airports
US diplomats and their families in India will not be able to avail special treatment at airports from tonight when the deadline expires for surrendering their special passes, as part of government's retaliatory action against the treatment meted out to diplomat Devyani Khobragade in New York.
India on Tuesday had taken a slew of retaliatory steps to strip US diplomats and their families of privileges including withdrawing all airport passes and stopping import clearances for the US embassy, strongly denouncing the arrest and strip searching of Khobragade, India's Deputy Consul General in New York.
The government had asked the US Consular diplomats and their families to surrender airports passes by tonight.
The Government had also asked the US Embassy to provide a list of all Indian nationals working with its Consulates, including domestic servants, by December 23.
The government has also sought copies of their contracts, bank accounts, salaries and PAN numbers.
It has also stopped all import clearances including for liquor for the US embassy. The traffic barricades near the US embassy on Nyaya Marg here were also removed.
39-year-old Khobragade, a 1999-batch IFS officer posted as Deputy Consul General in New York, was taken into custody last week on visa fraud charges as she was dropping her daughter to school before being released on a USD 250,000 bond after pleading not guilty in court.
Khobragade was put through both strip and cavity searches, procedures normally used for criminals, evoking a sharp reaction from India.
She was yesterday transferred to India's Permanent Mission to UN to give her fuller diplomatic immunity.
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This is getting out of hands now , the chief justice of India has also commented and I just hope this doesn't end with both Judicial systems locking horns
Diplomat row: Protests held at Hyderabad, Kolkata | Deccan Chronicle
In Hyderabad, Left workers and other activists held a protest outside the US Consulate at Begumpet. The protesters, under the banner of All India Peace and Solidarity Organisation (AIPSO), raised slogans against the US administration. They held placards accusing US of being a racist country. Police removed the protesters from the place.
With India locked in a face-off with the US over the treatment meted out to Khobragade, Chief Justice of India P. Sathasivam also spoke disapprovingly of the action by American law enforcement agencies.
It was upto the government to decide on what steps should be taken, "but as an individual, it should not happen to our high officials," he told reporters in Chennai.Last edited by commander; 19 Dec 13,, 16:38.
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commander,
Pari posted a link to Indian media posted before all this drama where it is said barricades are posted for security reasons.
Yeah, I am lazy to find it, too.No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Originally posted by YellowFever View PostAn Indian "official" in the US faces US justice system unless the "official" is someone with diplomatic immunity.
she did not have diplomatic immunity.
Stop playing with words.
Originally posted by YellowFever View PostGood for you. Put the US officials that broke your laws through your justice system. Strip search them if you have to.
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The government had asked the US Consular diplomats and their families to surrender airports passes by tonight.
The Government had also asked the US Embassy to provide a list of all Indian nationals working with its Consulates, including domestic servants, by December 23.
The government has also sought copies of their contracts, bank accounts, salaries and PAN numbers.
Originally posted by YellowFever View PostBut that's OK because the US is good with James Bond style tactics.
like thieves at night...
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