Lockstep

[Blue]

You may be better armed, but I'm much more charming - and if I can shed a few more pounds more handsome too...;)

(plus I got a bigger CD collection - never underestimate the power of a good tune to stir the masses )

I know!! Just plug in some motley crue and charge up your mk19 or m-60 and watch the masses retreat. Its good you understand crowd control.;)

[zraver]

Couldn't have said it better myself.....except for the very last part, which I may be misconstrueing.

Well if you look at the Democrats base you see a bunch of groups that feel or are denied equal access to the ladder of social mobility. This makes them easy targets for pandering- vote us and we'll give you other peoples money.

[zraver]

I know!! Just plug in some motley crue and charge up your mk19 or m-60 and watch the masses retreat. Its good you understand crowd control.;)

Metallica: Four Horsemen, Damage inc, battery, whiplash... Limp Bizkit: breakstuff ACDC: Back in Black Megadeath: Peace Sells Anthrax: I am the Law

[Bigfella]

Well if you look at the Democrats base you see a bunch of groups that feel or are denied equal access to the ladder of social mobility. This makes them easy targets for pandering- vote us and we'll give you other peoples money.

Z,

I agree with most of what you said in your last post & there is certainly some truth to what you have said here, but I would argue that having pointed out the issue you have only partially described the pitch. No doubt there are promises of 'other people's money', but pitching to the ambitions of those who feel locked out is a bit more than that. it is also convincing people that they can provide that access, either by creating access to the ladder or by stopping others from blocking it. There are also voters for whom the appeal is their version of 'keep government out of my life', in much the same way that some conservative voters lean GOP in the belief that it will keep government out of the aspect of their lives where they want it gone.

[Blue]

Well if you look at the Democrats base you see a bunch of groups that feel or are denied equal access to the ladder of social mobility. This makes them easy targets for pandering- vote us and we'll give you other peoples money.

Yeah, I re-read....things look different before you've had a dozen beers. I'm sober posting at the moment. So yeah, I'm back in lockstep.:tankie:

[Blue]

Metallica: Four Horsemen, Damage inc, battery, whiplash... Limp Bizkit: breakstuff ACDC: Back in Black Megadeath: Peace Sells Anthrax: I am the Law

A gunners top 40 hits.:tank:

I forgot to add for whom the bell tolls from metallica....breakstuff is an anthem.

[zraver]

A gunners top 40 hits.:tank:

Yup

[zraver]

Z,

I agree with most of what you said in your last post & there is certainly some truth to what you have said here, but I would argue that having pointed out the issue you have only partially described the pitch. No doubt there are promises of 'other people's money', but pitching to the ambitions of those who feel locked out is a bit more than that.

For many of the groups there is nothing else to it, not anymore. The promise of access and mobility has been replaced with payments in kind. This is especially true with age and ethnic groups.

it is also convincing people that they can provide that access, either by creating access to the ladder or by stopping others from blocking it.

With the exception of just a few groups, I think I dissagree. Most of the groups that need access, now get payments in kind instead.

There are also voters for whom the appeal is their version of 'keep government out of my life', in much the same way that some conservative voters lean GOP in the belief that it will keep government out of the aspect of their lives where they want it gone.

Principally among these would be gays, but this group tends to stand apart as better educated and wealthier than the national average so access is the only thing the Democrats can promise.

[DOR]

DOR,

hate to be you when some FTA comes into negotiation. you got both sides hating on you!
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I call it middle-of-the-road . . .

[zraver]

A gunners top 40 hits.:tank:

I forgot to add for whom the bell tolls from metallica....breakstuff is an anthem.

That song [breakstuff] rocks when you need to drive fast

[Roosveltrepub]

Well if you look at the Democrats base you see a bunch of groups that feel or are denied equal access to the ladder of social mobility. This makes them easy targets for pandering- vote us and we'll give you other peoples money.

While there are constituancies that feel entitled to a handout. They aren't exclusive to the democrat party. The republican party has other groups that believe they deserve special treatment unafforded most taxpayers. the fact equity firms and hedge fund managers have purchased the best tax loopholes money can buy is one example. Don't you wish someone would declare your salary capital gains income despite none of it actually being earnings on your capital investments. Carlyle Group, Bain Capital, And The Tax Treatment Of 'The Carry' - Forbes. It's an entitlement bought and paid for and costs the treasury billions and it's intrinsically no different in nature than a real estate commison

Farm subsidies, unpaid and under reported royalties, the shameless bonuses wall st shelled out we financed, the huge earnings shell game the fed ran with investment banks loaning them money so they could reap huge earnings reinvesting that money in treasuries. The fact is we have wide swaths of poor democrats and rich republicans looking for special treatment and believing themselves entitled to treatment most of us find disgusting. I think both parties have a special interest problem.