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  • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
    But we have no proof that it's man made. That's the whole point.
    either greenhouse gases create warming or they don't As toother reasons they get shredded by real science. as to the comment on the models saying the center of the country would get wetter and drier....Future Climate Change | Climate Change | US EPA sure looks like what is being experienced today to me....
    Pari one question. Did you believe in climate change at all 12 years ago? I hae a hard time accepting the argument from people it isn't manamade if their previous arguement was it wasn't real. In this country that's been the shift. Most of those who say it's real and natural today claimed it wasnt real in the past. It is natural I agree. it's a natural predicted effect of green house gas concentration.....I dont want to hijack the thread so will drop it. My self I think time will continue to prove the point. 10 yrs ago it wasnt real today it isnt manmade in ten yrs it wont be an argument in the USA anymore. I say USA because we are the only adanced nation with a large percentage of deniers left.

    The best we have is scientific method hypothesis= outcome= true or false hypothesis. I respect real sleptics and trust in time they will be concvinced by facts as some notable one were this year that previously had been sited as experts in denial. The folks who still claim it isn't warming at all are living in a bubble and grab things like the predicted cooling of the upper atmosphere as proof the theory is false when the cooling supports it.


    As to the Presidential race i thought Mitt was very Nixon like yesterday releasing a notorized account of the last 2o yrs. Itr shows he paid half my rate the entire period een without seeing the dirty details. Given the swiss account amnesty in 2009 and the swiss account not being mentioned on his MA disclosure form I think this is probably as far as he can go. A lot of folks just like him had swiss accounts start appearing in 2010 because of the amnesty. While it was forgiven i think in a candidates case it would be doom. If the acount had been noted in 2002 when gov i wouldnt think so but the likelihood he decided to open a swiss accoutn after it lost it's advantages is less likely than his having had one from his pre public service days.
    Also, his IRA investments would of been shown and the value he placed on them at the time he made them. Given an IRA can only recieve 2500 a yr it isnt a stretch to think his with 100 million might of been built on by filling it with stock worth far more than the stated value.

    Then there is the therapy horse in the olympics. Does anyone really believe a horse in constant training to compete ws the therapy horse not t he horse in the next stall with far lower costs?


    He is guilty of being of his class and taking adantage of all tax benefits purchased by political donations only. The problem is it wouldnt play well with the middl if they realized just how skewed the system was. After all my last yr working I made about 80k and my total tax on wages was 23k twice Mitts rate. See, Mitt is in that unknown percentage that doesnt pay payroll taxes at all and payroll taxs are an equal portion of federal revenue as income taxes

    I think the man's goose is cooked but sadly he was the best choice. it's a shame GWB so damaged the Bush brand Jeb imo would of had a great potential to be a right of center President who returned us to fiscal sanity unlike his brother who recreated fiscal insanity. he would of benn able to raise taxes and reign in entitlerments. Now, we have Boehner saying no high end increases ever which is basically like saying eliminate medicare social security or medicaid but not payroll taxes or run insane deficits forever
    Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
    ~Ronald Reagan

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    • either greenhouse gases create warming or they don't As toother reasons they get shredded by real science. as to the comment on the models saying the center of the country would get wetter and drier....Future Climate Change | Climate Change | US EPA sure looks like what is being experienced today to me....
      First, they don't. The sun creates heat. GHG's absorb and emit the radiation.

      Second, your link didn't show any models that predicted the US drought. In fact, you seem to think EPA projections for mid to end century are proof of a 2012 weather event, just as you seem to think a 2020 arctic projection is already a fact. You're passing off model projections as fact, and this is quite stupid.

      And finally, you are the one who keeps using the words believe and disbelieve. Facts, and data, don't require belief. Faith does...like your faith in models over actual observation. And like any believer, no amount of facts is going to change your mind. You couldn't produce a model that actually predicted the US drought, but that doesn't stop you from making the claim. The IPCC itself disagrees with your assessment, but that fact is ignored because you already believe it. So please, don't try lecturing people who actually know something about this topic with your faith and rhetoric. I don't think you'd know the "real science" if it sat on your face and wiggled. And yes, there's a thread for this elsewhere.
      Last edited by Wooglin; 22 Sep 12,, 15:12.

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      • Yeah that 169 page one with the new Arctic Ice Cap shrinkage articles... :whome:
        "Draft beer, not people."

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        • Please keep the discussion somewhat focussed on the election. We already have a large thread for climate related issues. Anyone willing to talk about evolution is free to open a new topic in the science section.

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          • Could someone analyse the pros and cons of both the Presidential candidates, their policies and their appeal to the electorate.

            How do they rate domestically and why.

            How do they rate foreign policywise and why.

            Thanks.


            "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

            I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

            HAKUNA MATATA

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            • Originally posted by Ray View Post
              Could someone analyse the pros and cons of both the Presidential candidates, their policies and their appeal to the electorate.

              How do they rate domestically and why.

              How do they rate foreign policywise and why.

              Thanks.
              The policy platforms for both parties are readily available now. Anything anyone said here would be slanted. Romney is not the devil nor is Obam,a a commie. Obama's foriegn policy is pretty well established. Romney's is really unknown but a list of those giving him advice in the area and their past positions is readily available.
              If you liked Bush's advisors you'll like Romneys. As to dometetically if one believes in supply side trickle down taxcuts as a means of growth and defict reduction then Romeny is the man. Myself, i believe in making higher education easier to get for those who qualify and a basic social safety net as we have now and some modest over time income based dedectibles for medicare and income based reductions in social security and a return to a progressive tax system. Currently with payroll taxes and incoem taxes our system is bell shaped
              Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
              ~Ronald Reagan

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              • Originally posted by Chunder View Post
                You missed him, you got him.
                Ask and you shall received oh Lord.
                :)

                And just the day after that dwm guy goes on his cruise...

                Rosie, are you SURE you're not in West Virginia? :)

                -dale

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                • Originally posted by Ray View Post
                  Could someone analyse the pros and cons of both the Presidential candidates, their policies and their appeal to the electorate.

                  How do they rate domestically and why.

                  How do they rate foreign policywise and why.

                  Thanks.
                  From what I understand the main topic on these elections is US economy, the one who will be seen as a better on this one will win.

                  When the economy is the topic it usually means the current incumbent is doing a lousy job there, which is weird considering he rates better in polls.
                  No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                  To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                  • Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                    When the economy is the topic it usually means the current incumbent is doing a lousy job there, which is weird considering he rates better in polls.

                    Not so weird since our media lost its integrity and has failed to hold Barry/Barrack to any level of scrutiny. He is indeed doing a lousy job on the economy, which is our primary concern. He has essentially told us in press conferences it won't get much better. I'd rather take my chances with a well-proven businessman than our current President (a failed lawyer who never supervised, managed, or led anything before becoming President).
                    Last edited by McFire; 23 Sep 12,, 01:05. Reason: typo
                    "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams

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                    • Originally posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
                      .
                      If you liked Bush's advisors you'll like Romneys.
                      For example, Robert Bork on judicial appointments . . .
                      Trust me?
                      I'm an economist!

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                      • Originally posted by dalem View Post
                        :)

                        And just the day after that dwm guy goes on his cruise...

                        Rosie, are you SURE you're not in West Virginia? :)

                        -dale
                        I'm quite sure I'm not Rosie. I am sure I'm in West Virginia.

                        ;)

                        Carry on...

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                        • Originally posted by dmwnc1959 View Post
                          I'm quite sure I'm not Rosie. I am sure I'm in West Virginia.

                          ;)

                          Carry on...
                          O come on - that's all we get?

                          -dale

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                          • Originally posted by dalem View Post
                            O come on - that's all we get?

                            -dale
                            ;):)

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                            • P.S. Got me some new bumper stickers ordered...



                              Carry on...again...;)

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                              • You have some reaaaaaaallly big bumper.
                                No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                                To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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