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  • Confed999
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    Originally posted by Fonnicker
    Based on what?
    Mass-graves, starvation, torture, rape, murder, terrorism, threats, non-compliance, etc., etc....
    Originally posted by Fonnicker
    How about an apology to the world?
    I'm sorry the "world" doesn't care about Iraqis.
    Originally posted by Fonnicker
    We could have had universal health care for every american with the money we spend on Geogie-Porgie's precious personal vendetta and war mongering.
    Who can't get healthcare now? And, no we couldn't. Kerry's plan is over 1 trillion dollars, isn't it?
    Originally posted by Fonnicker
    Okay, then why did we bypass the democratic process of the UN to accomplish this?
    Ask Kerry, his vote is one of the ones that took us there. One of the few good things he's ever done, IMHO. What's "democratic" about the UN?

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  • Fonnicker
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    Seriously?

    How can you say that after the last four years? They say Kerry flip-flops! Well, I would certainly hope so.

    We go into Iraq under a very real threat of WMDs. Understandable based on intellegence. We don't find any. George Bush acknowledges this, yet claims he would still have invaded regardless! Based on what? I would love to see some flip-flopping there. How about an apology to the world?

    Tax cuts don't go very well with an ever increasing budget deficit to finance an unjust war. We could have had universal health care for every american with the money we spend on Geogie-Porgie's precious personal vendetta and war mongering.

    We invade to spread democracy, right? Okay, then why did we bypass the democratic process of the UN to accomplish this? Hipocracy.

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  • Confed999
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    Originally posted by porsteamboy
    I have a problem voting for a guy that hears voices! He is a reformed drunk and doper and and has replaced those addictive traits with religon. Has failed in most if not all of his business ventures, became Governor of Texas, I'm sure it was on his own merit, had nothing to do with his fathers influence, right. He managed in eight years as Governor to make Texas #1 in polution and executions. Then the voice told him to run for president, as president he has managed to invade two countries. He claims the voice he hears is Jesus Christ, I think had he asked for an ID on that voice, it would have said neo-cons. Beware of the men behind the curtain!
    LOL :)

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  • porsteamboy
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    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
    I don't. Else, he would have fired Rumsfeld. No heads have rolled since the debacle in Al Nafja. Bush may not know what would work but it's damned obvious what is not working and he ain't fixing it.



    As a Canadian allied soldier, I would prefer Bush. I know where he stands and I know where he wants to go. How he gets there is frustrating the hell out of me. I don't know what Kerry wants.

    Both have a deadline of sorts. 4 more years for Bush vs 1 promised by Kerry. However, with Kerry, that may be delayed 8 years.
    I have a problem voting for a guy that hears voices! He is a reformed drunk and doper and and has replaced those addictive traits with religon. Has failed in most if not all of his business ventures, became Governor of Texas, I'm sure it was on his own merit, had nothing to do with his fathers influence, right. He managed in eight years as Governor to make Texas #1 in polution and executions. Then the voice told him to run for president, as president he has managed to invade two countries. He claims the voice he hears is Jesus Christ, I think had he asked for an ID on that voice, it would have said neo-cons. Beware of the men behind the curtain!

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  • porsteamboy
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    Originally posted by M21Sniper
    Forget it Praxus, just another leftist socailist fool.

    Miss, you can speak about what drill instructors 'put in your head' once you've actually been in the military. Until then, allow me to inform you that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

    Kerry is a disgrace to the uniform of the united states military. He is a liar, an opportunist, and a socailist.

    And he is a national war hero for the OTHER side in the war he fought in.

    Miss, you can jam John F'ing Kerry where the sun don't shine.
    Sec. Of defense Robert McNamara, years after the Vietnam conflict, on a TV talk show, like meet the press, stated that the Vietnam conflict was a mistake. He may have said that in his book, that I haven't read, he didn't say in retro-spect or hind sight . That indicates to me that he MAY have believed that to some degree during his tenture as Sec. of defense. Kerry got out of the service and voiced his oppinion on the war, as your doing on this board. I respect you for your service to the country, as I respect any military people, including John F-in Kerry! When you join the servie you take a oath, as do the President and congress, to protect the Constitution of the united States against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. As I see it, the enemy is domestic and the fight should be in the halls of congress, not the sands of Iraq!

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  • porsteamboy
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    Originally posted by M21Sniper
    The concept of national healthcare is socailist on it's very face.

    Are you a socailist christine?

    Kerry has been hailed by Gen. Giap, commander of the communist N. Vietnamese Army, as being instrumental in the Communists victory in Vietnam. He is considered a war hero to them. A picture of him hangs in a place of honor in the vietnam victory museum in hanoi. On top of that, he is an admitted war criminal, and wrongly accused his fellow sailors of commiting attrocities in Vietnam. Accusations that he has never backed up with a single ounce of proof.

    Kerry is the last man we need running this war. He is the very worst of what an American can be. A liar, cheat, and fraud.

    His is also the ultimate flip-flop man.
    Yo, Have you heard, the Vietnam war is over! He testified in front of a congresstional hearing, along with alot of other people, of which many were Vietnam Vets, at a time when the US was looking for a way to withdraw from Vietnam and save face! If Kerry is the worst a American can be, then what would that make Sec. of Defense McNamara and Gen. Westmoreland?

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  • Confed999
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    Originally posted by Praxus
    Russia is not a Capitalist country, it is a corrupt socialist country. The Government doesn't protect property rights very well and it outright violates them an awful lot.
    No kidding, where is the capitalism in Russia? Just because they are not communist, it doesn't make them remotely capitalist.

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  • Praxus
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    Russia is not a Capitalist country, it is a corrupt socialist country. The Government doesn't protect property rights very well and it outright violates them an awful lot.

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  • barrowaj
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    Originally posted by Confed999
    Yeah, look at Russia, and see what liberalism get you...
    Yes, I suppose that liberalism has destroyed Russia. Although I don't think that you are referring to the same sense of liberalism that I am.

    Current projections indicate that It will take until 2020 for Russia to recover its GDP to the level that it was in 1989. The current state of affairs is an example of capitalism gone wrong.

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  • Confed999
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    Originally posted by barrowaj
    Invastion of Iraq. Its done, whether you agreed with it or not. We've got to fix the country and then get the hell out. I think both candidates agree on that.
    Are you sure Kerry still isn't on the 6 month plan? He has convieniently removed that statement from his website, so does that mean he's in for the long haul, or still going to cut and run.
    Originally posted by barrowaj
    But in reality we have far more pressing issues to deal with.
    Nothing more pressing than war.
    Originally posted by barrowaj
    We spend far too much money on our military, as we are able to fight any modern full scale war with far fewer forces.
    Are you saying we don't currently need more troops and better equipment? Seriously?
    Originally posted by barrowaj
    While some may be wasteful, social programs can actually benefit the economy by providing services to those who could not normally afford them.
    Lets start by cutting the wastful ones, instead of rasing taxes, and privatize the rest.
    Originally posted by barrowaj
    Paying for preventative medical care and education for people actually saves you money.
    Except that everything the government does costs 2x as much, or more, than it does in the private sectior, with less quality. You want to know what socialized medicine will look like, look at today's medicaie and social security.
    Originally posted by barrowaj
    Kerry's reasoning behind rolling back the tax cuts for the rich is this
    To propagate class warfare, to descriminate by income, to commit gross wealth redistribution and to make the people totaly dependant on the government. Really it's to buy votes from foolish people who will lose their jobs, and see inflation increase substantially, to maintain profit margins. Every 2% increase in the top end tax bracket, and I have to fire 1 person.
    Originally posted by barrowaj
    balooning education and healthcare costs have far outweighed that benefit. So the average person now has LESS money to spend than he did when Bush came into office.
    And voting for the trial lawyers is going to help reduce the costs? I say they're the problem, who do you think has to pay for all their law suits?
    Originally posted by barrowaj
    So the average person now has LESS money to spend than he did when Bush came into office.
    I have more money, and I have an "average" income.
    Originally posted by barrowaj
    it is because their salaries have been increasing.
    Ummmm, it's done as a different percent. People with higher incomes pay a higher percent of their income. If it were just that they had to pay more money, but the same percent, nobody would care. Anything else is unfair and descriminatory. I personally think the bigger tax burdens should pay more taxes, like people with kids should not get a tax break, they should be paying more.
    Originally posted by barrowaj
    just look at Russia.
    Yeah, look at Russia, and see what liberalism get you...
    Last edited by Confed999; 27 Aug 04,, 00:38.

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  • barrowaj
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    Invastion of Iraq. Its done, whether you agreed with it or not. We've got to fix the country and then get the hell out. I think both candidates agree on that. Kerry unfortunately can't even say that he didn't support the war in the first place, but dems had to pick Kerry because they knew moderates and independents would never vote for Dean.

    Even though everyone is so concerned about terrorism, because it is easy fear. But in reality we have far more pressing issues to deal with. A candidate saying that, however, would be political death because people are fanatical about terrorism. I am not a politician, so I don't have to worry about that.

    Economy: the Bush taxcut did infuse a little more money into the economy, but the long term cost of our huge debt will really drag us down in the future. We spend far too much money on our military, as we are able to fight any modern full scale war with far fewer forces. While some may be wasteful, social programs can actually benefit the economy by providing services to those who could not normally afford them. Paying for preventative medical care and education for people actually saves you money.

    Healthcare: our healthcare provides worse care than most of the "socialist" European systems, yet costs 4x more. What's up with that I say? Is the free market saving us money like its supposed to? I don't think so. Its so much of a problem that many people can't even afford health insurance.

    Tax cuts: Kerry's reasoning behind rolling back the tax cuts for the rich is this: While the average person has received some benefit from the tax cut, balooning education and healthcare costs have far outweighed that benefit. So the average person now has LESS money to spend than he did when Bush came into office.

    While it is true that the tax burden for the rich has been increasing, it is because their salaries have been increasing. In 1980, CEOs made 42x the average worker, and in 2003 that gap increased to a whopping 300x the average worker. Meanwhile, the real earning power of a minimum wage worker has decreased dramatically due to inflation. The progressive rate of the tax curve is justified in keeping up with the expanding gap between the rich and poor. This is because the centralization of weath is bad for the economy. For example, just look at Russia.

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  • Confed999
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    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
    I believe you're missing my point.
    No, I get it, and I do not dispute it.

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    Originally posted by Confed999
    Their primary reason for Iraq was incorrect, though I still believe he could have projected power militarily as well as influentially, but that doesn't make the liberation wrong in any way. You see, that's the only one of the arguments for war that made any sense to me, and the only reason I support
    I believe you're missing my point. I repeat LCol Collins' speach

    We go to liberate, not to conquer.
    We will not fly our flags in their country
    We are entering Iraq to free a people and the only flag which will be flown in that ancient land is their own.
    Show respect for them.

    There are some who are alive at this moment who will not be alive shortly.
    Those who do not wish to go on that journey, we will not send.
    As for the others, I expect you to rock their world.
    Wipe them out if that is what they choose.
    But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory.

    Iraq is steeped in history.
    It is the site of the Garden of Eden, of the Great Flood and the birthplace of Abraham.
    Tread lightly there.

    You will see things that no man could pay to see
    -- and you will have to go a long way to find a more decent, generous and upright people than the Iraqis.
    You will be embarrassed by their hospitality even though they have nothing.

    Don't treat them as refugees for they are in their own country.
    Their children will be poor, in years to come they will know that the light of liberation in their lives was brought by you.

    If there are casualties of war then remember that when they woke up and got dressed in the morning they did not plan to die this day.
    Allow them dignity in death.
    Bury them properly and mark their graves.

    It is my foremost intention to bring every single one of you out alive.
    But there may be people among us who will not see the end of this campaign.
    We will put them in their sleeping bags and send them back.
    There will be no time for sorrow.

    The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his nemesis and that we are bringing about his rightful destruction.
    There are many regional commanders who have stains on their souls and they are stoking the fires of hell for Saddam.
    He and his forces will be destroyed by this coalition for what they have done.
    As they die they will know their deeds have brought them to this place. Show them no pity.

    It is a big step to take another human life.
    It is not to be done lightly.
    I know of men who have taken life needlessly in other conflicts.
    I can assure you they live with the mark of Cain upon them.

    If someone surrenders to you then remember they have that right in international law and ensure that one day they go home to their family.
    The ones who wish to fight, well, we aim to please.

    If you harm the regiment or its history by over-enthusiasm in killing or in cowardice, know it is your family who will suffer.
    You will be shunned unless your conduct is of the highest -- for your deeds will follow you down through history.
    We will bring shame on neither our uniform or our nation.

    (On Saddam's chemical and biological weapons.)

    It is not a question of if, it's a question of when.
    We know he has already devolved the decision to lower commanders, and that means he has already taken the decision himself.
    If we survive the first strike we will survive the attack.

    As for ourselves, let's bring everyone home and leave Iraq a better place for us having been there.

    Our business now is north.

    And I repeat

    (On Saddam's chemical and biological weapons.)

    It is not a question of if, it's a question of when.
    We know he has already devolved the decision to lower commanders, and that means he has already taken the decision himself.
    If we survive the first strike we will survive the attack.

    As for ourselves, let's bring everyone home and leave Iraq a better place for us having been there.
    LCol Collins was wrong ... AND I AM WRONG! Both of us have admitted it. The least we could ask of Bush and Blair is that they admit it.

    Does not invalidate the other reasons but when you're asking people to sacrafice their lives and the well being of their families, the least is demanded of you is your honesty and your apologies when you're wrong.

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  • Confed999
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    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
    Iraq was wrong. We told our people why they were going in, what they were going to face, and how they were going to face them. We were dead wrong about the WMD.
    Their primary reason for Iraq was incorrect, though I still believe he could have projected power militarily as well as influentially, but that doesn't make the liberation wrong in any way. You see, that's the only one of the arguments for war that made any sense to me, and the only reason I support 100%.
    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
    My job was to bring my people home first and foremost. The fastest way I know how is to complete my mission. And if my superiors, including the civilian leadership tells me that my mission is over, it's over. What I leave behind even if it's the bad guys taking a crap in my toilet I left behind comes extremely second of me bringing my people home.
    I don't blame you for any bad deals with bad guys, politicians make, and break, the deals...

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    I find those reports with dubious intel at best. The Syrians neither need nor want Iraqi WMDs. They have their own stocks. They might share info but I really doubt that the Syrians have the facilities to look after Iraqi stocks as well as their own.

    Also, if the Iraqis did transport their WMDs in the fashion described, then Lady Luck was the Safety Officer. I know I don't want to be anywhere near a convoy like that.

    But that wasn't the point that I was making. Our soldiers were told something that turned out not to be true. We owe it to our soldiers to admit our mistakes.

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