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  • zraver
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    Originally posted by Doktor View Post
    Europe is so generic of a term. Comparing Germany to Greece is plain wrong.

    But the bill will come and if those are to pay it can do it, all nice, if not, so much of the growth.
    Ahh but he can't compare like v like. Compare Us v Germany and whose system during the recession paid better dividends? US growth isn't real growth because it is not providing enough jobs. its paper profits and jobs for ghosts.

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  • Doktor
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    Originally posted by DOR View Post
    The "price," as you put it, is the net difference between what's happened in Europe over the past 5+ years, and what's happened in the US.

    Growth vs. stagnation.
    Europe is so generic of a term. Comparing Germany to Greece is plain wrong.

    But the bill will come and if those are to pay it can do it, all nice, if not, so much of the growth.

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  • DOR
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    Originally posted by Doktor View Post
    What is the price of today's economy 'rehab'?

    Who will pay for that?
    The "price," as you put it, is the net difference between what's happened in Europe over the past 5+ years, and what's happened in the US.

    Growth vs. stagnation.

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  • Doktor
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    What is the price of today's economy 'rehab'?

    Who will pay for that?

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  • bonehead
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    That post was directed at Bluesman.
    Still as you opened the can of worms…. We now have reformed healthcare, it is called the ACA or Obamacare. You may not like it but it does not change the fact that our healthcare system has been reformed. Secondly, I will take the economy of today over what we had in 2008 anytime. Wall street would agree with me. Lastly These two things and more happened under Obama's watch…with the republicans fighting him every inch of the way. If Obama was so incompetent as you want to believe he would have accomplished nothing and Romney would be in the White House. Now in the last 5 years what have the republicans accomplished? They sure looked competent when they shutdown the government didn't they?

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  • zraver
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    Originally posted by bonehead View Post
    He has beaten the republicans time and time again. Including a take down of McCain and Romney. You might not like the direction he has gone but you can't deny he has done quite a bit in his administration, and that would take…. "leadership skills". There is no way Obama could have done so much by accident. Frankly I am surprised you can't see this as it fits nicely into "Obama is evil" mantra you love to portray.
    Anyone could have beaten McCain, and Romney wasn't much better. though I concede Obama knows how to campaign. That however is not the same as leadership. Obama isn't evil, though evil is the result, he is incompetent. He was elected to fix the economy and failed. he wasted his political capitol on reforming health care and he still failed. carter was more effective. The best example of Obama's gross incompetence and absolute proof he is too small for the office is his gold game. Not his handicap, the fact he plays as Americans who gave all are repatriated to Andrews AFB. He is our Nero who fiddles while it burns.

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  • bonehead
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    Originally posted by Bluesman View Post
    I just LOVE the looks back in time, don't you? This is a real gem, right here. Obama, a 'more effective leader'. After watching the past month, this one is just priceless to see again.
    He has beaten the republicans time and time again. Including a take down of McCain and Romney. You might not like the direction he has gone but you can't deny he has done quite a bit in his administration, and that would take…. "leadership skills". There is no way Obama could have done so much by accident. Frankly I am surprised you can't see this as it fits nicely into "Obama is evil" mantra you love to portray.

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  • Bluesman
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    Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
    Well two years ago, I liked the Tea party and guess what? I hate the Tea Party now. I am more convinced that he is a more effective leader than Romney would ever be or any candidate fielded by the Republicans because what the Republicans did was poison the well. I will tell you, if Romney wins, he would have the shortest honeymoon ever, not even a day.

    He is still far more popular than the Congress. By your standards, not even the key decision makers are convincing the public that they were right in opposing Obama.
    I just LOVE the looks back in time, don't you? This is a real gem, right here. Obama, a 'more effective leader'. After watching the past month, this one is just priceless to see again.

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  • Bluesman
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    Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
    Bluesman,

    Where were you when research and statistics showed that voter fraud was a lot less than advertised in GOP campaigns and ads and it turned out that the measure to supposedly "erase the voter fraud" had the effect of suppressing voters' rights and driving away votes from Democratic candidates?

    Don't forget there are two sides to every coin.
    And AGAIN, you're full of crap. Texas' most-recent election, the one with the new voter ID law in place, had zero effect, did not suppress the vote one bit.

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  • Bluesman
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    Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
    And I am calling utter bullshit on every thing that Paul Ryan has said and on most of your posts and practically all of Bluesman and dalem's posts. Sounds fair?
    LOVE the roll eyes. REALLY makes your case.

    Apologize; climb down. Now.

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  • Blademaster
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    Bluesman,

    Where were you when research and statistics showed that voter fraud was a lot less than advertised in GOP campaigns and ads and it turned out that the measure to supposedly "erase the voter fraud" had the effect of suppressing voters' rights and driving away votes from Democratic candidates?

    Don't forget there are two sides to every coin.

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  • Bluesman
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    GOP Sounds Alarm Over Obama Decision to Move Census to White House | Fox News

    And old story, and one that had some mis-direction in it. I commented that this shady move was so that this crime syndicate of a mis-Administration could control re-districting. It does that, but has the added bennie of being able to manipulate labor stats.

    Who doesn't see it yet?

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  • Bluesman
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    Census ‘faked’ 2012 election jobs report | New York Post

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  • Bluesman
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    Originally posted by Bluesman View Post
    I want to know one thing: do the people that are in here hyping this one number, this lone indicator that Obama has NOT been an unprecedented economic disaster for this country, that he has NOT set the record for damage inflicted in a single term, do you have any intellectual honesty to admit that it is suspect? Do you have any curiousity that makes you want to look into the fact that THREE multi-decade records all fell in two months, on exactly the very day that would deliver the maximum electoral help to the President's re-election chances?

    And think of it: 7.8% official unemployment rate, tortured into the minimum lowest possible point, not calculated the same way as Reagan's rate, when anything north of SEVEN PERCENT was an unacceptable disaster. THIS is seen as GOOD news? What would a second Obama term bring us, a plunge down to 7.2%, after ANOTHER trillion dollars spent? Every other indicator is STILL showing enormous damage from the policies that have been running us face-first into a wall for the past three years. But a HIGHLY unlikely massive drop that hasn't been seen in TWENTY-NINE YEARS (and during a record-setting economic boom)...and you can honestly say, 'Yeah, I'll buy that; seems right to me.'

    So just answer that one question: can you stand yourself for accepting this lie, because it helps your guy, and really, what use is integrity when he can possibly still pull this out and you can be on the winning side?
    Best for last.

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  • Bluesman
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    Originally posted by Bluesman View Post
    Think those numbers are still pristine and trustworthy? Stolen from Ace, citing breaking reports from WSJ and Fox:
    More nostalgia.

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