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  • #31
    Originally posted by Confed999
    And he destroyed any chance of finding out about the rest of the POW/MIAs, just so he and his cousin could make a few bucks...
    Speaking of which, how many guys are still missing?

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    • #32
      Here's the statement by Col. Day:

      Statement from Col George E. "Bud" Day, USAF, Ret., Medal of Honor Recipient, Former POW in Hanoi, North Vietnam, regarding Presidential election support:

      "....the Kerry Vietnam anti-war movement directly encouraged the vicious torture I received as a POW in the Hanoi Hilton, was demoralizing for other POW's and their families, and provided aid and comfort for North Vietnam to continue the war.

      I can think of no action more despicable than false public condemnation of warriors on the field of battle, as John Kerry made under oath.

      Senator Kerry is unfit to become President and our Commander-in-Chief."

      Col, George "Bud" Day, USAF, Ret., Medal of Honor recipient, Former POW in Hanoi, North Vietnam, 32 Beal Parkway, SW., Ft Walton Beach, FL 32548, 850-243-

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      • #33
        I never said I would vote for Kerry. I'm just saying that the mainstream agenda of Bush is fighting/war, something he never took much part in.

        So Bush can fly a plane......whoop dee doo. So can Tom Cruise. Does that make Bush qualified as a Commander In Chief of this War on Terrorism that he is heading up? And if not, who is?

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        • #34
          No Bush isn't qualifyed, in fact he is doing a pretty crappy job of defending us thus far. The problem is Kerry would do nothing to defend us.

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          • #35
            Considering the huge amount of political restrictions Bush is faced with, he's actually done quite a lot.

            You think for a second he wouldn't do more- far more- if he could get away with it? The man is afterall, a Texan.

            Bush served as a fighter pilot in a very dangerous cutting-edge aircraft. That is an honorable job.

            Kerry went to Vietnam(he volunteered for swift boats BEFORE they were commited to action, so he did not volunteer to go to vietnam), was there all of 4 months, somehow managed to collect three purple hearts without spending even a single night in the hospital, managed to fit a bronze AND silver star in there too.....and lo and behold, 3 HUNDRED of his former servicemen say he's a liar, and that he didn't earn those medals. Most of those men are highly decorated(though all served their full year, and none of them left vietnam before their tour was up), and that list of men includes EVERY commanding officer Kerry served under in Vietnam, including an Admiral.

            John Kerry is the only swiftboat captian who was not killed that did not complete his tour of duty in vietnam.

            This man is a pig.

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            • #36
              The problem is Bush is placing some of the restrictions. I would like to believe that Bush would do more if he was not facing so much opposition from the left. I do not believe this to be the case. He seems to be scared of attacking anything religious even if 1500 murders are inside. The decision to take these places out is his and he has not done so. He refuses to act against Iran in a timely manner and has done nothing but appease North Korea. Then of course he refuses to dismantle the UN and all they do is praise it. He needs to put a bill before congress to dismantle it and he should push it. He needs to make a principled stand, not a pragmatic one.

              "America has abstained from interference in the concerns of others,
              even when the conflict has been for principles to which she clings. . . .
              She goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the
              well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the
              champion and vindicator only of her own."
              -- John Quincy Adams
              Invading Iraq is our concern, this quote is a non-secuator

              His father said this...
              "The right of a nation to kill a tyrant in case of necessity can no more be doubted than to hang a robber, or kill a flea.
              John Adams "
              Last edited by Praxus; 13 Aug 04,, 20:13.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Praxus
                "The right of a nation to kill a tyrant in case of necessity can no more be doubted than to hang a robber, or kill a flea.
                John Adams "
                Nice one...
                No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
                I agree completely with this Administrationís goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
                even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
                He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. Itís the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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                • #38
                  The argument about Bush's military record was four years ago. Re-hashing the argument is pointless. The current US president has experience of leading the US into two wars in the last four years. He therefore has live practical experience. Whatever happened during a previous war 30 years ago is somewhat immaterial in that context.

                  Arguing about Kerry's was record is relevant from the leadship perspective as there isn't the same recent evidence to go on.

                  However, Bush himself also provides the perfect answer. He was ill equipped to deal with a foreign policy rich presidency and indeed had decided to turn the US' focus inwardly. Circumstance changed that for Bush, and he (or perhaps Cheney) assembled the support needed. Therefore is the question not "Can Kerry assemble a team as capable (or better) as the current Bush administration with respect to foreign policy matters and the war on terror?". i.e. it goes beyond medal throwing etc. Will the right calibre of people work with him?
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                  • #39
                    Trooth, that would all be very well and good if the men wasn't a self-avowed war criminal.

                    It would be fine and dandy if he wasn't a war hero for the wrong side in the war he fought.

                    It would be very rational if he didn't have 300 of his former shipmates telling anyone that will listen that he is a fraud and a cheat.

                    Unfortunately, all those things are hanging about his neck like an albatross...and it's only going to get worse.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by M21Sniper
                      Trooth, that would all be very well and good if the men wasn't a self-avowed war criminal.

                      It would be fine and dandy if he wasn't a war hero for the wrong side in the war he fought.

                      It would be very rational if he didn't have 300 of his former shipmates telling anyone that will listen that he is a fraud and a cheat.

                      Unfortunately, all those things are hanging about his neck like an albatross...and it's only going to get worse.
                      Hopefully people will keep all this in mind of November 2nd or whenever the election is.

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                      • #41
                        Kerry is a hero

                        Kerry showed bravery in not only fighting a war other privilaged people of his generation ran away from, but helped to stop the carnage of millions of dead Vietnam civilians and tens of thousands of dead Americans, by speaking out against the war. If he had not taken his stand and the war continued, would the loss of more dead Americans, and other allied troops like the New Zealanders that volunteered to serve in Vietnam, have made the world any safer than it is now? Does the thought of an extra 50,000 dead Americans please anyone who has contributed to this thread? Despite the humiliating failure in Vietnam, communists lost, capitalists won (even in the Vietnam of today). Supporters of the Vietnam war (of which this message board seems to have many) are thankfully in a minority - loud and full of bile, but a minority none the less.

                        The world will sleep easier if John Kerry becomes President. And maybe, just maybe, fewer people will hate your country.

                        BTW Bush's greatest lie - There are WMDs in Iraq - followed by - Iraq was involved in the terrorist attack on 11 September 2001. Resulting US Death toll from the illegal invasion, 1,000 and counting + Iraqi death toll 15,000+ (??).

                        Makes you proud?

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                        • #42
                          Let's be real here. Kerry had no effect on the outcome of the Vietnam War. Tet did that.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Kipruss
                            BTW Bush's greatest lie - There are WMDs in Iraq - followed by - Iraq was involved in the terrorist attack on 11 September 2001. Resulting US Death toll from the illegal invasion, 1,000 and counting + Iraqi death toll 15,000+ (??).

                            Makes you proud?

                            Couple questions for you:

                            1. Did Bush know for a fact that the intelligence he was given was innaccurate?

                            2. I never heard Bush say Iraq was involved in 9/11...it was suggested, it was never stated as fact. Can you please clarify where Bush actually made this charge???

                            3. Can you please get the numbers of the U.N. resolutions that approved force on Iraq, and show me how this war was illegal?

                            I believe you are a sheep. You are hung up on liberal talking points that are 1. old, 2. proven wrong over and over again.

                            None of the three charges you just made against Bush can be proven, because they are all factually innaccurate. But, being fair, I will give you the opportunity to prove at least one of those charges with evidence and sources.

                            Go for it, we're waiting.

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                            • #44
                              Lies

                              1. Bush said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. His own investigators have said there were no WMDs. Lie, untruth, gross exaggeration - take you pick. Ps Ignorance should never be a justification for saying something is a fact when you do not know it to be true (as it wasn't).

                              2. Re Hussein involved in September 11 - the fact that just before September last year a poll was taken by the Washington Post (not liberal by any stretch of the "fox news" imagination) into whether Iraq was involved in the terrorist attacks. In the report (6 September 2003-use google to find it) the reporters said:

                              "Although that belief came without prompting from Washington, Democrats and some independent experts say Bush exploited the apparent misconception by implying a link between Hussein and the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the months before the war with Iraq. "The notion was reinforced by these hints, the discussions that they had about possible links with al Qaeda terrorists," said Andrew Kohut, a pollster who leads the nonpartisan Pew Research Center for the People and the Press. "

                              3. The leader of the United Nations, Kofi Annan, has recently called this invasion of Iraq illegal. Given his position is a World position, not a subservient US backed position, I take his views with more credibility than your views.

                              Just because you have the most deadly military in history does not make everything you do correct (or incorrect). When you use force you should ensure you are right - not wrong. That is what scares the world.

                              The UN supports the Afganistan mission - and NZ has SAS forces fighting against Taliban remnants (a couple were wounded a few months ago) and a Provincial Reconstruction Team in Bamyan (86 strong). Both deployments are working with US and other like minded forces. Most Nzers support the use of force where it is justified. We even sent an armed reconstruction team (60 strong) to Iraq for a year to help with Infrastructure in the Basra region, working from the British base.

                              Your comment about the number of resolutions is a red herring. Most of the resolutions were based on Hussein getting rid of WMDs. The IAEA and weapons expectors could not find any before the war ... because there weren't any!

                              There was a comment earlier that the US should disband (or dismantle) the UN. I would be happy for the US to exclude itself from the world body, and give up its veto, as there is a perfectly good UN location in Switzerland. New York could even save on the wages of parking wardens. If you are not willing to work with the rest of the world then at the very least you should stop obstructing it.
                              Last edited by Kipruss; 21 Sep 04,, 01:51.

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                              • #45
                                I don't see why the US stays within the UN. The general impression i get from the US is that at best it sees the UN as an inneffective talking shop and at worst a potential world government intent on overthrowing soverign nations.
                                I think it should do the honourable thing and withdraw for the sake of its people and perhaps for the UN itself.
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