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  • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

    Three. Effing. WEEKS.
    It's the Democrats fault. They wont support nominees from the Republican side of the House that the 'people of America' want in the chair.
    If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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    • The only hope seems to be an old guard GOPer set to retire next year, and a handful of Dems who want to restore some shred of dignity to the oldest part of government.
      Trust me?
      I'm an economist!

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      • Mike Johnson’s turn to be nominee. Talk of a McCarthy-Jordan “unity-ticket”. What a disaster. Clown show.

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        • Originally posted by Monash View Post

          It's the Democrats fault. They wont support nominees from the Republican side of the House that the 'people of America' want in the chair.
          They're also responsible for Jan 6, don't forget.
          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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          • Originally posted by statquo View Post
            Mike Johnson’s turn to be nominee. Talk of a McCarthy-Jordan “unity-ticket”. What a disaster. Clown show.
            Unity?
            If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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            • So now a pretty much, evangelical, becomes speaker. This will be interesting over the next 19 days or so.

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              • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
                So now a pretty much, evangelical, becomes speaker. This will be interesting over the next 19 days or so.
                Wonderful, just what we need, another Christian fundo.
                “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

                  Wonderful, just what we need, another Christian fundo.
                  Yep, and some 20 years ago he wrote about the need to criminalize gays/homosexuals. Yeah, I can just see it now. Throw all of them in prison together. He is a moron.

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                  • I think Dems made a mistake allowing Mike Johnson to become Speaker. Tom Emmer seemed the least bad option of all the nominees, they could opted to vote 'present' on that least bad option, giving Emmer a path forward to bring his nomination to a floor vote and win it.
                    "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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                    • Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
                      I think Dems made a mistake allowing Mike Johnson to become Speaker. Tom Emmer seemed the least bad option of all the nominees, they could opted to vote 'present' on that least bad option, giving Emmer a path forward to bring his nomination to a floor vote and win it.
                      After Trump called him a RINO and not a good pick, he would’ve need a whoollle lot of Dem support to become speaker.

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                      • that would have been contingent on Emmer actually accepting Dem support. any GOPer that accepts Dem support without a significant modicum of intra-GOP backing is a dead man walking.

                        and as Emmer showed, even WITH intra-GOP backing, just takes one statement from Trump to kill that.
                        There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                        • The Trump Loyalty Test at the Center of Republicans’ Speaker Endgame


                          House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) delivers remarks on the Capitol steps after his election in Washington, Wednesday, Oct. 25, 2023.

                          Rep. Mike Johnson of Louisiana had just survived a closed-door vote to end a tumultuous period of paralysis without a House speaker on Tuesday night and was celebrating with smiling and exhausted Republican colleagues.

                          “Democracy is messy sometimes,” he said, “but it is our system.”

                          But moments later, Johnson was confronted at a news conference about his own past role in American democracy, when he worked in alliance with former President Donald Trump to block the certification of the 2020 election.

                          Boos rang out at the reporter’s inquiry. Johnson closed his eyes and shook his head. “Shut up! Shut up!” one congresswoman shouted. “Next question,” Johnson said.

                          Only hours earlier, the speakership bid of another candidate, Tom Emmer, the majority whip, had been felled amid a lobbying blitz from Trump himself. Among Emmer’s apparent apostasies: certifying President Joe Biden’s election. His tenure as speaker designate lasted only four hours.

                          Then, on Wednesday, when Rep. Pete Aguilar, a Democrat, chastised Johnson for leading efforts to reject the Electoral College votes on the House floor in 2020, one Republican lawmaker shouted back, “Damn right!”

                          The back-to-back-to-back developments on Capitol Hill underscored not only the extent to which loyalty to Trump has become a prerequisite to taking power in today’s Republican Party, but also how — 2 1/2 years after a riot that left the Capitol covered with blood and broken glass — the greater sin inside the GOP is to have stood with the voters that day and certified the election of Biden.

                          “Bottom line is the Trump wing of the House is dominant and has been dominant for some time,” said former Rep. Charlie Dent, a moderate Republican from Pennsylvania. Dent called Johnson “affable” and “bright” but said the political takeaway was clear: “A member of the Trump populist wing is now speaker.”


                          Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, a Trump ally who filed the motion that took down former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, beamed, “This is what victory feels like,” celebrating Johnson’s rise on Steve Bannon’s “War Room” podcast Wednesday before the official floor vote. Gaetz called him “MAGA Mike Johnson” — the same moniker that the Biden campaign used hours later.

                          At a New York courthouse, where he and his company are on trial for financial fraud, Trump praised Johnson. “I think he’s going to be a fantastic speaker,” the former president said Wednesday.

                          The internal politics of House Republicans do not revolve solely around Trump. The former president had publicly backed Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio for speaker this month, only to see him blockaded by a more moderate faction in the conference.

                          But the end of the three-week paralysis shows that the party remains yoked to the former president’s election denialism, with Johnson’s selection by his Republican colleagues coming on the same day that one of Trump’s former lawyers tearfully pleaded guilty in a Georgia racketeering case related to Trump’s attempts to overturn the election.

                          “If I knew then what I know now, I would have declined to represent Donald Trump in these postelection challenges,” said Jenna Ellis, a once-combative Trump attorney who is now cooperating with Trump’s prosecutors. Prosecutors struck deals with two other Trump figures, Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro, in the past week.

                          It was a different story on Capitol Hill.

                          With Trump dominating polls in the 2024 presidential primary — and even his top rivals staying relatively silent on his election fraud falsehoods — the party appears content to look past the fact that many of the party’s most prominent election deniers lost in key swing states such as Arizona and Pennsylvania in the 2022 midterm elections.

                          For many Republicans, the primary victories that preceded those defeats are as politically significant. Last year, Trump sought to methodically cleanse the party of his critics, especially those who had voted to impeach him after the Jan. 6 riot. He mostly succeeded: Only two of the 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach him survived.

                          In contrast, Johnson served on Trump’s impeachment defense team. And before that he recruited House Republicans to sign onto a legal brief to object to the outcome of the 2020 election. When that failed, he had played a key role in articulating a rationale for Republican lawmakers to oppose certification of the 2020 results on the floor. His guidance did not directly echo Trump’s wild allegations and was narrower in scope, but it led to the same final vote.

                          “We know now it’s too high of a hurdle to be directly criticized by Donald Trump” and still become speaker, said Kevin Sheridan, a veteran Republican strategist. Referring to Johnson, he added, “He seems to have found the right temperature for the porridge so far.”

                          But Jenna Lowenstein, executive director of Informing Democracy, a nonprofit devoted to vote counting and election certification, said she was “very concerned” about Johnson’s ascent.

                          “As a member of the House, Johnson was willing to use the powers of his office to try to obstruct a fair election and interfere with certification,” she said. “And we have to assume he would do the same with the broader powers of the speakership.”

                          Johnson has served as vice chair of the Republican conference and was previously the chair of the conservative Republican Study Committee. He is initially expected to be a more policy-minded leader than McCarthy, who was best known for his backslapping personality. McCarthy also objected to certifying the election and visited Trump in Mar-a-Lago only weeks after the attack on the Capitol, in a trip that was widely seen to restore some legitimacy to the former president.

                          An evangelical Christian, Johnson has vocally opposed abortion and gay marriage. (During the roll call vote in which he was elected as speaker, Rep. Angie Craig, D-Minn., pointedly declared, “Happy wedding anniversary to my wife!” to Democratic applause.) Democrats were quick to highlight some of his hard-line stances.

                          Elected to the House in 2016, the same year that Trump won the presidency, Johnson, a former constitutional law attorney, will have the least years of House experience of any speaker in many decades. But he is representative of the wave of House Republicans who have served in Washington only since the party was reshaped by Trump — and who are now a majority of the conference.

                          “If you don’t have a coup on your résumé,” Charlie Sykes, the Trump-tired editor-in-chief of The Bulwark, wrote in a column about the speakership fight, “don’t bother to apply.”
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                          So...Trump's "out of power"....right?
                          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                          • New Speaker Mike Johnson Blamed School Shootings on the Teaching of Evolution

                            Johnson’s comments ultimately imply science teachers are to blame for school shootings

                            While preaching a sermon in 2016, newly elected GOP Speaker Mike Johnson blamed mass shootings on the teaching of evolution.

                            Johnson remarks were delivered in a sermon titled Preserving Liberty at Christian Center Shreveport in 2016 in which he promoted his “legal ministry.

                            Johnson claimed the United States was founded as a Christian nation and then God was replaced over time for human reasoning. Johnson then said when the late 1960’s came it ushered in the “countercultural revolution, Woodstock, peace, and drugs” and further undermined religion and morality by introducing things like “no fault divorce laws” and “legalized abortion.”

                            Johnson then argued this “path” led to school shootings and blamed these shootings on students being taught evolution:
                            “And people say, ‘How can a young person go into their schoolhouse and open fire on their classmates?’ Because we’ve taught a whole generation, a couple generations now of Americans, that there’s no right or wrong, that it’s about survival of the fittest, and you evolve from the primordial slime. Why is that life of any sacred value? Because there’s nobody sacred to whom it’s owed. None of this should surprise us.”
                            Johnson was showing a slide presentation during his sermon. During this segment, Johnson displayed a slide showing an atheist banner, women’s rights protesters, and coverage of the Sandy Hook school shooting that claimed the lives of 20 children and 6 staff members.

                            Johnson’s statement indicates he believes that evolution means teaching no morals, believing in no right or wrong, and having no value for life.

                            Johnson also sees evolution not as potentially complimentary to a biblical faith, but views it as some fundamentalist Christians do, as the antithesis of his faith.

                            The implication of Johnson’s belief that the teaching of evolution is to blame for school shootings ultimately blames educators and scientists for school shootings. According to Johnson graphic, he’s lumped atheists and women’s reproductive rights advocates in there too.

                            Blaming evolution and the lack of societal piety allows Johnson to be off the hook politically for addressing the mass shooting and gun violence epidemic in our country. For Johnson, the answer to mass shootings is mass revival, not common sense gun laws.

                            Don’t expect Speaker Johnson to offer any legislative solutions to prevent school shootings. He’s too busy blaming school teachers.

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                            Oh that’s who Mike Johnson is. Condolences

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                            • 'Don’t expect Speaker Johnson to offer any legislative solutions to prevent school shootings.'

                              Close all schools perhaps?
                              If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                              • Originally posted by Monash View Post
                                'Don’t expect Speaker Johnson to offer any legislative solutions to prevent school shootings.'

                                Close all schools perhaps?
                                No...he'll keep them open just to be able to siphon their money for school vouchers which will send money to Christofascist academies!
                                “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                                Mark Twain

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