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  • TopHatter
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    Trump during the 9/11 moment of silence this morning…says everything you need to know about this malignant narcissistic sociopath...

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    Check out Uday and Qusay in the second row. They look like they're itching for another bump of Big C.

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  • statquo
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    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

    I'm given to understand there was a murder committed on live TV last night: A woman clubbed a baby seal over the head with a sledgehammer.

    Other than that, not much.
    She put Donald over her lap and gave him a spanking over and over and over.

    Post analysis of the debate is talking about the contrast between the two. The main contrast I saw was that of a professional and a complete amateur. Trump looked real bad last night.

    It boggles my mind that when networks interviewing undecided voters after the debate, there’s still undecided voters who are unsure who they’ll vote for.

    On the other hand, reading Trumps supporters reactions, they think he won the debate and are questioning why childless cat ladies are silent while illegals are eating cats.
    Last edited by statquo; 11 Sep 24,, 17:40.

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  • tbm3fan
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    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

    I'm given to understand there was a murder committed on live TV last night: A woman clubbed a baby seal over the head with a sledgehammer.

    Other than that, not much.
    Clubbed a baby seal? Now that is horrible.

    OTOH, clubbing a rabid dog terrorizing the neighborhood sounds better to me. So long Cujo...

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
    To quote Thomas Jefferson in "Hamilton"...So, what'd I miss?
    I'm given to understand there was a murder committed on live TV last night: A woman clubbed a baby seal over the head with a sledgehammer.

    Other than that, not much.

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  • Albany Rifles
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    To quote Thomas Jefferson in "Hamilton"...So, what'd I miss?

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  • tbm3fan
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    Originally posted by Monash View Post

    Whose this 'we' your talking about paleface?
    We as in nation.

    Paleface? I'll have you know I have lived in California since I was 12 so I have had a tan ever since 1966...

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  • Bigfella
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    I am seeing a LOT of Trump supporters not only whining about the moderators (losers whine about umpiring) and even more actually conceding he lost (while still mostly blaming the moderators). If the cult members are saying he lost then he got hammered.

    I am just watching it now, so I'll have my own view soon.

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  • Monash
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    Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
    I counted at least 30 lies by Trump. He pretty much lied all the way through not that his loyal followers care since none of them can think for themselves anyway. He was so easy to bait and took about everyone of them hook, line, and sinker. When he went off on defending his rallies I bet every dictator in the world took notice as to how to manipulate him even more. I can see it now. Putin says I am going to take Poland and your rallies were absolutely amazing. Trump responds that yes they were amazing. I still am not able to process how addled minded so many Americans are. That, more than division, is what bothers me. If you can't think rationally on your own then we are IN trouble.
    Whose this 'we' your talking about paleface?

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  • tbm3fan
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    I counted at least 30 lies by Trump. He pretty much lied all the way through not that his loyal followers care since none of them can think for themselves anyway. He was so easy to bait and took about everyone of them hook, line, and sinker. When he went off on defending his rallies I bet every dictator in the world took notice as to how to manipulate him even more. I can see it now. Putin says I am going to take Poland and your rallies were absolutely amazing. Trump responds that yes they were amazing. I still am not able to process how addled minded so many Americans are. That, more than division, is what bothers me. If you can't think rationally on your own then we are IN trouble.

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  • Monash
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    The key question though is how did each candidate do overall i.e. who appeared to come out on top of the debate and to what degree?

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  • statquo
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    Is Trump trying to win an Oscar for a drama? There's sensationalism and there's Trump.

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  • TopHatter
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    Catching a few comments about the debate in progress: "Gish Gallop of lies from the sphincter-lipped rancid cantaloupe."

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  • TopHatter
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    1 in 4 Republicans supports political violence if election is 'compromised,' study says

    More than one in four Republicans and nearly one in three Republicans with a favorable view of former President Donald Trump say political violence is acceptable, a new study found.

    The study from Public Religion Research Institute, a nonprofit research organization, found that while only one in six Americans supports political violence, the numbers are much higher among Republicans than Democrats.

    The survey comes during the first presidential election since violent rioters attacked the U.S. Capitol in a failed attempt to overturn the election that Trump lost to President Joe Biden — and two months after Trump was shot in the ear in an assassination attempt.

    “This is not just a partisan issue,” said Robert Jones, the president of the organization. “It’s a Trump and MAGA issue. It’s the kind of Trumpian takeover of the Republican Party.”

    Anna Kelly, spokesperson for the Republican National Committee, said in a statement, " President Trump and Republicans stand for safer communities and keeping violent criminals off the streets."



    Violence and authoritarianism linked

    According to the survey, 27% of Republicans and 32% of Republicans with a favorable view of Trump agree that “patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country.” Only 10% of independents and 8% of Democrats said the same.

    Jones linked that support for political violence to support for authoritarianism. The study found that 67% of Republicans scored high on an authoritarian scale, including 75% of Trump-favoring Republicans, compared to 35% of independents and 28% of Democrats.


    To measure authoritarianism, the study asked respondents if they agreed with four statements, including whether the country should "do what the authorities tell us to do, and get rid of the 'rotten apples,'" and whether the country needed to "put some tough leaders in power, and silence the troublemakers spreading bad ideas."

    “Even those Americans who see themselves as a Republican but have an unfavorable view of Trump, they are far less likely to have this kind of authoritarian orientation that goes along with support for political violence,” Jones said.

    On political violence more specifically, 24% of Republicans and 27% of Trump-favoring Republicans say that “if the 2024 presidential election is compromised by voter fraud, everyday Americans will need to ensure the rightful leader takes office, even if it requires taking violent actions.” Only 15% of independents and 10% of Democrats agreed with the statement.




    There was also wide support on the right for having armed citizens serve as poll watchers ensure a fair presidential election. Twenty-four percent of Republicans supported that, compared to 28% of Trump-supporting Republicans and 10% of independents and Democrats.

    Candidates and major political parties have a long history of recruiting and training poll watchers to be their eyes and ears, but the poll watchers aren’t armed. The Brennan Center for Justice at New York University warned that poll watching is ripe for abuse. In 2022, Bloomberg reported armed people were showing up at voting sites.

    “A tinderbox of a country”

    Robert Pape, a professor at the University of Chicago who tracks views on political violence, told USA TODAY there has been a consistent trend since 2021 of millions of people supporting violence to meet political objectives.

    “The fundamental fact is we have been a tinderbox of a country for years, and we are heading into not just the most contentious election in our lifetimes but probably the most dangerous of our lifetimes,” Pape said.

    In June, the University of Chicago’s poll found that 7% of American adults, including almost 12% of Republicans, support the use of force to return Trump to the presidency. On the other hand, 10% of Americans, and about 12% of Democrats, support the use of force to prevent Trump from becoming president again.

    “The real danger starts on Nov. 6,” Pape said. “Most people right now are very focused on Nov. 5 but the real danger here is likely to start Nov. 6.”
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  • tbm3fan
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    Harris was prosecutor so does anyone really think she would crack and falter. If she goes after him, as though he was taking the stand and make him uncomfortable, we all know Trump won't be able to contain himself.

    Speaking of Trump it seems he now believes putting tariffs on all foreign goods will solve the child care issue as it will bring in trillions. Yep, trillions out of the MAGA pockets. Of course, they are too stupid to see the end result of that.

    Oh, and he can find even more money by setting up a Commission on government waste in spending. Naturally we want a sane person to head that up and the logical choice, for Trump, would be Elon Musk.

    So fasten your seat belts as it is going to be a bumpy ride...

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  • TopHatter
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    4 possible outcomes of the Trump vs. Harris debate

    Appropriately, given the general vibe of 2024, former President Donald Trump announced last week that he had agreed to the Sept. 10 presidential debate in a chaotic Truth Social post that took aim at the “Radical Left Democrats” and “ABC FAKE NEWS.”

    This was followed up a few days later with an X post from Vice President Kamala Harris taunting Trump over whether the microphones should be unmuted. “If his own team doesn’t have confidence in him, the American people definitely can’t. We are running for President of the United States. Let’s debate in a transparent way—with the microphones on the whole time,” she wrote.

    In the end, the ABC debate next week will have the same rules agreed to by the two sides back when a different person was the Democratic candidate — and the mics will remain muted while the other debater is speaking.

    But the social media nonsense is just an appetizer ahead of the coming political and cultural feast — the most consequential presidential debate in decades.

    Or at least since June.

    Yes, the June 27 CNN debate proved to be a game-changer, upending the presidential cycle and the course of history. President Biden performed so poorly that he was nudged, then pushed, to step aside. It took a few weeks, but those 90 minutes were eventually enough to complete the political extraction.

    Back in June, I laid out four possible outcomes for the debate between Trump and Biden — including the one that ultimately unfolded.

    So here we go again. The participants in the debate have changed by 50 percent, but the stakes remain equally high in what will likely be the only meeting between Trump and Harris. Here are four possible outcomes, and the political fallout that could come from each:

    1. A Harris meltdown could shake up the race one last time

    It won’t be the sort of mentally unfit moment crystalizing in front of our eyes that finished Biden, but there’s a scenario where Harris appears flustered, entirely out of her depth and simply not ready for prime time. If Trump remains the relatively disciplined debater that he was in June, it would leave the legacy media no choice but to bite the bullet and admit the truth — that Harris failed in a big way, on the biggest stage.

    If that happens, don’t completely rule out the possibility that Harris could find herself off the ticket in short order. As I wrote in July when she was rapidly anointed to the top spot, there are legitimate questions about Harris’s role in covering up Biden’s cognitive decline. Yes, we’re very late in the game now, but there is still a scenario where she could be swapped off the ticket, and the Democratic National Committee selects the new nominee.

    Of course there’s a time crunch relating to the ballots and early voting, but as we’re seeing with RFK Jr. now, this is not a settled issue. Considering the existential fight the Democrats believe they’re facing in a second Trump presidency, don’t dismiss something shocking happening…like DNC star Michelle Obama stepping in, in a race where she has to do zero debates with Trump?

    2. Lose-lose is a slight win for Harris

    If Harris fails, but Trump also performs poorly — perhaps returning to his worst instincts and habits — then Harris likely walks away from the debate with a slight edge heading into November. Her surrogates — her buddies in the Acela media — would immediately jump into overdrive, and the entire post-debate conversation would turn to the “lies” and “danger” of Trump.

    If we’re being honest, the race is really only going to come down to a small number of swing voters in swing states. These still-somehow-persuadable voters will likely cast their ballot either “for Trump” or “against Trump.” Harris can afford to lose a debate — as long as Trump loses too.

    3. Win-win gives Trump a November edge

    If Harris hits her talking points, and ABC’s hosts don’t force her off of them, she could easily walk away with a “win” declaration from the left and the press. But if Trump performs like he did in June, that will overshadow Harris’s performance in the eyes of voters who matter.

    Politico’s Matthew Kaminski wrote this week that Harris’s “secret power” is that “she is whatever you want her to be.” That may be a “secret power” to the D.C. elite, but to American voters who cares about substance over style, being intentionally vague won’t resonate. And it especially won’t if Trump is his best self — self-assured, strong and precise. Harris can’t get away with being everything to everyone, even if her canned lines and scripted answers land well with cable news pundits.

    4. Harris thrives, Trump falters — then get ready for chaos

    James Carville gave some advice to Harris in the New York Times this week, including how to “goad” Trump into devolving into “personal attacks.” It’s certainly a path we could see, and if Harris follows the playbook her campaign and advisors lay out for her, and Trump flails through petty tantrums, it’s clearly good for the Harris campaign.

    But if that happens, and Trump ultimately knows he lost — look out. He’s not going to go down without a fight, and we’ll have ample time for significant wild circumstances to shake up the race. Sept. 10 is still more than two weeks before the first presidential debate took place in 2016 or 2020. We’ve got time for a September surprise before we even reach October surprise range.

    In that sense, the only scenario where the debate doesn’t matter much at all might just be if Trump loses big. That would bring about even more insanity to blunt the potential debate fallout.

    Political observers will forever remember Biden saying “we beat Medicare” at the June debate. Next week, we could get another touchpoint for the 2024 chaos time capsule.
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    Place your bets ladies and gentlemen, place your bets....

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