27 dead in Newtown school shooting

[Roosveltrepub]

Good idea. Blacks = higher risk of violent crime = no guns. No problem.

Still like your idea?

-dale

actually are you sure on that Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Trends by race Maybe the issue is thise guns that dont require backgrund checks that flood the tri state area and end up in the hands of felons who couldnt pass a check. When it comes to school slaughters I think race is fairly uniform but imo it just isnt about race and if a gun that yu own and is unsecured and used by a family member to slaughter 1 or more people wtf shouldnt you be responsible we require no fault insurance after all. I'd imagine as with that in urban or poor areas rates would rise. What is so radical abut having insurance it isnt like legal guns are killing a lot of innocents is it? It's criminals that wouldnt have the insurance because they would need to buy thrugh a straw man or a gun show Federal study reveals that most guns used in crimes in New York state come from outside - NYPOST.com Shouldnt anyone buying a gun at least have to pass one background check? As it is now they cant touch the straw man guyers all they have to say is I sold it at a gun show as a collector

[omon]

Shouldnt anyone buying a gun at least have to pass one background check?

they should, and they are, and if you ever bought a gun in last 10 years you'd know it. before telling what needs to be changed, it would be god idea to know what we already have, and tried before.

[Roosveltrepub]

lol,you were always full of it, now it pours out your ears.

why don't you try to buy a gun at a gun show, than tell us how it went.



whoever wrote this is as full of it as you are, like i said, go to a gun show, and see how it is for your self.

really, could you provide a source and again is this realy a thread to tel me I am full of shit or have no idea what I am taking about when I source and yu dont? Source it or save your judgement More

What is the "gun show loophole"?

The Gun Control Act of 1968 requires anyone engaged in the business of selling guns to have a Federal Firearms License (FFL) and keep a record of their sales. However, this law does not cover all gun sellers. If a supplier is selling from his or her private collection and the principal objective is not to make a profit, the seller is not "engaged in the business" and is not required to have a license. Because they are unlicensed, these sellers are not required to keep records of sales and are not required to perform background checks on potential buyers, even those prohibited from purchasing guns by the Gun Control Act. The gun show loophole refers to the fact that prohibited purchasers can avoid required background checks by seeking out these unlicensed sellers at gun shows.

Gun Show Loophole Frequently Asked Questions - Coalition to Stop Gun Violence again DOJ sourced with pertinent laws

Missouri Legislator Wants to Shoot Down State's "Gun Show Loophole" - St. Louis - News - Daily RFT seems like maybe just maybe you leaped before you looked in yur respinse? I mean I could post these all day there were 6k of them and hundreds from newspaer articles and hundreds well sourced. Ot is a loophole that avoids use of a background check sorry not believing it is real is different than it not being real

[Roosveltrepub]

they should, and they are, and if you ever bought a gun in last 10 years you'd know it. before telling what needs to be changed, it would be god idea to know what we already have, and tried before.

unfortunately not with private sales as of yet. A handful of states have closed it. Perhaps you live in one and that's why you thought I was full of it in this case. I will just say you were were mistaken. Being full of it sounds like an intent to mislead and I dont think that is your intent

[zraver]

seriously, Dale on a thread about dead children do you have to be so hostile Oh, and maybe you should learn the law https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&...w=1140&bih=644 6k results

Roosie,

20% of guns used in crime are obtained legally
40%% of guns obtained illegally used in crimes are via strawman purchases.
45.6% of guns obtained illegally are from just 1.7% of fire arms dealers
Only .8% of inmates reported obtaining their guns via a gun show or gun shop
98.2% reported getting guns from friends/family, illegal dealers, criminal trades and burglary.
Stolen guns and guns sold illegally not private party sales are the problem.

[omon]

unfortunately not with private sales as of yet. A handful of states have closed it. Perhaps you live in one and that's why you thought I was full of it in this case. I will just say you were were mistaken. Being full of it sounds like an intent to mislead and I dont think that is your intent

you said gun shows, not private sales. again go to guns show and try to buy a gun, this will be the best source. than tell us how it went.

[omon]

really, could you provide a source and again is this realy a thread to tel me I am full of shit or have no idea what I am taking about when I source and yu dont?

i go to gun shows, you don't, so there, you want source, go there and see for yourself.

[omon]

But again, I'm not arguing it's a 100% effective solution. Heck, I'm not even arguing for a ban. Just regulations.

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and when those regulations fail, and they will, just like many did before, you WILL say it was not enough, and than you'll be for all out ban.

[dalem]

seriously, Dale on a thread about dead children do you have to be so hostile Oh, and maybe you should learn the law https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&...w=1140&bih=644 6k results

How many gun shows have you been to? Have you ever bought a firearm at a gun show?

-dale

[dalem]

actually are you sure on that Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Trends by race

Sure I'm sure, just like the charts you linked to show. Did you even read the page?

-dale

[Roosveltrepub]

Roosie,

20% of guns used in crime are obtained legally
40%% of guns obtained illegally used in crimes are via strawman purchases.
45.6% of guns obtained illegally are from just 1.7% of fire arms dealers
Only .8% of inmates reported obtaining their guns via a gun show or gun shop
98.2% reported getting guns from friends/family, illegal dealers, criminal trades and burglary.
Stolen guns and guns sold illegally not private party sales are the problem.

private sales require no background checks most places so do elude the sytem which is a hole in the system. Those numbers dont hold true for the mass killings someone slinging crack desnt have an ak on their shoulder but semi auto rifles are the weapon of choice in mass killings and most are legally bought indicating people we all agree shouldnt have access to the weapon have it. Whether it's a requirement to secure weapons better n theft proof boxes, better backkgrund checks on those buying the weapons and including thise in a household in the check since their isnt a requrment to lock the weapon in a real secure contaner or elminating the expanded clips to end the huge kill capacity they have or the weapons themselves. I dont claim to know the answer but to not try to solve the problem seems defeatest and really contrary to the American spirit.


We arent a cant do people or defeatest. I am not anti gun I am pro makng sure we do everything possible to prevent weapons capable of dealing that kind of death from ever being used in a 1st grade class again. Of it cant be done short of banning I can live with that if it can be done w/i that then great but something has to change

[Roosveltrepub]

Sure I'm sure, just like the charts you linked to show. Did you even read the page?

-dale

Dale did you see the percentage of gun ownership? In the end though the issue at hand isnt guns used in crime that is secndary it's weapons used for mass slaughter and frankly white has it all every any the race when it comes to that act. You do understand now there is a loophole on background checks at shows or are you standing by yur claim private sales require a background check? I found 15 percent of felons in the federal pen bought there weapons from dealers a bit off putting. it isnt like most of them are first offenders in federal prisons. Again though crimnal activity and these mass slaughters are two very different birds and not comparable in gun sources, types, the profile of the offender, or the victims of the act...... criminals shooting crimnals nt my biggest worry...the collateral damage done t innocents n those cases though does point to a need to TRY to address the problem.

[Roosveltrepub]

How many gun shows have you been to? Have you ever bought a firearm at a gun show?

-dale

Is a background check required for private sales by ad or at gun shows in most states or not. I said it wasnt you said I was clueless. I think it's establshed fact now what the law is most places isnt it? You still havent sourced your claim I was clueless on that point

[Roosveltrepub]

you said gun shows, not private sales. again go to guns show and try to buy a gun, this will be the best source. than tell us how it went.

Gun shows also have private sales Oman. Licensed dealers at shows run the checks. the loophole pertains to private sales at shows which do occur. I already posted sources fr my claim which stated the actual law. Please show me where private sales at gunshows always require background checks or surrender the point for lack of sourcing

[dalem]

Dale did you see the percentage of gun ownership?

How does that matter? You want to force, for a particular product, insurance premiums that means-test risk of violence. I've identified a group whose risk of violence is high. I don't see the problem.

the collateral damage done t innocents n those cases though does point to a need to TRY to address the problem.

And what, EXACTLY is the problem to address as you see it?

-dale