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  • Originally posted by anil View Post
    If the US wants to play this game then it is they who stand to loose all or most.
    How do you figure that?
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    • Originally posted by Tronic View Post
      No, just thieves.

      She certainly doesn't come from an affluent family background. It is evident that her father used his position to allot her prime property, meant for war veterans and defence services, at dirt rate prices so she could sell it later at much higher prime rates. And this we know only because the Adarsh scam became national news. I wonder what other dubious means they used to acquire their black wealth. A family of lying, habituated corrupt thieves.
      Tronic, it is obvious that she committed the crime and if she was just a regular wealthy Indian woman in the US who had done this, we wouldn't be having an argument. But she is a Deputy Consul General, and there are protocols to be followed. Protocols that the US expects other countries to follow with their errant diplomats. Some have gotten away with manslaughter.

      In July 2013, Joshua Walde, an American diplomat in Nairobi, Kenya, crashed into a mini-bus killing a father of three, and seriously injuring eight others.[48] United States embassy officials took the diplomat and his family out of Kenya the following day.[48] The other crash victims were left with no financial assistance to pay for hospital bills. The widow of the victim has not been contacted by the driver or embassy officials. The United States government is concerned about the impact the accident could have on bilateral relations with Kenya.[48] Walde was an information management officer at the United States embassy in Nairobi at the time of the crash.[48] Walde gave a statement to police, but was not detained due to his diplomatic immunity


      On 3 December 2004, in Bucharest, Romania, Christopher Van Goethem, an American Marine serving his embassy, disregarded a traffic signal to stop, collided with a taxi, and killed the popular Romanian musician Teo Peter.[19] Van Goethem's blood alcohol content was estimated at 0.09% from a breathalyser test, but he refused to give a blood sample for further testing and left for Germany before charges could be filed in Romania.[20] The Romanian government requested the American government to lift his immunity, which it has refused to do. In a court-martial, he was acquitted of manslaughter and adultery (which is still a court martial offence) but was convicted of obstruction of justice and making false statements


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      Last edited by Firestorm; 17 Dec 13,, 13:02.

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      • Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
        How do you figure that?
        On culture

        To give you an example, find me a US official in india who actually speaks the local language or dresses in local garments.

        If a culture is homogeneous. it will be terrified by diversity. It will force cultures to comply.
        If a culture is not homogeneous, it can cross the bridge.
        Last edited by anil; 17 Dec 13,, 13:07.

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        • Originally posted by anil View Post
          On culture

          To give you an example, find me a US official in india who actually speaks the local language or dresses in local garments.
          What has that got to do with anything?

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          • Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
            What has that got to do with anything? .
            It means they cannot cross the bridge. They will find it it extremely difficult to comply with other cultures.

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            • Originally posted by anil View Post
              On culture

              To give you an example, find me a US official in india who actually speaks the local language or dresses in local garments.

              If a culture is homogeneous. it will be terrified by diversity. It will force cultures to comply.
              If a culture is not homogeneous, it can cross the bridge.
              Not only do I have no idea what you are talking about (if you think US culture is homogeneous you need to get out more), but I don't remotely see how it relates to the US having 'more to lose'.

              Additionally, if you are saying that not a single US diplomat or member of the consular staff speaks Hindi I'd like to see some proof. Still not relevant, however.
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              • Originally posted by lemontree View Post
                No sir, he is only arguing that a senior Indian diplomat should not be handcuffed like a common criminal. If US laws have been violated then the same can be addressed in a manner that is becoming of consular/embassy staff. Please throw the rule book at her, by all means.
                Captain, a quick google of diplomats being arrested in the past showed that this is normal practice regardless of which country is involved. Qatar, Pakistan, and the Netherlands.

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                • Originally posted by anil View Post
                  Since the US embassy is considered US soil, it expects that all indian workers have been paid as per US labour laws. {basically, this would probably incriminate every US official in india}
                  No, this is a grey area. Those areas under diplomatic immunity, ie the Embassy and the Ambassador's Residences are outside the jurisdiction of the hosting countries. Murder and domestic abuse has happened and the hosting countries could not arrest the diplomats.

                  However, the home of the DCS is not diplomatic residence. It is the host country's territory. India's Laws apply to Councilors in India.

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                  • I think he meant it would be interesting to see if US authorities will do investigation. Since it US soil, US laws apply...

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                    • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                      No, this is a grey area. Those areas under diplomatic immunity, ie the Embassy and the Ambassador's Residences are outside the jurisdiction of the hosting countries. Murder and domestic abuse has happened and the hosting countries could not arrest the diplomats.

                      However, the home of the DCS is not diplomatic residence. It is the host country's territory. India's Laws apply to Councilors in India.
                      Easy enough. Due to the law of repricocity, India can start demanding US diplomats pay all servants to this standard. If US demand Indian diplomats pay maids at $4500 fine, India can start demanding diplomats pay maids in this amount and more.

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                      • Originally posted by Minskaya View Post
                        It seems to me that State was sending some sort of message. The consular employee was merely the bottle.

                        At this stage, I think knee-jerk reactions from India are unwise and counter-productive.
                        No it is a counter-message back to the US. Called tit for tat.

                        Although removing the barricades is not a good idea unless it can be shown that there are no barricades around the Indian embassy in Washington and they refuse to permit barricades. If that is the case, then remove the barricades by all means.

                        Reciprocity demands such actions.

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                        • Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
                          I have no idea what you are talking about
                          The US is enforcing her terms, India is enforcing hers. The culture difference is too much.

                          Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          Those areas under diplomatic immunity
                          Not anymore. It has become fair game now.

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                          • Originally posted by anil View Post
                            The US is enforcing her terms, India is enforcing hers. The culture difference is too much.
                            You are not making the slightest bit of sense & you have still not explained how the US has 'more to lose'. You have also not offered the slightest bit of proof that none of the US diplomatic or consular staff speak any Indian languages. I'm afraid there is an awful lot of rambling, chest beating & other nonsense on this thread & not much by way of reasoned argument.
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                            • Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                              Easy enough. Due to the law of repricocity, India can start demanding US diplomats pay all servants to this standard. If US demand Indian diplomats pay maids at $4500 fine, India can start demanding diplomats pay maids in this amount and more.
                              Fine. Get it through Parliment. And it will not be for Americans alone, you have to apply the same standards to Iran, China, Russia, Japan, the EU, Bangladesh, and Pakistan.

                              Originally posted by anil View Post
                              Not anymore. It has become fair game now.
                              Still is. Until India orders the Embassies closed, she cannot say what is and what is not Diplomatic Territory.
                              Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 17 Dec 13,, 15:18.

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                              • Apparently, India had gone out of its way to provide a spousal visa to a gay US diplomat's partner despite gay marriages being invalid in India. They had shifted out the IFS officer who denied the Visa because it was against the rules.

                                IFS officer denies visa to spouse of gay American diplomat, moved out

                                Such special considerations are on their way out now..

                                India downgrades privileges of US diplomats

                                If the US is still not contrite and refuses to arrive at ‘creative solutions’, the government might closely examine whether American diplomats are adhering to the spirit of each Indian law. As a senior Indian diplomat told The Hindu, “If you monetise the facilities we give to our home-workers, it adds to a decent sum. There is absolutely no hint of exploitation.’’

                                The US should accommodate that aspect, otherwise “We also know who all have brought in their gay partners and on what grounds they were given visas though there is a law against it in India. We can’t talk about it because this law is controversial and outdated but if the US wants to go to this extent, then this law and several other options are there,’’ said the officials.

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