Indian diplomat arrested in NYC

[Officer of Engineers]

You're not seeing the cultural angle I'm trying to put forward.

Diplomats are a UN legal described position. Culture has nothing to do with it. It is what countries sign that does matter. In this case, this specific diplomat signed a VISA she clearly had no intentions of obeying.

A diplomat is a guest, not a soldier.

Military Attaches.

If a diplomat commits murder, it is not a guest in the first place.

But Diplomatic Immunity stands.

[zraver]

The issue is cultural as a foreign diplomat is considered a guest in another country who should not be humiliated.

But citizens of that country should be brought over to serve as virtual slaves.

Handcuffing one(specially, a women) and putting them under police custody is taking it to another level.

As opposed to lying to the to trick them in to working full time for free with no way to get justice?

Women are not sent to warzones in the first place.

Not war zones, just sweat shops...

A diplomat is a guest, not a soldier. If a diplomat commits murder, it is not a guest in the first place.

As far as anyone can tell she is not a diplomat but a consular official. BIG difference. Consular officials can be prosecuted by host countries for felony convictions. It really looks like she broke the law and engaged in what amounts to human trafficking for personal gain- domestic slavery. If that is what happened I hope they throw the book at her for trying to enslave an immigrant in the shadow of the Statue of Liberty.

I wonder what caste the servant was from. I bet if she had been a higher caste there would be a lot less blaming the victim going on.

She already has the rights of a diplomat. The US just let india know(in action) what it really thinks about these rights.

No one has offered up any evidence that she was an accredited diplomat or member of the technical staff or family of such diplomats and thus entitled to immunity.

[Blademaster]

A foreign diplomat should also not abuse the laws of her host country.

The US is saying that her laws trumps on her home ground.

And US has conveniently used diplomatic immunity to get around that argument by foreign countries when its diplomats broke the laws. This is the hypocrisy I am talking about. Remember that CIA operative who killed two people in Pakistan? US government were quick to claim diplomatic immunity and were applying pressure at all levels to get him back.

[Blademaster]

Diplomats are a UN legal described position. Culture has nothing to do with it. It is what countries sign that does matter. In this case, this specific diplomat signed a VISA she clearly had no intentions of obeying.

Ok let start documenting the daily activities of the Canadian diplomats in America and India and see what they have been up to and throw the book at them. According to your definition, by signing the entry agreement or credentials they agreed to abide by the laws of the country they work in. So by breaking a law in the country they work in, they signed a paper that they had no intentions of obeying.

A very flimsy argument but that is what your argument boils down to.

[Officer of Engineers]

So by breaking a law in the country they work in, they signed a paper that they had no intentions of obeying.

Not only do I expect it. I demand it. It was drummed into me that when wearing the uniform in a foreign country, you are in fact representing your country ... and anything you do, including a drunken brawl reflects on your country. If you are caught, you will be punished ... even if it's only by the regiment. I expect the same of the civilian foreign office.

[Officer of Engineers]

And US has conveniently used diplomatic immunity to get around that argument by foreign countries when its diplomats broke the laws. This is the hypocrisy I am talking about. Remember that CIA operative who killed two people in Pakistan? US government were quick to claim diplomatic immunity and were applying pressure at all levels to get him back.

As done by all governments. There were incidents with US Marines in Ottawa which now have Secret Service guards instead of Marines. There was a Soviet drunk driver who killed two people in Ottawa, he was called back without seeing Canadian justice ... but saw Soviet justice instead.

[Blademaster]

As done by all governments. There were incidents with US Marines in Ottawa which now have Secret Service guards instead of Marines. There was a Soviet drunk driver who killed two people in Ottawa, he was called back without seeing Canadian justice ... but saw Soviet justice instead.

Did they ever post bonds?

[Officer of Engineers]

Did they ever post bonds?

No.

[Blademaster]

As done by all governments. There were incidents with US Marines in Ottawa which now have Secret Service guards instead of Marines. There was a Soviet drunk driver who killed two people in Ottawa, he was called back without seeing Canadian justice ... but saw Soviet justice instead.

The CIA contractor never saw any kind of justice.

[Blademaster]

No.

Well in this case, the Indian diplomat had to. $250,000. Fine, India should start demanding bonds of $1 million dollars each person and it can't be from an Indian bank but from a US bank or the US treasury.

[Officer of Engineers]

The CIA contractor never saw any kind of justice.

If you want to see abuse, here

Diplomatic immunity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Officer of Engineers]

Well in this case, the Indian diplomat had to. $250,000. Fine, India should start demanding bonds of $1 million dollars each person and it can't be from an Indian bank but from a US bank or the US treasury.

Being a diplomat does not make you immune to your country's laws. If an American diplomat committed a crime in India, India has the right to request extradition.

[Blademaster]

If you want to see abuse, here

Diplomatic immunity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A couple glaring examples from the link you posted:

In July 2013, Joshua Walde, an American diplomat in Nairobi, Kenya, crashed into a mini-bus killing a father of three, and seriously injuring eight others.[48] United States embassy officials took the diplomat and his family out of Kenya the following day.[48] The other crash victims were left with no financial assistance to pay for hospital bills. The widow of the victim has not been contacted by the driver or embassy officials. The United States government is concerned about the impact the accident could have on bilateral relations with Kenya.[48] Walde was an information management officer at the United States embassy in Nairobi at the time of the crash.[48] Walde gave a statement to police, but was not detained due to his diplomatic immunity.[48] Kenyan police say the case remains under investigation

In the late evening of 10 April 2011, in Islamabad, Pakistan, Patrick Kibuta, an electrical engineer in the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan caused a serious collision with another vehicle, while under the influence of alcohol. According to the police report, Mr. Kibuta, who was driving in the opposing lane, collided with a vehicle driven by a Canadian citizen residing in Islamabad. The victim suffered multiple fractures and required urgent surgery for her injuries. The accident occurred in the F6/1 section of Islamabad, and the Kohsar police impounded Mr. Kibuta's U.N. vehicle on the scene. A lab draw at a nearby hospital confirmed that he had an elevated blood alcohol level. Currently, charges for reckless and drunken driving have been filed against Mr. Kibuta; and an official investigation is pending to determine what, if any, legal recourse may be taken against Mr. Kibuta, who enjoys diplomatic immunity.

On 27 October 1998, in Vladivostok, Russia, Douglas Kent, the American Consul General to Russia, was involved in a car accident that left a young man, Alexander Kashin, disabled. Kent was not prosecuted in a U.S. court. Under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of 1963, diplomatic immunity does not apply to civil actions relating to vehicular accidents. However, on 10 August 2006, a U.S. Court of Appeals ruled that, since he was using his own vehicle for consular purposes, Kent may not be sued civilly

[Blademaster]

Being a diplomat does not make you immune to your country's laws. If an American diplomat committed a crime in India, India has the right to request extradition.

And from that link you just gave, did America ever grant that request? Not by a long shot. So I don't give much credence to the American argument that her laws trump on her grounds when by her actions, she has proven otherwise as she has undertaken every opportunity to circumvent the laws of the other countries and denied extradition.

American justice is "Do as I say, not do as I do."

[Officer of Engineers]

And from that link you just gave, did America ever grant that request?

Pakistan did not request extradition.