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    http://www.dailycollegian.com/vnews/.../408f27f0591be


    "Pat Tillman is not a hero: he got what he deserved


    by Rene Gonzalez
    April 28, 2004


    When the death of Pat Tillman occurred, I turned to my friend who was watching the news with me and said, "How much you want to bet they start talking about him as a 'hero' in about two hours?" Of course, my friend did not want to make that bet. He'd lose. In this self-critical incapable nation, nothing but a knee-jerk "He's a hero" response is to be expected.

    I've been mystified at the absolute nonsense of being in "awe" of Tillman's "sacrifice" that has been the American response. Mystified, but not surprised. True, it's not everyday that you forgo a $3.6 million contract for joining the military. And, not just the regular army, but the elite Army Rangers. You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the "real" thick of things. I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life "Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and

    Gets Killed."

    But, does that make him a hero? I guess it's a matter of perspective. For people in the United States, who seem to be unable to admit the stupidity of both the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, such a trade-off in life standards (if not expectancy) is nothing short of heroic. Obviously, the man must be made of "stronger stuff" to have had decided to "serve" his country rather than take from it. It's the old JFK exhortation to citizen service to the nation, and it seems to strike an emotional chord. So, it's understandable why Americans automatically knee-jerk into hero worship.

    However, in my neighborhood in Puerto Rico, Tillman would have been called a "pendejo," an idiot. Tillman, in the absurd belief that he was defending or serving his all-powerful country from a seventh-rate, Third World nation devastated by the previous conflicts it had endured, decided to give up a comfortable life to place himself in a combat situation that cost him his life. This was not "Ramon or Tyrone," who joined the military out of financial necessity, or to have a chance at education. This was a "G.I. Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was prophetic idiocy.

    Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into. It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his "service" was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in.

    Perhaps it's the old, dreamy American thought process that forces them to put sports greats and "larger than life" sacrificial lambs on the pedestal of heroism, no matter what they've done. After all, the American nation has no other role to play but to be the cheerleaders of the home team; a sad role to have to play during conflicts that suffer from severe legitimacy and credibility problems.

    Matters are a little clearer for those living outside the American borders. Tillman got himself killed in a country other than his own without having been forced to go over to that country to kill its people. After all, whether we like them or not, the Taliban is more Afghani than we are. Their resistance is more legitimate than our invasion, regardless of the fact that our social values are probably more enlightened than theirs. For that, he shouldn't be hailed as a hero, he should be used as a poster boy for the dangerous consequences of too much "America is #1," frat boy, propaganda bull. It might just make a regular man irrationally drop $3.6 million to go fight in a conflict that was anything but "self-defense." The same could be said of the unusual belief of 50 percent of the American nation that thinks Saddam Hussein was behind Sept. 11. One must indeed stand in awe of the amazing success of the American propaganda machine. It works wonders.

    Al-Qaeda won't be defeated in Afghanistan, even if we did kill all their operatives there. Only through careful and logical changing of the underlying conditions that allow for the ideology to foster will Al-Qaeda be defeated. Ask the Israelis if 50 years of blunt force have eradicated the Palestinian resistance. For that reason, Tillman's service, along with that of thousands of American soldiers, has been wrongly utilized. He did die in vain, because in the years to come, we will realize the irrationality of the War on Terror and the American reaction to Sept. 11. The sad part is that we won't realize it before we send more people like Pat Tillman over to their deaths."

    Rene Gonzalez is a UMass graduate student.

    You can leave feedback at the end of the article. I hope all here do just that.

    There are no words to convey how deep an insult this article is to every person that's ever worn the uniform of The United States of America.

  • #2
    Since it was made a Federal Offense to give aid & comfort to terrorists, can't they fine her at least for knowingly saying Tillman deserved to die while fighting terrorists?

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    • #3
      Did he receive any medals or ribbons for his service?

      No one deserves to die, not in this sense. Soldiers go and fight following their orders, though if the orders are bad they mustn't follow them as the USA has said about soldiers in countires the USA went to war with and defeated. The responsibility as the USA has said comes down to the person, not chain of command.

      Did he have exploits? Or is the US media / Military Exploiting Pat Tillman's name?
      Last edited by tw-acs; 29 Apr 04,, 16:30.

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      • #4
        He got a posthomous purple heart.

        The US media always exploits people if there're ratings to be had.

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        • #5
          That is why this post is voicing my disgust of the U.S. Media.

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          • #6
            oh I used to browse Craigslist once and while.....lotsa dickheads there are saying the same about Tillman!

            These suckers wud cry for a hollywood star's dog, if its run over by a truck, but the same idiots wud say it's all Tillman's fault.

            Every body should vote for a seperate conscript army and put make sure all these people are enlisted!!
            A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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            • #7
              That's sad. The sad little person that wrote it didn't even get the facts straight on the Rambo 3 movie, there was no Taliban.

              When Rene grows up, Rene will probably feel bad about this.
              No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
              I agree completely with this Administrationís goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
              even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
              He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. Itís the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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              • #8
                Think first, THEN publish Commie Screed

                This Gonzolez guy is a joke. He also compared President Bush to Hitler in a previous UMASS Daily Communist article. By the way, I think his email address is renegonzalez7@hotmail.com. The brain surgeon has it coming up on google hits. Well, I hope he gets more than he bargained for. I remember when I was in college, I was pretty excited when I had my first beer, too. But it never went to my head like this chump.

                There are about a million things wrong with the world. Pat Tillman was not one of those things. The rule is this - you don't like the war, hippy? Fine. But when you blame the troops, you're no longer an American.

                By the way, Gonzalez was comparing Bush to Hitler on the basis that Bush's Patriot Act (which isn't "Bush's" Act by any means) eroded civil liberties such that we are beginning to resemble a fascist state. How sad and typical of our single-service culture that Gonzalez fails to connect the dots between Tillman's sacrifice and the civil liberties for which he pines. God damn hippy.

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                • #9
                  you cant be serious

                  First of all i think Ms. Gonzalez needs to be reminded that the only reason she has the ability to voice her absurd opinion is because of people just like Pat Tillman. When i first heard of his death i figured people would jump on the mourning bandwagon, and then the tee shirts would follow then two weeks later we would move on to the next tragedy, but for Ms. Gonzalez to denounce Pat Tillmans service to his country and ultimately to douche bags like Ms. Gonzalez is just obscence. if you do not enjoy the freedoms that our armed forces provide for you then i would like to suggest you hop the next flight back to your native Puerto Rico..........
                  [QUOTE=M21Sniper]http://www.dailycollegian.com/vnews/.../408f27f0591be


                  "Pat Tillman is not a hero: he got what he deserved


                  by Rene Gonzalez
                  April 28, 2004
                  Last edited by steviebuckstein; 30 Apr 04,, 12:40.

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                  • #10
                    Guess who....

                    Why look fellas, It's Rene' the leftist scumbag-
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                    • #11
                      Firestorm of protest...

                      Ruh Roh Rene', now we have a face to attatch to your stupid voice.

                      AP-

                      AMHERST - A University of Massachusetts student is in hiding after reportedly receiving death threats stemming from a column he wrote in Wednesday's Daily Collegian.


                      Rene L. Gonzalez's column in the campus newspaper portrayed former National Football League player Pat Tillman, killed in battle last week, as "an idiot" for leaving football to join the Army Rangers.


                      Gonzalez's column said Tillman was not a hero but a fool for joining the elite Rangers and, consequently, getting shot and killed April 22 in Afghanistan.


                      The column has sparked a national outcry and triggered sharp criticism, including from the Massachusetts Senate, the university's president and the campus community.


                      Yesterday, in a brief e-mail to a television reporter from CBS affiliate WBZ-TV in Boston, Gonzalez, 25, apologized to Tillman's family, but declined to be interviewed. Gonzalez has also not responded to The Republican's requests for comment.


                      "I felt that his celebrity had been a factor in American society calling him a 'hero,' and I felt American society had arrived at that conclusion without much thinking, but rather as some sort of patriotic 'knee-jerk' into hero worship," Gonzalez wrote in the e-mail. "That was my point. I did it (admittedly) in such an insensitive way, that the article was not worth publishing."


                      Dan Lamothe, the Collegian's managing editor, said yesterday that Gonzalez told the paper's staff that he had received death threats Wednesday night. The staff has not heard from Gonzalez since.


                      Amherst Police Lt. Scott P. Livingstone said a member of Gonzalez's family talked to officers yesterday about the threats, but did not file a formal complaint.


                      The state Senate yesterday approved a resolution of condemnation, with one member, Sen. Robert Hedlund, R-Weymouth, calling Gonzalez a "nitwit."


                      University President Jack M. Wilson called Gonzalez's opinion column "a disgusting, arrogant and intellectually immature attack on a human being who died in service to his country."


                      "We are fortunate that so many people like Pat Tillman have made the sacrifices necessary to protect the free speech rights of Mr. Gonzalez, myself and our fellow citizens," said Wilson yesterday in his prepared statement.


                      The University's Student Government Association President, Jared Nokes, has also called for the resignation of Gonzalez from his position in the Office of African, Latino, Asian, and Native American Affairs at the Amherst campus. That office is funded primarily by the association.


                      Safety Pat Tillman turned down a $3.6 million contract playing with the Arizona Cardinals in 2002 to enlist with the Army. Tillman was promoted posthumously from specialist to corporal.


                      Gonzalez, a graduate student studying for a doctorate in political science, denounced Tillman in his column, which ran next to another student-written column praising Tillman as a hero.


                      Gonzalez's piece likened Tillman to a romantic Rambo.


                      "They should call Pat Tillman's army life "Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at his former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed," wrote Gonzalez.


                      Americans, he wrote, can't admit the "stupidity of the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars."


                      "This was a "G.I. Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was prophetic idiocy," Gonzalez wrote.


                      Gonzalez's small family home at The Hollow in Amherst was silent yesterday, with duct tape covering the house number in an apparent effort to deter the media. No one was home.


                      Gonzalez's next-door neighbor, Mary Rives, characterized him as a liberal and active student politician, with "politically progressive" views. He had been active in the campaign to stop bomb testing on Vieques Island in the family's native Puerto Rico, she said.


                      Gonzalez is also a musician whose at-home jam sessions with his father and brother often caught her attention, Rives said.


                      "I can't defend the lack of consideration he gave (the Tillman family). I would have preferred (Gonzalez) deliver his message in a more sensitive way," said Rives.


                      But the right to free speech is paramount, she said. The national furor over Gonzalez's column is really a reflection of the often blindly pro-military attitude adopted by Americans after the Sept. 11 attacks, she noted.


                      The Collegian newsroom was flooded with calls and Internet postings yesterday. So many people were accessing the server that it shut down, said Lamothe and Sports Editor Andrew S. Merritt.


                      "We've been getting hate mail in the sports (e-mail) account," he said.


                      Merritt and the paper's editorial board wrote a response to the brouhaha in yesterday's edition.


                      While the paper, which is financially independent of the university system, may not endorse Gonzalez's views, its pages remain a place for students to express their constitutional right to free speech, said the editorial.

                      Material from the Associated Press was used in this story.

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                      • #12
                        Graduate student working towards an M.A. in PolSci? Heh, he'll be flipping burgers, nobody will touch this guy.

                        Rene Gonzalez is a class-A idiot.

                        I'd really like to see somebody come here and defend him, that would make my day.

                        Pat Tillman, he sought no recongnition for joining the military, he was certainly no Rambo-wannabe. Has anybody heard much from the gov't concerning Pat Tillman? I haven't, everything I've heard about him is from the media.

                        Last time I checked the media wasn't a government-owned institution like the BBC in the UK. Government-propaganda machine? Ha!
                        "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lunatock
                          Since it was made a Federal Offense to give aid & comfort to terrorists, can't they fine her at least for knowingly saying Tillman deserved to die while fighting terrorists?



                          Pat Tillman is a hero and so are all the other servicemen and women that have died.
                          any one that writes a story like Rene Gonzalez is a traitor.


                          http://www.geocities.com/estradaroger/johnkerry.html
                          Pain is just weakness leaving the body. USMC
                          Semper Fi

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by M21Sniper
                            Guess who....

                            Why look fellas, It's Rene' the leftist scumbag-


                            it figures looks like a momma's boy who coudn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.



                            http://www.geocities.com/estradaroger/johnkerry.html
                            Pain is just weakness leaving the body. USMC
                            Semper Fi

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by themuffinman
                              Pat Tillman is a hero and so are all the other servicemen and women that have died.
                              any one that writes a story like Rene Gonzalez is a traitor.


                              http://www.geocities.com/estradaroger/johnkerry.html
                              I wouldn't go so far as to call him a traitor. After all, there is freedom of speech and Gonzalez hasn't really betrayed anybody.

                              Idiot, fool, moron? Yes.

                              He's getting severely chastised by people all across the political spectrum. He opened his big fat mouth and now he's being punished for it.
                              "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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