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  • #31
    Originally posted by Praxus
    What is the point of not voting?

    If you agree that one is less evil then the other, then wouldn't the logical thing to do is to vote for the lesser evil?
    Why vote if you dont like any of the choices im not going to give my vote to someone that i dont think deserves my vote i really dont like what bush and kerry stand for so i cant vote for either one i dislike both of them equally.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Semper Fi
      Why vote if you dont like any of the choices im not going to give my vote to someone that i dont think deserves my vote i really dont like what bush and kerry stand for so i cant vote for either one i dislike both of them equally.
      Why do you dislike them both equaly? What is the reasoning behind this?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Praxus
        Why do you dislike them both equaly? What is the reasoning behind this?
        My reasons i dont like bush is because of the situation its not going to well over their in Iraq we lost too many troops over their for a country that supposily was gonna be happy with us for "liberating them" from Saddam and the our economy isnt doing to well as for kerry he is a flip flopper he believes in something then all of sudden he is against it how can you vote for someone who doesnt stand by what he believes in.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Semper Fi
          My reasons i dont like bush is because of the situation its not going to well over their in Iraq we lost too many troops over their for a country that supposily was gonna be happy with us for "liberating them" from Saddam
          Although Bush is responsible for the Iraqi mess, it ain't his fault. That one belong squarely on Rumsfeld.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
            Although Bush is responsible for the Iraqi mess, it ain't his fault. That one belong squarely on Rumsfeld.
            Yeah but who hired him? Bush is responsible he hired rumsfeld i somewhat agree the rumsfeld is huge part of the problem but if bush didnt appoint him Secretary of Defense we wouldnt have that mess in Iraq.

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            • #36
              [QUOTE=Praxus]You obviously are one if you believe in Nationalized Healthcare!

              Praxus with all due respect don't use my words out of context. If you don't remember what I wrote initially then please read it one more time. I never said I believe in Nationalized Health Care first of all. Secondly, all I did was to write down the arguments that both republicans and democrats have pointed out during their campaigns ( that is why I even mentioned the argument that Democrats have made about our health care system, but while we are at it-let me tell you something: some people don't have the means to access health care so according to your point of view, we should just let all Americans that don't have the money to die). And seriously I don't understand what you are talking about when you say we should blame it on their dictators and ďislamo-fascistsĒ...when someone from our military becomes a POW is the scenario I had more in mind when I spoke about Human Rights...I don't think that the United Nations declared Human Rights as a farce because I don't think any organization would go against itself. Moreover, Human Rights are not only in the United Nations. Human Rights are everywhere, in the States we call them "Civil Rights & Liberties".
              Last but not least, my question still has not been answered. Forget the invasion, are you saying that all the casualties we have had and will still have are for our own best interests? When an U.S. soldier dies I think is more for the benefits and interests of terrorism. No one can repay a wife or a kid for the loss of their husband and father...if you tell the families of those men and women that they made the ultimate sacrifice for the freedom of Iraq(who cares about Iraq and their people, not when we are the affected ones) ...some of them may not be relieved and happy. I am sure all they would prefer is for their husband or father to be back home and safe. Something is lost and nothing can replace it. It is not fair or just, that is all I am saying. However, I know justice and what is right donít matter or count, not when it gets in the way of politics.

              I am sure you believe that those who donít go along with what decisions are being made in the White House are just simply socialists and are unpatriotic- too bad but the good news is that not everyone feels the way you do. Finally, you can call me whatever you want, if you think I am a socialist because I don't follow and go along blindly with whatever our Administration decides then so be it. The good thing is that I know who I am and don't have to rely on your points of view.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Christine
                However, I know justice and what is right donít matter or count, not when it gets in the way of politics.
                I say the same thing, but I say it to explain why it took so long to remove Saddam. A new free nation in the Middle East would be a huge benefit for everyone except the mullahs. If the Iraqis want it enough, and it looks like many of them do, it will happen, and no matter what anyone else says America can say it was critical to giving them that chance. If it were you living that way, would you want the chance? I sure would, but that's just me. ;)
                No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
                I agree completely with this Administrationís goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
                even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
                He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. Itís the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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                • #38
                  Christine, even though I agree with some of your political arguements, your characterization of Praxus is wrong. First of all, he doesn't like Bush. Second, he is not calling you a socialist for disagreeing with the President (who he disagrees with too), he is calling you one because he thought you believed in National Health Care, which is a socialist mechanism.

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                  • #39
                    As I read this thread, the terrifying thought that the Americans here are about to choose the next Leader of the Free World and I have absolutely no say in the matter.

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                    • #40
                      "Although Bush is responsible for the Iraqi mess, it ain't his fault. That one belong squarely on Rumsfeld."

                      I would argue it's Saddam's fault...but that would be too obvious. ;)

                      Colonel, who would you vote for if you were an American?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
                        As I read this thread, the terrifying thought that the Americans here are about to choose the next Leader of the Free World and I have absolutely no say in the matter.
                        rofl

                        I agree with you on that, even though I'm a US citizen.

                        This election is about 1 thing only, which guy can best put the assets of the United States in play. The free world is now at war with radical islamic idealism, let nobody get politically correct here because the facts are plain and simple. If the President, whoever they might be, decides to take Bush's proactive approach and seek Islamic Terrorists out in their own countries then we undoubtedly will enflame the situation and make it worse. However if we do nothing the same will happen AND has happened in that we will still be hated just the same.

                        I personally regard this "war on terror" as the modern crusades. Nothing but nothing is gonna stop it until alot more blood has been spilled. I fear that is the truth but god willing it's not.
                        They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
                        --Benjamin Franklin

                        There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.--John Adams

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                        • #42
                          "My reasons i dont like bush is because of the situation its not going to well over their in Iraq we lost too many troops over their for a country that supposily was gonna be happy with us for "liberating them" from Saddam and the our economy isnt doing to well as for kerry he is a flip flopper he believes in something then all of sudden he is against it how can you vote for someone who doesnt stand by what he believes in."

                          I want to remind you of some Marine history, in light of your statement and your chosen screen name.

                          From Feb. 19 to March 16, 1945, the United States Marine Corps fought a battle on a little shit-hole island in the middle of the Pacific.

                          The USMC Invaded this little island with some 60,000 Marines. It was defended by 20,000 Japanese.

                          During that battle, which lasted 27 days, the Marines lost 7,000 men.

                          That is 259 dead Americans every day. That's about 1,800 dead Americans every week.

                          Over 20,000 were wounded on that same little island. That is 740 men per day, or 5,180 per week.

                          Combined, there were 1,000 Purple hearts earned every day on that island....7,000 purple hearts in the first week of the invasion alone. All told over 27,000 purple hearts were awarded at this little island battleground.

                          One in three Marines that participated in the invasion was wounded.

                          12% of all Marines that set foot on that island, died on that island.

                          More than ONE THIRD of ALL USMC CASUALTIES SUFFERED DURING WWII were suffered in a span of 27 days, on that one little island.

                          Think about that for a second. All that, all those dead and wounded, all for a small island 1,000 miles from anywhere.

                          The name of that island was Iwo Jima.

                          After more than a year of warfare- including the invasion and military conquest of a nation the size of Texas, we have suffered approx 14% as many KIAs, against an enemy every bit as fanatical.

                          Our casualties have been astronomicly LOW.

                          For all we all sit here and bitch, our soldiers, our sons, have performed with excellence and dedication and a soldiers unyielding sense of duty. They have inflicted upon our enemy a terrible toll. Our battlefield leaders have peformed with equal skill and valor.

                          We should mourn every single one of our fallen, we should respect them. We should above all remember them, and their sacrifice.

                          What we should not do is betray them by allowing a man the ilk of John F. Kerry to pull us out and sit back and watch all they've fought for crumble into nothing.

                          More than this, let no one here doubt, we are in a war for survival of our way of life. We CAN NOT RETREAT.

                          There is nowhere to retreat too. We learned that on 9-11.

                          Some many have already forgotten.

                          I have complete faith that our CURRENT commander in chief is fully aware of the magnitude of the fight we're in.
                          I also have a very, very strong suspicion that the senator from Massachussets views it more as an inconvenience, much like one William Jefferson Clinton did.
                          Last edited by Bill; 15 Aug 04,, 07:49.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by M21Sniper
                            I have complete faith that our CURRENT commander in chief is fully aware of the magnitude of the fight we're in.
                            I don't. Else, he would have fired Rumsfeld. No heads have rolled since the debacle in Al Nafja. Bush may not know what would work but it's damned obvious what is not working and he ain't fixing it.

                            Originally posted by M21Sniper
                            I also have a very, very strong suspicion that the senator from Massachussets views it more as an inconvenience, much like one William Jefferson Clinton did.
                            As a Canadian allied soldier, I would prefer Bush. I know where he stands and I know where he wants to go. How he gets there is frustrating the hell out of me. I don't know what Kerry wants.

                            Both have a deadline of sorts. 4 more years for Bush vs 1 promised by Kerry. However, with Kerry, that may be delayed 8 years.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
                              I don't. Else, he would have fired Rumsfeld. No heads have rolled since the debacle in Al Nafja. Bush may not know what would work but it's damned obvious what is not working and he ain't fixing it.
                              While he is at it he should fire Secretary of State Collin Powel!

                              At every turn he trys to appease the enemy and the rest of the world.

                              Originally posted by Christine

                              Praxus with all due respect don't use my words out of context. If you don't remember what I wrote initially then please read it one more time. I never said I believe in Nationalized Health Care first of all. Secondly, all I did was to write down the arguments that both republicans and democrats have pointed out during their campaigns ( that is why I even mentioned the argument that Democrats have made about our health care system, but while we are at it-let me tell you something: some people don't have the means to access health care so according to your point of view, we should just let all Americans that don't have the money to die).
                              I never said individuals should let the poor die, it is perfectly acceptable to give private donations.

                              My point is that someone's "need" does not give the Government the moral right to loot and pillage everyone in site.

                              And seriously I don't understand what you are talking about when you say we should blame it on their dictators and ďislamo-fascistsĒ...when someone from our military becomes a POW is the scenario I had more in mind when I spoke about Human Rights...
                              Yes, so you agree it is our enemies who violate the rights of our soldiers.

                              I don't think that the United Nations declared Human Rights as a farce because I don't think any organization would go against itself. Moreover, Human Rights are not only in the United Nations. Human Rights are everywhere, in the States we call them "Civil Rights & Liberties".
                              I never said the United Nations declared Humans Rights as a farce. What I did say was that Human Rights as declared by the United Nations is a farce.

                              Look up what the United Nations delcares as rights.


                              Last but not least, my question still has not been answered. Forget the invasion, are you saying that all the casualties we have had and will still have are for our own best interests? .
                              Yes, and I have answered you.

                              I am sure you believe that those who donít go along with what decisions are being made in the White House are just simply socialists and are unpatriotic- too bad but the good news is that not everyone feels the way you do. Finally, you can call me whatever you want, if you think I am a socialist because I don't follow and go along blindly with whatever our Administration decides then so be it. The good thing is that I know who I am and don't have to rely on your points of view.
                              Believe me, I don't like a lot of things Bush is doing. Such as this national service crap, funding of religious organizations with Government funds, mentioning God as a justification for every damn thing, and the fact that he has expanding the welfare state(in the name of God) faster then Clinton!

                              But I believe that with all his problems he is better then Kerry.

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                              • #45
                                There is the ABB (Anybody but Bush) crowd, well then I am a member of the ABK (Anybody but Kerry) crowd. And im proud of it :)

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