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  • Originally posted by dalem View Post
    I'm curious: do your parents understand how low their profession is judged by so many people?

    -dale
    Originally posted by astralis View Post
    son of TAIWANESE journos. taiwanese media has an even lower reputation there than it does in the US...
    Well, they thought a lot of the people they worked for/with/against were idiots, ignoramuses and hacks. I am sure their fond regard for each other is reciprocal. They are celebrating sweet retirement.
    All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
    -Talmud Kohelet Rabbah, 7:16.

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    • at the risk of a short thread hijacking...

      triple C,

      Well, they thought a lot of the people they worked for/with/against were idiots, ignoramuses and hacks.
      congrats on their retirement...it seems to have gotten worse and worse over the years, so i'm thinking the few decent folks, probably like your parents, have gotten out.

      this is what it's like today:

      Idiocy of Taiwan News Reporters (News of Japan Earthquake and Tsunami)

      last time i was there i remember watching the news about body parts/insects found in toothpaste; a few days later the channel admitted they made up the news...
      Last edited by astralis; 05 Aug 12,, 17:57.
      There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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      • Originally posted by dalem View Post
        I'm curious: do your parents understand how low their profession is judged by so many people?

        -dale
        I'm curious: who exactly judges journalism to be a low profession? I have heard politicians, bankers, real estate agents, lawyers, used car salesmen and even dentists and principals, but not journos.

        Is this one of those tea-party insider things?

        http://www.onlinedegreeprograms.com/...on-the-planet/

        http://careerplanning.about.com/od/o...rofessions.htm
        "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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        • Originally posted by antimony View Post
          I'm curious: who exactly judges journalism to be a low profession? I have heard politicians, bankers, real estate agents, lawyers, used car salesmen and even dentists and principals, but not journos.

          Is this one of those tea-party insider things?

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          Probably more a conservative thing than not, sure.

          -dale

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          • Originally posted by Triple C View Post

            I am not sure it is fair to characterize Krugman of subordinating his column to the Obama agenda. Krugman had been very vocal about Obama's weak commitment to Keynesian economics, especially in what he perceived as inadequate stimulus spending and the compromised 2011 budget which would include steep spending cuts. Considering the GOP's position on those issues, it would be strange for him not to attack the GOP.
            As for how convincing his arguments were, I don't think that topic is something in which most people are willing to change their minds about. =)
            Triple:

            I was speaking of columnists in general. I don't believe Krugman gets his marching orders from Obama, or he wouldn't have criticized Obama for being a closet centrist. My beef with him is that he uses economics to justify his liberal sentiments. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Keynesian economics isn't a sure way to recovery.
            To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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            • This is one celebrity endorsement I respect.

              BBC News - Clint Eastwood endorses Mitt Romney for president
              To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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              • Ted Cruz

                The story of how Ted Cruz came from nowhere to beat Texas Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst in the state GOP senate primary is pretty amaziing, but his victory in itself ought to give Obama some concern. Although Texas is considered a shoo-in red state, the large turn out against an establishment figure signals the massive discontent among voters for incumbents. Whether the mood will spread to other states remains to be seen. Of course, we got a dose of it in the 2010 Congressional elections. People who think 2010 was an aberration--I was one of them--may be in for a surprise this fall.
                To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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                • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                  at the risk of a short thread hijacking...

                  triple C,



                  congrats on their retirement...it seems to have gotten worse and worse over the years, so i'm thinking the few decent folks, probably like your parents, have gotten out.

                  this is what it's like today:

                  Idiocy of Taiwan News Reporters (News of Japan Earthquake and Tsunami)

                  last time i was there i remember watching the news about body parts/insects found in toothpaste; a few days later the channel admitted they made up the news...
                  I don't know if I want to watch it.
                  All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
                  -Talmud Kohelet Rabbah, 7:16.

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                  • JAD,

                    My beef with him is that he uses economics to justify his liberal sentiments. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Keynesian economics isn't a sure way to recovery.
                    yet krugman was a keynesian before he was a liberal. in fact, he was a NEO-keynesian (the more conservative type of keynesian) until 1997, whereupon the asian crisis turned him into an old-skool keynesian.

                    and according to him, he only became a political liberal in 2000-2001, when according to him the bush administration used a lot of economic/political chicanery and fact-hiding to push through the 2001 tax cuts. his position solidified in 2003 when according to him the administration used many of the same tactics in pushing for the iraq war.

                    i agree with shek that krugman is something of a jekyll and hyde. his economic analysis is excellent-- throughout this crisis, his predictions regarding growth, inflation (or rather lack thereof) have been absolutely spot on. but it's problematic when he openly dives into politics while using his economic mantle.

                    actually, it'll be interesting to see the positions he'll take when the recovery is finally under way. to the extent that his political liberalism matches with keynesianism, they both advocate greater government intervention when times are bad. the flip side is that keynesianism also dictates that government cuts back when times are good...so we'll see which impulse trumps the other then!
                    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                    • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                      JAD,



                      yet krugman was a keynesian before he was a liberal. in fact, he was a NEO-keynesian (the more conservative type of keynesian) until 1997, whereupon the asian crisis turned him into an old-skool keynesian.

                      and according to him, he only became a political liberal in 2000-2001, when according to him the bush administration used a lot of economic/political chicanery and fact-hiding to push through the 2001 tax cuts. his position solidified in 2003 when according to him the administration used many of the same tactics in pushing for the iraq war.
                      lol...Politicians drive economists, engineers and pragmatists nuts. They just can't understand why politicians sometimes ignore or attack their facts and figures. After all, isn't what works all that matters? Nope. Sometimes building public support is more important--to a politician.

                      i agree with shek that krugman is something of a jekyll and hyde. his economic analysis is excellent-- throughout this crisis, his predictions regarding growth, inflation (or rather lack thereof) have been absolutely spot on. but it's problematic when he openly dives into politics while using his economic mantle.
                      I watched him debate some EU technocrats. It was pretty acrimonious, but one thing that stood out was his admiration for the social safety net of the EU countries, which he feared the austerity approach would damage. I couldn't tell if he was speaking from pragmatism or from a bleeding heart, but it could have been either.
                      To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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                      • Did Reid Lie

                        Reid stood up in the Senate chamber and claimed a credible source told him that Romney did not pay taxes for 10 years.

                        One hour of staff time would have been all he needed to conclude that the claim was probably false.

                        He brought shame on himself and disrespect for the Senate.

                        Was he tricked into making the statement? Possibly. In any event, he played right into GOP hands by making a claim he can't back up and did much to damage the already strained credibility of Obama's strategy of attacking Romney personally.

                        http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-him-mitt-rom/
                        To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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                        • Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
                          Reid stood up in the Senate chamber and claimed a credible source told him that Romney did not pay taxes for 10 years.

                          One hour of staff time would have been all he needed to conclude that the claim was probably false.

                          He brought shame on himself and disrespect for the Senate.

                          Was he tricked into making the statement? Possibly. In any event, he played right into GOP hands by making a claim he can't back up and did much to damage the already strained credibility of Obama's strategy of attacking Romney personally.

                          PolitiFact | Harry Reid says anonymous source told him Mitt Romney didn't pay taxes for 10 years
                          He's taking a pretty hard stance about it for someone who's been tricked. I think Reid is just as he shows - a bloodcurdlingly stupid, stupid man with no scruples.

                          -dale

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                          • Originally posted by dalem View Post
                            He's taking a pretty hard stance about it for someone who's been tricked. I think Reid is just as he shows - a bloodcurdlingly stupid, stupid man with no scruples.

                            -dale
                            I'm inclined to agree with you. What gets me is this stupid game of 'I say you did this; now prove I'm wrong.'
                            To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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                            • Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
                              I'm inclined to agree with you. What gets me is this stupid game of 'I say you did this; now prove I'm wrong.'
                              Jon Stewart, true to form, dumped a load on Reid for this:

                              http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/we...--are-terrible
                              "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                              • Originally posted by antimony View Post
                                Jon Stewart, true to form, dumped a load on Reid for this:

                                http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/we...--are-terrible
                                You know it's bad when Stewart dumps on a Democrat.
                                To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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