2022 Uvalde TX School Shooting

[Monash]

As the child of two teachers who became principals, I can correct your assertion.
Children enrolled in a particular public school are the legal responsibility of all the employees of that school. Even the janitor has a responsibility for the safety of students.
They may not leave the school grounds except under specific conditions; any injuries -- regardless of whether it happens at school or not -- has be reported up the chain (school district, social welfare system, police, depending on extent of injuries).

To clarify DOR, my comments related to Police Officers and their duty of care only. Not Teachers and other school employees who obviously do have a duty of care for any children under their supervision while on duty albeit that (again) it does not extend up to and include a requirement that they put their lives at risk.

[Monash]

And now the cowardly fuckers a refusing to cooperate with the investigation being conducted by the Texas Rangers.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-pol...ry?id=85093405

And the result? The hole they are digging for themselves only gets deeper!

[zraver]

To clarify DOR, my comments related to Police Officers and their duty of care only. Not Teachers and other school employees who obviously do have a duty of care for any children under their supervision while on duty.

And my argument is that fiction should be erased, both are agents of the state so the kids are in custody and a duty of care should attach.

[Monash]

And my argument is that fiction should be erased, both are agents of the state so the kids are in custody and a duty of care should attach.

Its not a 'fiction', its established law. And even placing Police on guard at every school in the country won't change that fact. The officers in question would still not be operating under any legal obligation to risk their own lives in defense of others at the penalty of civil/criminal sanctions for failing to do so.

[Albany Rifles]

Oh Really??? No SHIT???? No FUCKING Kidding!!!!!!!

And we will keep doing not a fucking thing....

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/18/1225340219/uvalde-report

Justice Department report finds 'cascading failures' in response to Uvalde attack


UPDATED JANUARY 18, 20241:02 PM ET

Ryan Lucas


A memorial is seen surrounding the Robb Elementary School sign following the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School on May 26, 2022 in Uvalde, Texas.

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A U.S. Justice Department report released Thursday on the 2022 school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, found "cascading failures" by law enforcement before, during, and after the attack that killed 19 children and two teachers.

The new report provides the most thorough accounting yet of the events of May 24, 2022, when the gunman opened fire at Robb Elementary in Uvalde in one of the worst school shootings in U.S. history. The report documents "cascading failures of leadership, decision-making, tactics, policy and training" that all contributed to the failed law enforcement response that saw police officers wait more than 70 minutes in the school hallways before confronting and killing the gunman.

"The victims and survivors of the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School deserved better," Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a statement accompanying the report. The law enforcement response at Robb Elementary on May 24, 2022 — and the response by officials in the hours and days after — was a failure."

The new report from the Justice Department, which runs more than 500 pages, provides a damning look at the law enforcement response to the shooting and the mistakes and missteps that had tragic consequences.

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"The most significant failure was that responding officers should have immediately recognized the incident as an active shooter situation, using the resources and equipment that were sufficient to push forward immediately and continuously toward the threat until entry was made into classrooms 111/112 and the threat was eliminated," the report says.

The goal of the review, the department says, is to provide an independent account of the law enforcement response to the shooting; to identify lessons learned to help prepare for future such incidents; and to provide a roadmap for community safety and engagement before, during and after such events.

The report found that police arrived at the school and entered the building three minutes after the gunman, who was still actively shooting inside classrooms 111 and 112 at the time.

Those officers quickly identified the location of the gunfire and ran toward those rooms—consistent, the report says, with the practice of quickly engaging an active shooter. The police approached the rooms where the shooter was, but retreated after some of the officers were hit with shrapnel from the shooter's gunfire.

From that point on, the report says, the police, including Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Department chief Pete Arredondo, began treating the incident as a "barricaded subject scenario and not as an active shooter situation."

That was a critical mistake that contributed to the tragedy.

"Despite their training and despite multiple events that indicated the subject continued to pose an active threat to students and staff in the building, including the likelihood and then confirmation of victims inside the room, officers on scene did not attempt to enter the room and stop the shooter for over an hour after they entered the building," the report says.

Instead, Chief Arredondo turned his attention to evacuating children and teachers in the building "to preserve and protect the lives of kids and teachers in the hot zone," the report says.

"This was a major contributing factor in the delay to making entry into rooms 111/112," according to the report. "The time it took to evacuate the entire building was 43 minutes."

Arredondo is singled out in the report at several points. It concludes that he was the de facto incident commander on the day, but that "he did not provide appropriate leadership, command, and control, including to establishing an incident command structure nor directing entry into classrooms 111 and 112."

That contributed to what the report says was an absence of leadership in the police response.

"Leadership in law enforcement is absolutely critical, especially in moments of a dire challenge, such as the active shooter incident at Robb Elementary School," the report says. "This leadership was absent for too long in the Robb Elementary School law enforcement response."

That does not fall solely on Chief Arredondo, according to the report. It says that leadership from the Uvalde Police Department, the school district police department, the Uvalde County Sheriff's Office, and the Texas Department of Public Safety "demonstrated no urgency for establishing a command and control structure."

That had several knock-on effects, including challenges sharing information, and "limited-to-no direction fore personnel in the hallway or on the perimeter."

The report is also sharply critical of how the authorities handled the aftermath of the shooting, particularly in how they communicated with the public.

In this instance, the report found that bad information and inconsistent messaging created confusion that compounded the suffering of those affected by the shooting, both on the day itself and later.

"The extent of misinformation, misguided and misleading narratives, leaks , and lack of communication about what happened on May 24 is unprecedented and has had an extensive, negative impact on the mental health and recovery of the family members and other victims, as well as the entire community of Uvalde," the report says.

[TopHatter]

Oh Really??? No SHIT???? No FUCKING Kidding!!!!!!!

And we will keep doing not a fucking thing....

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/18/1225340219/uvalde-report

If ONLY a good guy with a gun had been there to stop that bad guy!

[Officer of Engineers]

There was a GOOD GUY with a gun. He chickened off!

On the one hand, I get it. You don't know the threat. You don't make things worst by setting up a cross fire. But the threat was identified! Isolate the threat. Pin the fucker down with fire! Until you get re-enforcements! That wasn't done!

[Albany Rifles]

There was a GOOD GUY with a gun. He chickened off!

On the one hand, I get it. You don't know the threat. You don't make things worst by setting up a cross fire. But the threat was identified! Isolate the threat. Pin the fucker down with fire! Until you get re-enforcements! That wasn't done!

And more kids died because of that. THE FUCKING SWAT TEAM sat on their ass!!!

It took an enraged Border Patrol Officer with no jurisdiction to end it.

[tbm3fan]

And more kids died because of that. THE FUCKING SWAT TEAM sat on their ass!!!

It took an enraged Border Patrol Officer with no jurisdiction to end it.

Actually it was a Border Control Tactical Team that went it and took out the shooter.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-chec...g-733659143817

[Monash]

Saw the video and the VERY best you can say about the first responders was that their actions were ... sub par.

OK I get why the decision to withdraw was made when they were first fired upon. That may have been a tactically sound decision, especially if they couldn't get a good site picture on the offender from their initial line of approach but FGS that school was a single story complex with multiple entrance points!. They could easily have split their team in two and tried to reach/get LOS on the shooter from two lines of approach. Team one advances into contact as before and tries to distract/engage the shooter while the other team attacks from a different direction. You hold off only for as long as it takes the other team to get into position and give you a 'ready' confirmation. Then you go! Even if doing so puts one or both teams in the others line of fire it's still doable.

The thing is you get trained to deal with that kind of scenario - its called team work, communication and muzzle/trigger discipline. Two minutes tops is all it should have taken including the planning, (possibly less than that). They split and then try to reengage in such a way that the shooter is forced to risk giving one team or the other a clear LOS or failing that is forced to fall back into the class room. And if he chooses to do that well he surrenders access to the doorway to the cops and they they can advance to it in prep for a dynamic entry.

They just just looked ..... out of their depth. And they shouldn't have been, not that much anyway. We were put through our paces in mass shooting scenarios regularly even though jurisdictional issues meant we wouldn't ever be the default first responders to a public mass shooting.