2012 Presidential Election - The Ups and Downs

[dalem]

I just watched the clip of the Dem delegates booing the re-inclusion of DNC party planks affirming religion and Israeli support, voice-voting in the negative, then the clown on stage lying about it being an affirmative vote.

That's YOUR party, Dems. Stay classy, as always.

-dale

[gunnut]

I just thought it's great to have an alleged rapist, who was only the 2nd president to have been impeached, and disbarred for contempt of court, as the biggest star of the convention. Imagine that!

Then a pasty white woman who lied about her Native American heritage in order to take advantage of the system, took center stage.

And who could forget the hero of these crooks, Edward "drunken killer" Kennedy, whose name was invoked as if he were a saint, fighting to save the life of a woman drowning in his car....oh wait...he left her there to die.

I only wish FDR were in office when 9-11 happened, instead of that racist cowboy George Bush. If he could, Bush would have put American citizens in concentration camps without due proc...oh wait, that was Roosevelt who put American citizens into concentration camps simply because they had weird surnames, all without due process. Yes kids, that actually happened. Imagine that, a racist democrat! How refreshing.

I do applaud Obama's handling of our "overseas contingency operation." He used high tech drones and executed terrorists with extreme prejudice. Why...some of those terrorists were even American citizens, not in the process of imminet threat to other American lives. Due process seems to have gone out the window when a democrat is in the White House.

[gunnut]

I almost want to see Obama gets re-elected. I want to watch him go through another 4 years of the same old "woe is me" and "it's Bush's fault" when he tries in vein to repeal the law of economics.

I see it this way: I win this election no matter who gets in.

Romney wins, great. Obama is no longer in office and we might have a chance to turn this country around.

Obama wins, great. I get to watch the dems destroy this country with no one else to blame. They could blame Bush, but anyone with an ounce of brain already knows Obama owns this mess now.

Life is good!

[dalem]

Wow, gunny, talk about finding a silver lining... :)

But that's an interesting point you raise. If Obama were to win he would not change his politics and would in fact get even more socialist/lefty. Assuming no change in Congress he'd still be stymied in the House, so tons more executive orders, and an economy still stumbling on its knees. Four more years of that, four more years of the TA in Chief...

-shiver-

-dale

[Firestorm]

Interesting article in Business Insider. I'm guessing this is on topic since the Democrats decided to bring in Clinton to speak at the DNC, presumably because his reign is remembered as being one of the high points of the American economy.

The Untold Story Of How Clinton's Budget Destroyed The American Economy

[gunnut]

Interesting article in Business Insider. I'm guessing this is on topic since the Democrats decided to bring in Clinton to speak at the DNC, presumably because his reign is remembered as being one of the high points of the American economy.

The Untold Story Of How Clinton's Budget Destroyed The American Economy

You mean my rant here is actually based on fact? with theories and graphs to back it up?

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/ame...tml#post884125



I gotta come up with more rants...

[astralis]

from a brief read, it's not a very good analysis-- it's way too incomplete, not accounting for variables such as the stalling of income growth among the middle class, financial sector speculation, and technology sector speculation.

if you take the article's conclusions all the way, then it follows that the key to resolving the household debt issue and increase household savings rate is high trade tariffs and high levels of government spending...and that having a big deficit is good. somehow i don't think republicans will hail this article...:)

[JAD_333]

Defiant to the end.

Eastwood Says He Balked at Sharing Speech With Romney Campaign - NYTimes.com

Mr. Eastwood said that the Romney campaign had asked for details about what he would say, but that he balked at the notion of divulging too much or rehearsing his speech.

“They vet most of the people, but I told them, ‘You can’t do that with me, because I don’t know what I’m going to say,’” Mr. Eastwood told The Pine Cone.

He explained to the newspaper why he spoke for about twice his allotted time. The Romney campaign had limited his remarks to about five minutes, he said, but “when people are applauding so much, it takes you 10 minutes to say five minutes’ worth.”

He said he was aware that his approach was unusual, but argued it was in keeping with the way he gave speeches as mayor of Carmel-by-the-Sea.

“They’ve got this crazy actor who’s 82 years old up there in a suit,” he said. “I was a mayor, and they’re probably thinking I know how to give a speech, but even when I was mayor I never gave speeches. I gave talks.”

[Roosveltrepub]

I just watched the clip of the Dem delegates booing the re-inclusion of DNC party planks affirming religion and Israeli support, voice-voting in the negative, then the clown on stage lying about it being an affirmative vote.

That's YOUR party, Dems. Stay classy, as always.

-dale

It wasn't support for Israel irt was support for a change in the israeli capital from Tel Aviv. It also wasn't about religon it was about "God". Myself I think a brief bit of research would lead you to believe the actual unusual platform is the republican one peppered with as many references to God as an iranian religous party and also peppered with more references than every republican platfor since 1856. I assume you know you count the number of times God was mentioned in a party platform pre 1980 without the use of a concept given us by Isalmic mathamaticans?Timeline: The Religious Right and The Republican Platform | BillMoyers.com Now, in the ultimate case of irony Romney is talking about God on our coins as if Obama the devout christian will remove the reference whixh isa innocuous as it is in a party paltform, since God really doesn't need republican support if he exists does he?..... or as if Jesus Christ had any interest in things bearing Ceaser's image

Now, we have a party platform stating there is a war on religon in the USA?????? What a load of crap unless you are talking about the mosque bombings and nazi graphitti on jewish temples it's paranoid nonsense

Now, do you really think inclusion of a word not found in our constituion compares to a nominee and a VP nominee never mentioning the war we are actually fighting?


Anyway, not much going on anywaty the election is shaping up to be a blowout by any measurement except media coverage because in our modern society News is for ratings not information and less folks watch if it isn't a nailbiter....this is a nailbiter like 2008 and 2004. Obama will have over 300 electoral votes on the first wed AM in Nov short of some huge event

[Roosveltrepub]

from a brief read, it's not a very good analysis-- it's way too incomplete, not accounting for variables such as the stalling of income growth among the middle class, financial sector speculation, and technology sector speculation.

if you take the article's conclusions all the way, then it follows that the key to resolving the household debt issue and increase household savings rate is high trade tariffs and high levels of government spending...and that having a big deficit is good. somehow i don't think republicans will hail this article...:)

One thing that is clear given the huge increase in earnings at the high end is putting more money in the hands of the wealthy through tax cuts is hardly a job creating mechanism. If it were we wouldnt have an unemployment problem given the near double digit rate of income growth by high earners. Seems to me the claim putting money in the hands of the wealthy to grow the economy is a republican straw man of epic proportions at least as fallacious as the idea of increasing debt and increasing tariffs is. Perhaps we should look at what countries do that have systems where wages grow and people are more likely to rise out of poverty......

[dalem]

It wasn't support for Israel irt was support for a change in the israeli capital from Tel Aviv. It also wasn't about religon it was about "God".

I think that agreeing with the Israelis that their capital city is Jerusalem as opposed to agreeing with the pro-Palestinian UN that it's really Tel Aviv can be counted as "support for Israel". I'm going to go ahead and give myself that one.

And I think references to "God" with the capital "G" can be safely inferred to involve the idea of religion. I'm also going to go ahead and give myself that one.

Myself I think a brief bit of research would lead you to believe the actual unusual platform is the republican one peppered with as many references to God as an iranian religous party and also peppered with more references than every republican platfor since 1856. I assume you know you count the number of times God was mentioned in a party platform pre 1980 without the use of a concept given us by Isalmic mathamaticans?Timeline: The Religious Right and The Republican Platform | BillMoyers.com Now, in the ultimate case of irony Romney is talking about God on our coins as if Obama the devout christian will remove the reference whixh isa innocuous as it is in a party paltform, since God really doesn't need republican support if he exists does he?..... or as if Jesus Christ had any interest in things bearing Ceaser's image

Now, we have a party platform stating there is a war on religon in the USA?????? What a load of crap unless you are talking about the mosque bombings and nazi graphitti on jewish temples it's paranoid nonsense

Now, do you really think inclusion of a word not found in our constituion compares to a nominee and a VP nominee never mentioning the war we are actually fighting?

I don't know what any of that means, but how do you feel about the "floor vote" being so silly and transparently useless? To me it's just an indicator that conventions (on both sides) are pretty silly affairs, at least as far as party mechanics are concerned, and that the Dems certainly screwed theirs up this year.

Anyway, not much going on anywaty the election is shaping up to be a blowout by any measurement except media coverage because in our modern society News is for ratings not information and less folks watch if it isn't a nailbiter....this is a nailbiter like 2008 and 2004. Obama will have over 300 electoral votes on the first wed AM in Nov short of some huge event

Wow, you're going with the Nate Silver electoral map? Interesting. At this point it's Romney's to lose, IMO.

-dale

[JAD_333]

Now, we have a [GOP] party platform stating there is a war on religon in the USA?????? What a load of crap unless you are talking about the mosque bombings and nazi graphitti on jewish temples it's paranoid nonsense

Either you are thinking in terms of physical attacks or have been asleep the last 30 years. Religion is very much under attack and has been for years, but in more recent times the concept of God has come in for special attack by militant atheists, the ACLU and other groups who don't want any reference to God on anything whatsoever to do with government, whether it be on coins, building, or in pronouncements, to name a few.

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..God really doesn't need republican support if he exists does he?..... or as if Jesus Christ had any interest in things bearing Ceaser's image

You got it wrong. Jesus felt people should pay their earthly taxes.."render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" God is a universal concept belonging to all monotheistic religions. The concept is simply that there is a higher power than man. Not being religious myself, I rather think it is good for us in all aspects of our society to acknowledge this fact, lest we get to thinking we're omnipotent and make fools out of ourselves. A little humility is healthy.

Now, do you really think inclusion of a word not found in our constituion compares to a nominee and a VP nominee never mentioning the war we are actually fighting?

Frankly, I think it all much about nothing. But, maybe you can explain why the dem funny squad brought up the absence of mention of Afghanistan
by name as if it signaled some nefarious policy direction? Read the speech; he refers to it, but not by name.

Anyway, not much going on anywaty the election is shaping up to be a blowout by any measurement except media coverage because in our modern society News is for ratings not information and less folks watch if it isn't a nailbiter....this is a nailbiter like 2008 and 2004. Obama will have over 300 electoral votes on the first wed AM in Nov short of some huge event

The media could just as well go the underdog route and keep their ratings. They could paint Romney as the Rocky Balboa of the campaign and people would love it. Do viewers turn off the football game with 2 minutes left because one side is down 7 points? You bet they don't. The reason the media is playing it close--this may shock you--is because the election IS close.

[Roosveltrepub]

Either you are thinking in terms of physical attacks or have been asleep the last 30 years. Religion is very much under attack and has been for years, but in more recent times the concept of God has come in for special attack by militant atheists, the ACLU and other groups who don't want any reference to God on anything whatsoever to do with government, whether it be on coins, building, or in pronouncements, to name a few.

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You got it wrong. Jesus felt people should pay their earthly taxes.."render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" God is a universal concept belonging to all monotheistic religions. The concept is simply that there is a higher power than man. Not being religious myself, I rather think it is good for us in all aspects of our society to acknowledge this fact, lest we get to thinking we're omnipotent and make fools out of ourselves. A little humility is healthy.






Frankly, I think it all much about nothing. But, maybe you can explain why the dem funny squad brought up the absence of mention of Afghanistan
by name as if it signaled some nefarious policy direction? Read the speech; he refers to it, but not by name.



The media could just as well go the underdog route and keep their ratings. They could paint Romney as the Rocky Balboa of the campaign and people would love it. Do viewers turn off the football game with 2 minutes left because one side is down 7 points? You bet they don't. The reason the media is playing it close--this may shock you--is because the election IS close.

Please give me an example of God being less pervasive in ur society than 25 yrs ago? He went unmentioned in a political platform till 1980..... why? because religon used to be a private matter no a test of ones ability to govern

[Roosveltrepub]

Either you are thinking in terms of physical attacks or have been asleep the last 30 years. Religion is very much under attack and has been for years, but in more recent times the concept of God has come in for special attack by militant atheists, the ACLU and other groups who don't want any reference to God on anything whatsoever to do with government, whether it be on coins, building, or in pronouncements, to name a few.

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You got it wrong. Jesus felt people should pay their earthly taxes.."render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" God is a universal concept belonging to all monotheistic religions. The concept is simply that there is a higher power than man. Not being religious myself, I rather think it is good for us in all aspects of our society to acknowledge this fact, lest we get to thinking we're omnipotent and make fools out of ourselves. A little humility is healthy.






Frankly, I think it all much about nothing. But, maybe you can explain why the dem funny squad brought up the absence of mention of Afghanistan
by name as if it signaled some nefarious policy direction? Read the speech; he refers to it, but not by name.



The media could just as well go the underdog route and keep their ratings. They could paint Romney as the Rocky Balboa of the campaign and people would love it. Do viewers turn off the football game with 2 minutes left because one side is down 7 points? You bet they don't. The reason the media is playing it close--this may shock you--is because the election IS close.

Oh i think it's close kind of like Kerry vs Bush close Election Forecasts - FiveThirtyEight Blog - NYTimes.com 49 of 50 states in 2008 right

[Bigfella]

Oh i think it's close kind of like Kerry vs Bush close Election Forecasts - FiveThirtyEight Blog - NYTimes.com 49 of 50 states in 2008 right

Gallup thinks much the same:

The pattern of lackluster convention bounces this year is reminiscent of the 2004 campaign, when John Kerry challenged incumbent George W. Bush for the presidency. Bush had approval ratings similar to Obama's, near 50%. Kerry and Bush were essentially tied for much of the campaign. Kerry received no bounce from his convention, while Bush got a small bounce, which propelled Bush into a lead after the two had been essentially even during most of the campaign

Obama Gets Three-Point Convention Bounce

Gallup, Fivethirtyeight & RCP all have Obama widening his slim lead after the convention. Romney got little to no bounce, Obama a small one. This will be close, but 2 months out & with record numbers of voters having already decided Obama is not only ahead nationally, he is in a solid position in the electoral college. This is far from over, but does Romney have many more shots in the locker?

On a related note, apparently the GOP might also struggle to win a senate majority. This is going to be a fascinating election.