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  • #61
    Just caught this on the wire: ''Boston Marathon explosives were in 6-liter pressure cookers and placed in black duffel bags''

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    • #62
      my deepest sympathies to all victims & their families.

      anyone who can commit such "thing" can not be human and does not deserve to breath in the same planet we share.

      anyone responsible for such crime deserves to suffer a slow & painful death(s)...
      Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by dave lukins View Post
        Just caught this on the wire: ''Boston Marathon explosives were in 6-liter pressure cookers and placed in black duffel bags''
        The July 2006 train bombs in Mumbai were also placed in pressure cookers. Explosives were RDX and Ammonium Nitrate.

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        • #64
          My deepest condolences to those who lost their loved ones and wishing of speedy recovery for those wounded. I hope that assholes who perpetrated this heinous act will be found and will, somehow, not have their Miranda rights read to them.

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          • #65
            A good read.

            It is heartening to read how many of the medical staff were runners who jumped in to assist while still in running clothes and covered in sweat....shortly it was blood.

            Boston Maraton First Responders: When Heroes Defy Their Instincts | TIME.com


            Bombs, Instincts and Morals: Why Heroes Risk It All for Strangers

            By Jeffrey KlugerApril 16, 20131 Comment


            Nature ought to have washed its hands of us by now, and if it hasn’t yet, yesterday’s blasts in Boston should have persuaded it to. It’s not just that we’re evil—though we are. We build bombs, we manufacture guns, we slaughter one another with an ugly lustiness that defies the powerful social impulses that are supposed to be coded into us.

            The bigger problem for nature is that we’re also fools. If our genes have told us once, they’ve told us a thousand times: stay out of harm’s way. When a madman’s raging, when a bomb goes off, when a 110-story building is pancaking down and another one right next to it is about to do the same, run the hell away. Yes, yes, you hear a lot about fight or flight, but really, you want to live? Go for flight.

            Yesterday at the Boston Marathon we saw it again. The bombs went off, the victims fell, the familiar footprint of flesh and blood and terror was stamped into the streets. And people did what they are hardwired to do, which is that they scattered—at first. And then an equally familiar gathering began. Police and servicemen swarmed the snow fences along the streets, pulling them down to allow medical personnel in. Doctors, paramedics and passersby knelt in the blood to administer aid to people they had never met before that moment and might never see after it. Perhaps there were more bombs that still could go off; perhaps the same madman who set off the first ones would show up with an assault weapon next. Never mind, the caregivers rushed in anyway.

            There has always been this kind of opposing physics to good and evil. Evil begins from a point source—a cartridge of gunpowder, a nugget of uranium, a knot of hate in a single dark mind—and then it blows outward. Good gathers from everywhere around the blast and then moves—foolishly, perilously, wonderfully—toward it.

            “The police were trying to keep us back, but I told them I was a physician and they let me through,” Dr. Natalie Stevens, a participant in the race, told the New York Times. Stevens performed CPR on a woman whom she suspected was dead; she applied a tourniquet to the leg of a man who surely would have been had she not been here. And it would have made a lot more survival sense for her to have done nothing of the kind.

            (MORE: New Photos — Boston, the Day After)

            Ethicists, anthropologists and evolutionary biologists have tried for a long time to figure out why we do these things—why we put ourselves in mortal danger to save other people and, in so doing, defy our one great evolutionary imperative, which is to stay alive ourselves. There are the reductionist explanations, of course. It’s genetic mathematics, say the sociobiologists. It’s not that you’ll help anyone at all, just the ones with whom you have some biological connection. You’re twice as likely to come to the aid of your parents, siblings and children, with whom you share 50% of your genes, than you are to help your grandparents, grandchildren, nieces and nephews, with whom you share 25%. You move on down this way in tidy arithmetical lockstep through your cousins and great half-aunts and great-great-great uncles, with their 12.5% and 6.25% and 3.13% relatedness and it all makes a perfect kind of crystalline sense, until you ask why then you’d consider helping the bleeding stranger on the Boston streets, with whom you share no genes at all, and the sociobiolgists start a lot of hand-waving about tribal relatedness and collective genetics and you pretty much stop listening.

            Then there are the neurological explanations. We’re sympathetic creatures, but not in the prettified way we usually use that word. Our brains are wired with mirror neurons—cells that make us mimic the behavior of the people around us, so that we laugh when they laugh and cry when they cry and yawn when they yawn. It feels like empathy, but it’s nothing of the kind. If you want to survive as a social creature, you have to behave like everyone else, and mirror neurons see to it that you do. That’s not empathy, that’s fitting in.

            A similar mechanistic argument is made by scientists who scan the brain and actually see where goodness lives. Moral behavior is processed in the prefrontal cortex and the meso-limbic region. It follows a very mappable neuronal path that is no more complex than the one that allows you to throw a baseball or write your name, and that’s no more lyrical either.

            (PHOTOS: Explosions in Boston)

            And yet, all these answers just smell wrong. You can deconstruct a painting by explaining the salts and sulfides and esters that make up its pigments; you can parse a symphony by measuring the frequency and wavelength of the final crashing chord, but you’re missing the bigger picture.

            Humans, instead, are guided by a sort of moral grammar—a primal ethical armature on which decency is built, just the way our language is built on syntax and tenses and conditional clauses. You know when a sentence is right and when it isn’t even if you can’t quite explain why, and you know the same thing about goodness too. Psychologist Michael Schulman of Columbia University likes to pose the thought experiment of the kindergarteners who are taught two rules: it’s not OK to eat in the classroom and it’s not OK to hit other children. Tell the kids that the teacher has lifted the no-eating rule and they’ll happily eat. Tell them that the teacher has lifted the no-hitting rule and they’ll uniformly balk. “They’ll say, ‘Teacher shouldn’t say that,’” says Schulman. “That starts at a very young age.”

            (MORE: Inside the Hunt for the Marathon Bomber)

            What starts young stays with us. Yes, we’re savage; yes, we’re brutal. It was a member of the home-team species, a homo sapiens like anyone else, who set the Boston bombs, and like it or not, that person is very close kin to you. But you’re close kin to the first-responders too, you’re close kin to the people who cried for the eight year old who died, not even knowing the child’s gender or name, because an eight year old simply shouldn’t die, and surely not the way this one did.

            The very empathy that brings us to those tears need not be wasted on the person who committed the crime. Twelve years ago, when the rubble of the Sept. 11 attacks was still smoldering, TIME’s Lance Morrow wrote, “Anyone who does not loathe the people who did these things, and the people who cheer them on, is too philosophical for decent company.” The same is true of the person or people responsible for the Boston slaughter.

            But it’s equally true that the people who commit all of these crimes are, in many ways, the free radicals of our social organism—the atoms that go bouncing about, unbonded to anything, doing damage to whatever they touch. The bonds they lack are the ones the rest of us share—the ones that make us pull away the snow fences and kneel in the blood pools. “Morality,” says psychologist and ethicist Jonathan Haidt, “is a team sport.” It’s far better to be part of that team than to be apart from it.


            Read more: Boston Maraton First Responders: When Heroes Defy Their Instincts | TIME.com
            “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
            Mark Twain

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            • #66
              With all those Camcorders, Cameras and Cellphones taking pix of the Marathon I'm certain the perpetrators snap shots are residing inside some or many of those electronic devices. I believe authorities asked every one to turn in their devices for evaluation. S/He, they will be caught and brought to justice. I wonder when our politicians will wake up and say enough is enough and bring those senseless, mindless savages who take pleasure on murdering innocent people to justice.

              RIP on the fallen and speedy recovery for those injured.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by dave lukins View Post
                Just caught this on the wire: ''Boston Marathon explosives were in 6-liter pressure cookers and placed in black duffel bags''
                Indeed. It seems that gunpowder was the explosive agent and the cookers were seeded with small metallic pellets and carpenter nails with the heads snipped off. DHS issued a bulletin in 2003 that such devices were being assembled in Taliban training camps, but the schematics/instructions are readily available these days online. It is unclear whether the devices were detonated remotely or included timers (electronic command devices include digital watches, garage door openers, cellphones, pagers, etc.).

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                • #68


                  The New England Blood Bank is reporting it has its highest stockage level in years.
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                  “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                  Mark Twain

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
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                    The New England Blood Bank is reporting it has its highest stockage level in years.
                    A doctor was just on Fox telling people to stop giving today and get on a list to give later so they don't have to throw blood away now, and run out later.

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                    • #70
                      The Taliban has denied involvement and reportedly the jihadi charter about it is nill. That is troubling if true because it begins to point the finger at a domestic source. Though is could be a Taliban trained jihadist operating as a lone wolf. Or perhaps the terrorists have learned to keep their mouths shut in an era of CIA drones.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by zraver View Post
                        A doctor was just on Fox telling people to stop giving today and get on a list to give later so they don't have to throw blood away now, and run out later.
                        Z,
                        Can't those extra donated blood be transferred to other blood centers in the nation and compensate for shortage?

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by zraver View Post
                          The Taliban has denied involvement and reportedly the jihadi charter about it is nill.
                          Interesting. I wonder if al-Qaida has also denied involvement.


                          Originally posted by zraver View Post
                          That is troubling if true because it begins to point the finger at a domestic source. Though is could be a Taliban trained jihadist operating as a lone wolf.
                          Somebody (politician?) remarked the same thing: Likely a self-radicalized Muslim already living here in the U.S.


                          Originally posted by zraver View Post
                          Or perhaps the terrorists have learned to keep their mouths shut in an era of CIA drones.
                          That would be disturbing, as those people tend to like to talk, loudly.
                          Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Aryajet View Post
                            Z,
                            Can't those extra donated blood be transferred to other blood centers in the nation and compensate for shortage?
                            Only for so long...and transport becomes problematic.

                            Plus a lot of these people will need multiple surgeries requiring ample blood supply in weeks and months to come.

                            This helps ensure a supply over a longer period of time.
                            “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                            Mark Twain

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                            • #74
                              The suspects.

                              Al Queda
                              Al Queda in the Arabian Pennisula
                              Taliban
                              other international Sunni jihadist group
                              other domestic sunni jihadist group
                              Lone wolf jihadi
                              Domestic right wing extremist group
                              Domestic left wing extremist group
                              Domestic lone wolf
                              Hezzbollah/Hamas/PoG/Quds Force*


                              *Something I haven't heard discussed but which is surely on the government list is Hezzbollah, Hamas or Quds force. There is no proof, but a lot of open source information that says they cannot be ruled out. First they've had a historic presence in Boston. Second, Iran ain't happy with us and would surely like some pay back. Third, Hezzbollah/Hamas has used these types of bombs before. Fifth, Boston has a large Jewish presence for a variety of reasons. Sixth, Hezzbollah has a history of striking internationally. Seven it would explain jihadi tactics with no jihadi chatter.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by zraver View Post
                                The suspects.

                                Al Queda
                                Al Queda in the Arabian Pennisula
                                Taliban
                                other international Sunni jihadist group
                                other domestic sunni jihadist group
                                Lone wolf jihadi
                                Domestic right wing extremist group
                                Domestic left wing extremist group
                                Domestic lone wolf
                                Hezzbollah/Hamas/PoG/Quds Force*


                                *Something I haven't heard discussed but which is surely on the government list is Hezzbollah, Hamas or Quds force. There is no proof, but a lot of open source information that says they cannot be ruled out. First they've had a historic presence in Boston. Second, Iran ain't happy with us and would surely like some pay back. Third, Hezzbollah/Hamas has used these types of bombs before. Fifth, Boston has a large Jewish presence for a variety of reasons. Sixth, Hezzbollah has a history of striking internationally. Seven it would explain jihadi tactics with no jihadi chatter.
                                Given the number of bombs a 'lone wolf' literally acting alone is unlikely. Too much to carry around & put in place. Too many opportunities to get rumbled. Doesn't mean it is an established group, but a group it is likey to be.
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