Obama knew millions could not keep their health insurance

[Blademaster]

Georgian brigadiers and btn CO's did not knew they were going to war.Or so they claimed.
As for Obama,he has the whole fvck up in the ME,aka the Arab Spring.The jihadists rose because they perceived a weak leader.

Obama increased the frequency of drone attacks and has killed several high profile jihadists. He even killed an American jihadist without a warrant. No he is not being weak.

[Blademaster]

^They perceived correctly.

You perceive wrong and you are barking up the wrong tree.

[Blademaster]

The three allies are Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan.

Because they are the Republic of China and the Daiyou are claimed Chinese territory.

Taiwan is an American proxy.

you contradict yourself right there.

Of all three powers with claims on the Daiyou, Taiwan, Mainland China, and Japan, Taiwan is militarily in the strongest position to enforce that claim. Obama just told the Taiwanese to piss off.

After Taiwan started cosying up to China. USA wasn't about to let those islands slip into Chinese control and recognizing Japanese sovereignty is the best way of ensuring that.

Learn the region first. Obama is pissing off the Taiwanese. And it is obvious to the South Koreans where Obama's bias is as far as South Korean-Japanese territorial spats are.

What bias? Is it because of the bowing? That is a very weak tenous argument. Is it because of the Daiyou islands? S. Korea has no claims to such region.

That's what his advisers are for. First off, state that Japan needs no help against the PLAN. 2nd, the US is under no obligation to defend disputed territory (and you would be an idiot to do so). 3rd, state that the Courts and not military force is the true arbitrators. 4 - go ask Putin for another bail out.

Ok then by your standards, I would start calling one of the Japanese islands a disputed territory and then US would be no obligation to defend that island. A good way of standing by your ally, isn't it? Your premise was that Obama didn't stand by US ally and I pointed one example of Obama doing so and you claim "Oh well that was a bad move cuz it pissed off other allies." S. Korea knew that US would defend Japan against Chinese hegemony. To extrapolate that into bias with Japanese between Japan and South Korea dispute is a far stretch. And every time you bring it up you undermine your argument for a Japanese- S. Korea- Taiwanese alliance. Your logic is bordering on the lines of Glenn Beck and Fox news commentators.

I have no respect for a President who lets others walk all over him and begs others to bail him out.

I have no respect or use for a such one side biased analysis or conclusion.

[Blademaster]

No, the problem was that money was doled out on a political basis instead of a need basis. You should have seen the way stimulus money was wasted locally repaving roads that didn't need it.

It didn't go where it MAY have done some good.

That is because the Republicans and the red states wouldn't let him do it.

For Toyota, et all, yeah; for the domestics, not so much. Granted, they didn't really have the high mpg products required, and that aspect of it is on them, but again you have the government coming up with something on the fly, and the domestic industry didn't benefit.

One of the worst trade secrets - A lot of japanese cars sold in US use a lot of American parts. It also kept the auto parts supply chain alive and weather through the Great Recession. It saved more jobs than you know.

No, really, I don't, but if the shoe fits...

Speak for yourself.

Pretty high percentage of personnel....then a response of....meh.

Disaster.

Then you are one of those people who run around with arms flailing "it's a disaster! It's a disaster!" when there is a boo hoo.

That WAS a gigantic disaster. And, yep, The Gipper didn't do much of anything. That doesn't excuse the Benghazi disaster. In fact it makes it worse because no one learned from something that happened almost 30 years ago.

It is relevant because it shows the sheer hypocrisy of the Republicans that seek to castigate Obama over the Benghazi attack that killed four people compared to the 256 people killed and the Republicans didn't cry foul and neither did the Democrats. Instead, both of them stood behind Reagan and Reagan dropped the ball. And the Republicans love bringing up Reagan and how great he was and all that BS.

Who's hyperbolic now?

Just imitating your style.

IMO, they should have investigated all those groups (that would have been my choice) or none of them. As it was, they picked and chose arbitrarily (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, here), which isn't how the government should work.

I am surprised at myself defending the IRS because I don't like the IRS but I gotta call a spade a spade. It is no surprise that the IRS chose to investigate both groups because there were too many groups applying for such exception and the BS meter was ringing highly in the IRS circles so they had every right to investigate whether the groups were genuine or not.

[Captain Worley]

Obama increased the frequency of drone attacks and has killed several high profile jihadists. He even killed an American jihadist without a warrant. No he is not being weak.

I do applaud his efforts on that front. The drone program is a great success.

[Captain Worley]

It is relevant because it shows the sheer hypocrisy of the Republicans that seek to castigate Obama over the Benghazi attack that killed four people compared to the 256 people killed and the Republicans didn't cry foul and neither did the Democrats. Instead, both of them stood behind Reagan and Reagan dropped the ball. And the Republicans love bringing up Reagan and how great he was and all that BS.

You will find I don't give a crap about R or D. Just when politicians don't behave to my liking.

Framing everything as a R and D argument keeps us from examining the problems we have.

I am surprised at myself defending the IRS because I don't like the IRS but I gotta call a spade a spade. It is no surprise that the IRS chose to investigate both groups because there were too many groups applying for such exception and the BS meter was ringing highly in the IRS circles so they had every right to investigate whether the groups were genuine or not.

My point is, they should have investigated all of them. Of course, that would infuriate their political masters.

[Parihaka]

I posted this way back when it happenned

That comment completely reset my view of NATO and has influenced my thinking ever since.

[astralis]

mihais,

The jihadists rose because they perceived a weak leader.

really? the arab spring happened because they thought obama was weak? not because, oh, their country's own leadership sucked? ok.

[zraver]

I am using OOE's logic against him. Of course George Bush was right in not going against Russia over Georgia the same way that Obama was correct in not going to war over Syria, Iran or North Korea. I am using a counterexample.

I agree with Obama staying out of Syria. But he bug fucked us on Egypt.

How about the rest of my rebuttal.

[astralis]

don't see how he could have done anything re: egypt.

in fact, the current situation is significantly better than it was in 2008. the MoBros are more unpopular than ever; the old leadership has pretty much re-asserted itself without the old unpopular faces; egypt is still at peace with israel and egypt continues to isolate hamas, even more harshly than ever.

frankly it's a better alternative than obama trying to make mubarak stick.

[zraver]

don't see how he could have done anything re: egypt.

in fact, the current situation is significantly better than it was in 2008. the MoBros are more unpopular than ever; the old leadership has pretty much re-asserted itself without the old unpopular faces; egypt is still at peace with israel and egypt continues to isolate hamas, even more harshly than ever.

frankly it's a better alternative than obama trying to make mubarak stick.

First, i think he could have spoke up and saved Mubarak. Then perhaps eased him out later. Instead he threw our ally to the wolves and our other allies watched him do it. Egypt is now fighting a low level civil war that could go large scale... That is not good for stability.

[Mihais]

mihais,



really? the arab spring happened because they thought obama was weak? not because, oh, their country's own leadership sucked? ok.

The leadership sucked since forever.But they rose on Obama's watch.And not a single relevant individual in that administration saw it coming.

[Blademaster]

First, i think he could have spoke up and saved Mubarak. Then perhaps eased him out later. Instead he threw our ally to the wolves and our other allies watched him do it. Egypt is now fighting a low level civil war that could go large scale... That is not good for stability.

Why would he do that? Mubarak was not a good leader and the people wanted him out. And Obama did try to ease him out only Mubarak didn't play along. Mubarak had several opportunities to make a smooth transition but his obstinacy and ego got in the way. After that, Obama gave up.

[zraver]

Why would he do that? Mubarak was not a good leader and the people wanted him out. And Obama did try to ease him out only Mubarak didn't play along. Mubarak had several opportunities to make a smooth transition but his obstinacy and ego got in the way. After that, Obama gave up.

Obama gave him order sin public, not behind the scenes nudges after the crisis passed. What people want is a fickle thing, he was solid and kept Egypt on a relatively even keel. The status quo worked just fine.

[Officer of Engineers]

you contradict yourself right there.

Have I? You do know there is a difference between the REPUBLIC OF CHINA and THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.

The Taiwan Relations Act states the US is committed to the defence of Taiwan and if taken at face value, that means the territorial integrity of Taiwan and that includes the Daiyou.

The Japanese needs no help against the PLAN on the Daiyou issue. The only military challenge comes from the RoCN.

After Taiwan started cosying up to China. USA wasn't about to let those islands slip into Chinese control and recognizing Japanese sovereignty is the best way of ensuring that.

You're reaching. The Taiwanese ain't giving up Matsu and Quemoy. They're not about to let go of the Daiyou.

What bias? Is it because of the bowing? That is a very weak tenous argument. Is it because of the Daiyou islands? S. Korea has no claims to such region.

Japan

Ok then by your standards, I would start calling one of the Japanese islands a disputed territory and then US would be no obligation to defend that island. A good way of standing by your ally, isn't it?

I will do you one better. The Kuril Islands.

Your premise was that Obama didn't stand by US ally and I pointed one example of Obama doing so and you claim "Oh well that was a bad move cuz it pissed off other allies." S. Korea knew that US would defend Japan against Chinese hegemony.

The only help Japan needs is against Taiwan.

To extrapolate that into bias with Japanese between Japan and South Korea dispute is a far stretch. And every time you bring it up you undermine your argument for a Japanese- S. Korea- Taiwanese alliance. Your logic is bordering on the lines of Glenn Beck and Fox news commentators.

Am I? For over 60 years with a direct Soviet threat, Chinese belligerence, and now North Korean temper tantrums, the US could not get their three main allies together. Instead, Taiwanese-American, Japanese-American, and South Korean-American relations got stronger. For the shift Obama is envisioning, a Taiwanese-Japanese-South Korean alliance must occurred. That is the force multiplier that the Americans are counting on.

Instead, Taiwanese-Japanese-South Korean relations are not getting any happier.

I have no respect or use for a such one side biased analysis or conclusion.

Consider this.

Bush Sr calls for war. The world answered - twice.
Clinton calls for war. NATO answered.
Bush Jr calls for war the first time. NATO answered. He called for war a second time. ABCA answered.
Obama calls for war. No one answered. Not even the Americans.