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[Officer of Engineers]

I am using OOE's logic against him. Of course George Bush was right in not going against Russia over Georgia the same way that Obama was correct in not going to war over Syria, Iran or North Korea. I am using a counterexample.

Your counterexample is flawed. In the Georgian War, only one army was ready for war in the entire Western hemisphere, the Russian 58th and even they did not have a full compliment.

We did not come to the rescue of troubles of Georgia's own making. The American debacle in Syria is all Obama's.

Your position on Iran is well known. You prefer Iran to have the nuke.

And the Korean peninsula is not an American choice.

[JAD_333]

Wow...how did we go from Obamacare to Korea. The misdirectionists are at work.

[JAD_333]

A nudge here and nudge there, and maybe we will find out how Obama got his facts wrong and whether he can fix whatever it is that is not in sync with his ACA pre-passage pitch.

[Blademaster]

Your counterexample is flawed. In the Georgian War, only one army was ready for war in the entire Western hemisphere, the Russian 58th and even they did not have a full compliment.

We did not come to the rescue of troubles of Georgia's own making. The American debacle in Syria is all Obama's.

How was it a debacle? No the counterexample is not flawed. It shows the limits of the power and ability of US to influence the actions on the ground in Georgia just like in Syria.

Your position on Iran is well known. You prefer Iran to have the nuke.

I did not say that. You are putting words into my mouth.

And the Korean peninsula is not an American choice.

Neither was Syria but we are stuck with the way it is. You seems to think that everything bad happening is Obama's choice and debacle and while the previous administrations, you attribute it to other sources. You don't give Obama the same pass that you give Bush and others.

[Blademaster]

Have I? You do know there is a difference between the REPUBLIC OF CHINA and THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.

The latest events and the intent of certain political events have pretty much made the difference in name and style of governing. You have stated in the past that Taiwan had pretty much declared itself as the heir to China and claims all the way to the borders of Tibet.

The Taiwan Relations Act states the US is committed to the defence of Taiwan and if taken at face value, that means the territorial integrity of Taiwan and that includes the Daiyou.

And USA has repeatedly told Taiwan not to declare dependence or open any embassies any where in the world. What does that tell you?

The Japanese needs no help against the PLAN on the Daiyou issue. The only military challenge comes from the RoCN.

Not militarily but politically against China.

You're reaching. The Taiwanese ain't giving up Matsu and Quemoy. They're not about to let go of the Daiyou.

Well Japan doesn't want to let it get into the hands of PRC anytime soon.

Japan

The first dispute is minor in comparision. It is a bunch of rocks. The Tsushuma dispute is pretty much well in Japanese favor considering the historical ties and the make up of the population. Why does US have to toe the line of South Korea? And it was pretty much well settled before 1950 when US ceded the sovereignty to Japan. It never passed under the control of South Korea.

I will do you one better. The Kuril Islands.

Yes and if Obama didn't do anything about it, you gonna call him a coward or something?

The only help Japan needs is against Taiwan.

The Japanese maritime force doesn't need help against Taiwan. It is way far more potent than Taiwan. It doesn't need help against Taiwan because there is no chance of conflict with the USN in between.

Am I? For over 60 years with a direct Soviet threat, Chinese belligerence, and now North Korean temper tantrums, the US could not get their three main allies together. Instead, Taiwanese-American, Japanese-American, and South Korean-American relations got stronger. For the shift Obama is envisioning, a Taiwanese-Japanese-South Korean alliance must occurred. That is the force multiplier that the Americans are counting on.

The status quo cannot continue as it is now due to the financial strait of the American budget with the defense budget cuts. And S. Korea and Taiwan must learn to put the past behind them and get on with the program. If they can't do that, that's not America or Obama's fault. As far as I am concerned, US has done more than enough to guarantee S. Korea and Taiwan's security at the expense of America taxpayers and America has even contributed to the creation of prosperous societies in S. Korea and Taiwan but there are no such free lunch anymore.

Instead, Taiwanese-Japanese-South Korean relations are not getting any happier.

Not the fault of Obama. He laid out a strategic vision that is workable and S. Korea and Taiwan said no. It is not Obama or America's job to persuade them. That is why he set up a base in Australia.

Consider this.

Bush Sr calls for war. The world answered - twice. during the height of Cold War
Clinton calls for war. NATO answered. That's because Blair made him do and it wasn't out of choice
Bush Jr calls for war the first time. NATO answered. He called for war a second time. ABCA answered.That was a direct attack on US soil and anybody would have answered including Gore and Obama
Obama calls for war. No one answered. Not even the Americans.After two expensive wars and the revelations that the intelligence in Iraq war was BS, I am not surprised. And nobody had the money to fight such wars. Hell, Britain didn't even answer its own PM. By the way, they did answer to Obama's call for war in Libya.

[Officer of Engineers]

The latest events and the intent of certain political events have pretty much made the difference in name and style of governing. You have stated in the past that Taiwan had pretty much declared itself as the heir to China and claims all the way to the borders of Tibet.

So one US ally, in fact the only US ally militarily capable of stopping Chinese expansion is told to take a hike?

And USA has repeatedly told Taiwan not to declare dependence or open any embassies any where in the world. What does that tell you?

Nothing. The Taiwanese will defend their own, including the Daiyou.

Not militarily but politically against China.

Taiwan is not about to give any territory to ML China anytime soon.

Well Japan doesn't want to let it get into the hands of PRC anytime soon.

Again, the only real military challenge comes from Taiwan.

The first dispute is minor in comparision. It is a bunch of rocks.

So is the Daiyou. There's no fresh water there. But those bunch rocks anchor claims to fishing grounds and oil and gas rights ... if you believe the geological reports. People have died trying to live on those rocks.

The Tsushuma dispute is pretty much well in Japanese favor considering the historical ties and the make up of the population. Why does US have to toe the line of South Korea? And it was pretty much well settled before 1950 when US ceded the sovereignty to Japan. It never passed under the control of South Korea.

The point is that the US is right to stay out of this fight ... as they also should about the Daiyou.

Yes and if Obama didn't do anything about it, you gonna call him a coward or something?

I'm stating outright that the US is under no treaty obligation to defend disputed territory.

The Japanese maritime force doesn't need help against Taiwan. It is way far more potent than Taiwan. It doesn't need help against Taiwan because there is no chance of conflict with the USN in between.

The RoCAF has a greater loiter time and the RoCN has a shorter leg time than any of the disputing powers.

Do you know the reason why the Chinese asked the Americans to stay in Korea after unification in the 90s? To prevent a war between a united Korea and Japan. Taiwanese feelings ain't that far off the mark either.

The status quo cannot continue as it is now due to the financial strait of the American budget with the defense budget cuts.

Which is why this bowing and the Daiyou statements were completely idiotic. It annoyed the hell out of two very important allies.

And S. Korea and Taiwan must learn to put the past behind them and get on with the program.

And if they don't? Are the Americans going to give up 2 of the 4 Tigers?

If they can't do that, that's not America or Obama's fault.

Obama's vision. Obama's failure.

As far as I am concerned, US has done more than enough to guarantee S. Korea and Taiwan's security at the expense of America taxpayers and America has even contributed to the creation of prosperous societies in S. Korea and Taiwan but there are no such free lunch anymore.

South Korea did her share in Vietnam and the South Korean military answers to American regional command.

Not the fault of Obama. He laid out a strategic vision that is workable and S. Korea and Taiwan said no. It is not Obama or America's job to persuade them.

What? Yes it is. His vision. His plan. His actions.

That is why he set up a base in Australia.

Yeah, how's that going?

during the height of Cold War

What does Kuwait and Somalia got to do with the Cold War? Moscow told both Saddam and the Somali warlords to take a hike.

That's because Blair made him do and it wasn't out of choice

It was Albright and the blue dress.

That was a direct attack on US soil and anybody would have answered including Gore and Obama

And you're calling that war a drain and a failure.

After two expensive wars and the revelations that the intelligence in Iraq war was BS, I am not surprised.

And Clinton somehow found the money for Kosovo after going after Bush with the "It's the economy, stupid" chant. If a war is worth fighting, then you find the means. Pakistan didn't stop being a piranha just because she was broke.

Syria's chemical attacks was well worth the effort. You yourself supported it. And there was a way to do it without disrupting the military balance.

By the way, they did answer to Obama's call for war in Libya.

Nope, Obama answered British and French calls for war.

[astralis]

z,

First, i think he could have spoke up and saved Mubarak. Then perhaps eased him out later.

i think you over-estimate what exactly the Presidency is capable of doing. if mubarak's army couldn't save mubarak, then not sure what words from obama would have saved him.

conversely, had mubarak stared down such a huge portion of his own populace, whatever it is the americans could do wouldn't have pushed him out, either.

egypt was already in the middle of a low-level civil war when mubarak went down. the difference is, now most of the populace hates the MoBros and not the other way around.

[Officer of Engineers]

How was it a debacle? No the counterexample is not flawed. It shows the limits of the power and ability of US to influence the actions on the ground in Georgia just like in Syria.

We did not invite ourselves to be involved in the Georgian War. Obama said Assad had to go and provided both covert and overt help to the rebels.

I did not say that. You are putting words into my mouth.

I did not say your worlds. I said your position. Your words are more specifically that if Israel has the nuke, then Iran is also justified to get the nuke when neither one has anything to do with the violation of the NPT.

Neither was Syria but we are stuck with the way it is.

Obama preferred the rebels and stated as much. He chosed sides and instead of making things controllable. He made it worst.

You seems to think that everything bad happening is Obama's choice and debacle and while the previous administrations, you attribute it to other sources. You don't give Obama the same pass that you give Bush and others.

Mainly because I don't see an alternative to the wars Bush 2 fought. Afghanistan was a strategic response and Iraq was a strategic imperative. I also don't see how an insurgency could have been avoided. Both countries are internally divided and you bungled through as best you can.

That is not the same for Libya and Syria.

[Jimbo]

Well to get back on track. The company I work for has health insurance through Kaiser Permanente in Colorado. We were informed that KP was canceling our policy as it doesn't meet the requirements Affordable Health Care Act. So as of Nov of 2014 we will be getting a new policy with new premiums (maybe KP maybe someone else who knows at this point). The funny, for lack of a better word, thing is this was a policy that was supposed to be fine under the Affordable Health Care Act, guess not. It was not a cheap plan as of now either (total premium of about $660 per month out of my pocket and another $900 or so that my employer provides). The number that are not able to keep their policies will go up drastically over this upcoming year. All I know is the projections I am seeing are that my costs are going to be going up. Is that not what the Act was supposed to correct. The Affordable Care Act does not fix the cost of rising health care it merely attempts to make others pay for the rising costs. At best the Affordable Care Act masks the symptoms, but the root cause is still there.

[snapper]

if mubarak's army couldn't save mubarak, then not sure what words from obama would have saved him.

Obama half endorsed the MB which is what inclined the army to desert Mubarak.

[Captain Worley]

No wonder the government didn't want to talk about how many had enrolled:

Early enrollment figures are contained in notes from twice-a-day "war room" meetings convened within the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services after the website failed on Oct. 1. They were turned over in response to a document request from the House Oversight Committee.

The website launched on a Tuesday. Publicly, the government said there were 4.7 million unique visits in the first 24 hours. But at a meeting Wednesday morning, the war room notes say "six enrollments have occurred so far."

They were with BlueCross BlueShield North Carolina and Kansas City, CareSource and Healthcare Service Corporation.

By Wednesday afternoon, enrollments were up to "approximately 100." By the end of Wednesday, the notes reflect "248 enrollments" nationwide.

Obamacare enrollments got off to very slow start, documents show - CBS News

[astralis]

right... a half-endorsement by a supposedly weak US president was the catalyst for the army to desert Mubarak. not the millions of egyptians calling for his downfall and the prospect of the army getting tarnished/sucked into a civil war without popular support.

the army recognized Mubarak had become a liability in sustaining the deep state.

anyhow, last off-topic post. let's move this back to health insurance.

[Albany Rifles]

All, lets keep it on topic. There are ample threads to discuss the other topics we are vearing off into on this thread.

[JAD_333]

Memo Reveals Only 6 People Signed Up for Obamacare on First Day

Memo Reveals Only 6 People Signed Up for Obamacare on First Day - ABC News

This is scandalous but not a reflection on Obamacare itself. The company managing the Federal rollout, CMS, is also the focus of mismanagement of Medicare payouts and reimbursements.

[JAD_333]

A potential political explosion is brewing. Or an economic minefield. Results so far indicate Obamacare could cost much more than projected.

In first month, the vast majority of Obamacare sign-ups are in Medicaid

When we first saw the numbers, everyone’s eyes kind of bugged out,” said Matt Salo, who runs the National Association of Medicaid Directors. “Of the people walking through the door, 90 percent are on Medicaid. We’re thinking, what planet is this happening on?”

The yawning gap between public and private enrollment is handing Republicans yet another line of criticism against President Obama’s health overhaul — that the law is primarily becoming an expansion of a costly entitlement program.