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  • Originally posted by troung
    Like the United States, Mexico is becoming reliant on immigrant labor. Last year, then-director of Mexico's immigration agency, Magdalena Carral, said an increasing number of Central Americans were staying in Mexico, rather than just passing through on their way to the U.S.
    She said sectors of the Mexican economy facing labor shortages often use undocumented workers because the legal process for work visas is inefficient.
    WTF?? Are they kidding?? I dont know why Mexicans illegally come to the US then!!
    A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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    • Hey...maybe we should move to Canada...
      "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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      • Originally posted by gunnut
        Hey...maybe we should move to Canada...
        They dont have that many jobs, seriously and think about medicare
        A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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        • Originally posted by gunnut
          Hey...maybe we should move to Canada...
          next stop the Arctic
          In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

          Leibniz

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          • "I was born an American; I will live an American; I shall die an American."
            ~ Daniel Webster

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            • Tell me why Mexico is our "friend" again?

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              • I don't have many problems with Mexicans. I have a problem with their government. That government is the source of misery for 400 million people.
                "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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                • Originally posted by gunnut
                  That government is the source of misery for 400 million people.
                  I think that pretty much sums it up.
                  The misery and hazards that immigrants face on the dangerous trek to the United States can be blamed squarely on a government that all but puts up lighted signs pointing Norte ------> .

                  Interesting article here:
                  http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=11402
                  Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                  • 9 illegal aliens Die While Fleeing Arizona Border Patrol

                    9 illegal aliens Die While Fleeing Arizona Border Patrol

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                    Five of the injured, including a pregnant woman, were in critical condition, most with head trauma, hospital officials said.

                    The Chevy Suburban was carrying up to 22 peoplewhen the driver had tried to circumvent a checkpoint on the highway, Border Patrol spokesman Lloyd Frers said.

                    With Border Patrol agents in pursuit, the driver attempted to make a U-Turn and rolled over, Frers said. He did not know has fast either vechicle was traveling.

                    "It's pretty obvious to anybody who looks at it that it was more than likely a smuggling load...and they were more than likely from Mexico," Frers said.

                    Sheriff's Maj. Leon Wilmont said a car had swerved to avoid a spike strip put out by Border Patrol agents. Border Patrol spokeswoman Agent Veronica Lozano said she didn't know whether agents put out the device.

                    Scores of illegal immigrants (aliens) die each year while crossing the Mexican border into Arizona, many in car crashes. Smugglers often flee from authorities at high speeds or overloaded vechicles, which maked them more difficult to control.

                    "They just pile in; they're like sardines," Frers said. "It's unfortunate".

                    Agents are generally required to follow a "non-pursuit" policy, meaning they must follow a suspect vechicle at a distance unless the driver commits a traffic violation, siad T.J. Bonner, who heads a union representing Border Patrol Agents. After a traffic violation, a supervisor can authorize a pursuit.

                    "Now that you have so many more people making the journey throught those godforsaken areas, it's only natural that your'e going to have more fatalities," Bonner said.

                    Three of the injured were at Yuma Regional Medical Center, including one in serious condition, spokeswoman Machele Headington said. The conditions of the others were not known. Three others were treated and released to the custody of the Border Patrol, she said.

                    The five critically injured victims were transferred to a Phoenix hospital, along with a sixth who was in good conditon, officials said.

                    The Yuma County Sheriff's Office was invetigating the crash, while Immigration and Custims Enforcement was investigating immigration-related aspects.

                    Nationwide, at least 291 illegal Immigrants (aliens) have died during border crossing attempts from Oct 1 throught Sunday, Border Patrol spokesman Gustavo Soto said. That includes 75 deaths due to heat exposure, 45 drownings, and 42 motor vechicle accidents.

                    Additionally, the skelatal remains of another 63 people have been found along the nations borders.

                    In the Yuma sector, which spans 118 miles of land in Arizona and California, 20 illegal immigrants (aliens) had died through Sunday and another six skelatal remains had been found, Soto said.

                    The Yuma area, a sandy stretch of desert in southwestern Arizona, has become the nations busiest immigrant-smuggling (alien) hotspot. Prseident Bush visited the area in May as part of his push for a sweeping overhaul of immigration laws.

                    After a crackdown on illegal border crossing, the Border Patrol's Yuma sector reported a 48% drop in migrant (alien) arrests - from 11,522 in June 2005 to 6,030 in June this year.

                    Associated Press writers Amanda Myers, Pauline Arrillaga and Paul Davenport in Phoenix and Arthur rostein in Tucson contributed to this report.

                    copyright2006 Newsday Inc.
                    To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                    • Originally posted by troung
                      ...The five critically injured victims were transferred to a Phoenix hospital, along with a sixth who was in good conditon, officials said.
                      I'm sure they'll have the money to pay their hospital bills....
                      "We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008

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                      • Insult to injury

                        My first thought was that 22 people in a Suburban sure violates the seatbelt law. I guess that will be just one of the long list of charges filed.
                        Reddite igitur quae sunt Caesaris Caesari et quae sunt Dei Deo
                        (Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things which are God's)

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                        • Mexico: Plan for border fence 'deplorable'

                          Mexico: Plan for border fence 'deplorable'

                          POSTED: 1:48 p.m. EDT, October 6, 2006


                          TIJUANA, Mexico (AP) -- Mexico lobbied for six years for a comprehensive immigration reform that would allow millions to cross into the United States legally. Instead, they're getting a fence.
                          Mexicans, from leading politicians to migrants preparing to cross illegally, consider the U.S. plan to fence off much of the border shameful, offensive and ill-conceived.
                          President Bush on Wednesday signed a bill that would allot $1.2 billion for hundreds of miles of fencing along the U.S.-Mexican border and for more vehicle barriers, lighting and infrared cameras.
                          But migrants resting at a Tijuana shelter after being deported from the United States said more walls wouldn't deter them. Alfonso Martinez, a 32-year-old from southern Mexico, had been working as a farmhand for six months in Vista, California, when he was arrested and deported last week.
                          "Wall or no wall, I will try at least three times," said Martinez, who said he would try to cross by himself through Tecate, a mountainous town about 35 miles east of Tijuana. "I have three girls that I have to support, and in Mexico there is no work."
                          The Mexican government and Mexican immigrants in the United States have lobbied lawmakers for more ways to cross the border and work legally.
                          While Bush had proposed a temporary worker program, it did not garner enough support in Congress for passage. The idea has been dropped by Washington, at least until after the November congressional elections.
                          Congress focused on security over immigration, arguing the porous border could be used by terrorists who want to sneak into the United States undetected. There is no evidence that has happened, however.
                          The Mexican government this week sent a diplomatic note to Washington criticizing the plan for 700 miles of new fencing along the border. Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez called it an "offense" and said Wednesday his office was considering taking the issue to the United Nations.
                          But Ruben Aguilar, the spokesman for Mexican President Vicente Fox, said Thursday that Mexico had ruled out that possibility. He added he was "confident" the additional fencing would never become a reality because an immigration accord would eventually replace it.
                          President-elect Felipe Calderon Thursday criticized the U.S. plan, but said the case is a bilateral issue that should not be taken to any international organization.
                          "I think it is a deplorable decision that has been made by the United States Congress for the construction of this wall, and it does not solve our common problem, which is emigration," Calderon told a news conference in Santiago, Chile.
                          Guillermo Alonzo, a migration expert at the Tijuana-based Colegio de La Frontera Norte, said fences will force migrants to look find new routes into the United States through more dangerous terrain.
                          "When migrants are determined to cross, they find a way to jump the fences," Alonzo said. "Walls don't stop anything."
                          Alonzo cited the construction of a fence between Tijuana and San Diego, known in Mexico as "the tortilla wall." It was completed in the 1990s and forced migrants into the sparsely populated and dangerous Arizona desert.
                          While there are walls at various points along the border, the one in Tijuana is the longest stretch, running 14 miles west from the Otay border crossing to the Pacific Ocean.
                          The wall is a symbol of the divisive immigration issue. It has become a kind of shrine marked with graffiti, crosses, photos and remembrances of those who have lost their lives trying to sneak into the United States. Some families divided by the border even meet at the fence, talking through the metal wires.
                          While the wall reduced the amount of illegal migration from Tijuana, migrants continue to use the city as a jumping-off-point when crossing the border, Alonzo said.
                          "Now smugglers hide migrants in trunks of cars or get false documents," he said.
                          Luis Kendzierski, a priest who directs a Tijuana migrant shelter, said building a wall is an unfriendly gesture that will lead to a hike in smugglers' fees and more migrant deaths.
                          Between 2001 and 2006, almost 2,000 migrants died while trying to sneak into the United States, according to El Colegio de la Frontera Norte.
                          "We are supposed to be neighbors and friends, and instead of building bridges and doors, we're building obstacles," Kendzierski said.


                          http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html
                          To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                          • http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15149231/

                            In border fence’s path, legislative roadblocks
                            Loopholes mean fence may never be built, at least not as advertised
                            By Spencer S. Hsu
                            The Washington Post

                            Updated: 5:25 a.m. ET Oct 6, 2006
                            No sooner did Congress authorize construction of a 700-mile fence on the U.S.-Mexico border last week than lawmakers rushed to approve separate legislation that ensures it will never be built, at least not as advertised, according to Republican lawmakers and immigration experts.

                            GOP leaders have singled out the fence as one of the primary accomplishments of the recently completed session. Many lawmakers plan to highlight their $1.2 billion down payment on its construction as they campaign in the weeks before the midterm elections.

                            But shortly before recessing late Friday, the House and Senate gave the Bush administration leeway to distribute the money to a combination of projects -- not just the physical barrier along the southern border. The funds may also be spent on roads, technology and "tactical infrastructure" to support the Department of Homeland Security's preferred option of a "virtual fence."

                            What's more, in a late-night concession to win over wavering Republicans, GOP congressional leaders pledged in writing that Native American tribes, members of Congress, governors and local leaders would get a say in "the exact placement" of any structure, and that Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff would have the flexibility to use alternatives "when fencing is ineffective or impractical."

                            The loopholes leave the Bush administration with authority to decide where, when and how long a fence will be built, except for small stretches east of San Diego and in western Arizona. Homeland Security officials have proposed a fence half as long, lawmakers said.

                            "It's one thing to authorize. It's another thing to actually appropriate the money and do it," said Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.). The fine-print distinction between what Congress says it will do and what it actually pays for is a time-honored result of the checks and balances between lawmakers who oversee agencies and those who hold their purse strings.

                            Political calculations
                            In this case, it also reflects political calculations by GOP strategists that voters do not mind the details, and that key players -- including the administration, local leaders and the Mexican government -- oppose a fence-only approach, analysts said.

                            President Bush signed the $34.8 billion homeland security budget bill Wednesday in Scottsdale, Ariz., without referring to the 700-mile barrier. Instead, he highlighted the $1.2 billion that Congress provided for an unspecified blend of fencing, vehicle barriers, lighting and technology such as ground-based radar, cameras and sensors.

                            "That's what the people of this country want," the president said. "They want to know that we're modernizing the border so we can better secure the border."

                            Bush and Chertoff have said repeatedly that enforcement alone will not work and that they want limited dollars spent elsewhere, such as on a temporary-worker program to ease pressure on the border. At an estimated $3 million to $10 million per mile, the double-layered barrier will cost considerably more than $1.2 billion.

                            Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), who chairs the Senate subcommittee that funds the Department of Homeland Security, said that before the legislation was approved, the department had planned to build 320 miles of fencing, secure 500 miles of hard-to-traverse areas by blocking roads and monitor electronically the rest of the 2,000-mile-long southern frontier.

                            "I think there'll be fencing where the department feels that it makes sense," Gregg said, estimating that "at least 300 to 400 miles" will be built.

                            Congress withheld $950 million of the $1.2 billion, pending a breakdown by Chertoff of how he plans to spend the money. It is due in early December, after the midterm elections.

                            'Virtual fence'
                            Asked whether Homeland Security would build 700 miles of fence, department spokesman Russ Knocke would not say. Instead, he noted that department leaders announced last month that they will spend $67 million to test a remote-sensing "virtual fence" concept on a 28-mile, high-traffic stretch of border south of Tucson over eight months, and then adjust their plans.

                            "We plan to build a little and test a little. . . . Stay tuned," Knocke said. "We're optimistic that Congress is going to provide the department with flexibility."

                            The split between GOP leaders hungry for a sound-bite-friendly accomplishment targeting immigration and others who support a more comprehensive approach also means that the fence bill will be watered down when lawmakers return for a lame-duck session in November, according to congressional aides and lobbyists.

                            The office of Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Tex.) yesterday released a letter from House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) promising to ensure that Chertoff has discretion over whether to build a fence or choose other options. Homeland Security officials must also consult with U.S., state and local representatives on where structures are placed.

                            The letter was inserted in the Congressional Record on Friday night because Congress ran out of time to reach a final deal, aides said.

                            "State and local officials in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas should not be excluded from decisions about how to best protect our borders with their varying topography, population and geography," Hutchison said in a statement added to the record.

                            Congress also hedged on when a fence would be completed. The law mandating it said Homeland Security officials should gain "operational control" of the border in 18 months. But the law funding it envisions five years. Chertoff has set a goal of two to three years, but only after completion of an immigration overhaul.

                            Staff writer Peter Baker contributed to this report.

                            © 2006 The Washington Post Company

                            URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15149231/
                            To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                            • Fukk mexico.

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                              • m21,

                                you can't mean that. i like my fish tacos and coronas, thank you very much!
                                There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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