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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by JRT View Post
    On the federal charges, I suspect that a POTUS can direct the US Attorney General to make a choice to either resign or have the prosecutors drop the charges and withdraw the federal cases against the POTUS. If so, and if he does not suffer a federal conviction prior to the early afternoon of 20 January 2025, a newly reelected President Trump would not need immunity and does not need ability to directly pardon himself, when he can influence the US Attorney General or his replacements until POTUS eventually gets what he wants from them.
    He'll also be able to stymie the State charges as well. Not outright cancel them of course, but stall them long enough that they get dropped for one reason or another.

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  • JRT
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    On the federal charges, I suspect that a POTUS can direct the US Attorney General to make a choice to either resign or have the prosecutors drop the charges and withdraw the federal cases against the POTUS. If so, and if he does not suffer a federal conviction prior to the early afternoon of 20 January 2025, a newly reelected President Trump would not need immunity and does not need ability to directly pardon himself, when he can influence the US Attorney General or his replacements until POTUS eventually gets what he wants from them.
    Last edited by JRT; 05 Feb 24,, 20:20.

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  • TopHatter
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    Trump heads to US Supreme Court with a familiar claim: he is untouchable


    Former U.S. President and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump holds a rally in advance of the New Hampshire primary election in Laconia

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Donald Trump will try to persuade the U.S. Supreme Court this week to reverse a judicial decision to kick him off the ballot in Colorado over his actions concerning the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack, arguing that the constitutional provision his opponents cite does not apply to him as a former president.

    It may not be the only time Trump makes this type of assertion to the justices. As he fights four criminal cases and civil litigation in lower courts, Trump has repeatedly advanced a bold argument: that he is formally immune or otherwise not subject to these legal challenges.

    "Trump appears obsessed with trying to place himself above the law. The theme running throughout these claims is that he cannot be held liable at law for anything he has done," said constitutional law expert Michael Gerhardt, a University of North Carolina law professor. "No president or former president has made such outlandish, self-serving claims."

    The Supreme Court, whose 6-3 conservative majority includes three Trump appointees, on Thursday is scheduled to hear Trump's appeal of a ruling by Colorado's top court that disqualified him from the state's Republican primary ballot under the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment for engaging in insurrection. He is the frontrunner for his party's nomination to challenge Democratic President Joe Biden in the Nov. 5 U.S. election.

    While Trump has not asserted sweeping presidential immunity as a defense in that case, the Supreme Court still may have to confront the issue, including in criminal and civil actions over his attempts to overturn his 2020 election loss and defamation claims by a woman who accused him of rape.

    Trump in the past has shown contempt for constraints on his actions. He famously said during his successful 2016 presidential campaign that he "could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters."

    In his effort to escape federal criminal charges involving his efforts to overturn his 2020 loss to Biden, a lawyer for Trump indicated to appellate judges that a president could order Navy commandos to assassinate a political rival and still be immune from prosecution unless first being impeached by the House of Representatives and convicted by the Senate.

    IMMUNITY CLAIM

    Asked to comment on his immunity assertions, a Trump campaign spokesperson pointed to his Jan. 10 social media post stating that a president could not function without "COMPLETE IMMUNITY." In a post nine days later, Trump said presidents need immunity even for "events that 'cross the line.'"

    The Supreme Court will confront novel questions when it reviews the Colorado Supreme Court's decision that Trump is disqualified from the presidency under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which bars any "officer of the United States" who "engaged in insurrection" from holding public office. In that case, Trump contends that he is not subject to Section 3 because the president is not an "officer of the United States."

    Trump is advancing claims of immunity in other cases that could reach the Supreme Court, which historically has held that presidential immunity, while it exists, cannot be absolute.

    In cases involving former Presidents Richard Nixon in 1982 and Bill Clinton in 1997, the court found that presidents have absolute immunity from civil lawsuits for acts undertaken in their official capacity, but not from suits concerning personal and unofficial conduct. It has never ruled directly on whether presidents are immune from criminal prosecution.

    Trump's fight against federal criminal charges involving his efforts to undo his election defeat is now pending before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit after a federal judge rejected his immunity assertion.

    University of California, Berkeley, law professor John Yoo, who served in President George W. Bush's administration, said he expects the Supreme Court would reject Trump's claim.

    "His lawyers are pressing unprecedented arguments that are likely to fail in court, but they are not frivolous," Yoo said.

    Trump has similarly claimed presidential immunity as a defense in a Georgia criminal case concerning election interference, civil lawsuits involving the Capitol riot, and in writer E. Jean Carroll's lawsuit accusing him of defaming her by denying in 2019 that he raped her in the 1990s.

    The Supreme Court in 2020 rejected Trump's claim of immunity from a subpoena that then-Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. issued as part of an investigation into hush money paid by Trump's then-lawyer to a porn star before the 2016 election.

    Some legal experts expressed doubt that Trump will prevail at the Supreme Court on the immunity issue, but warned of the consequences if he does. It would "send the dangerous message that presidents can disregard the Constitution and federal law with impunity," said Brianne Gorod, chief counsel at the Constitutional Accountability Center, a liberal legal group.

    "A win for Trump in the immunity case," Gorod said, "would be profoundly troubling regardless of who wins the election this November."
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  • JRT
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    Originally posted by CNN
    Wednesday, 31 January 2024
    'Complete pro-Trump scam':
    Ex-Nevada GOP chair slams state's Caucus

    (04 min, 28 sec)

    Donald Trump is certain to win all 26 of Nevada’s Republican presidential delegates thanks to maneuvering by the state’s Republican party that some critics say is rigging the vote.
    ...

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  • Monash
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    Originally posted by statquo View Post

    I guess it would depend on what she’s reading to me
    What? Fifty Shades of Grey or The Times literary supplement?

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  • statquo
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    Originally posted by Monash View Post

    Come on man. A few beers, a dark night, some Barry White?
    I guess it would depend on what she’s reading to me

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  • Monash
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    Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post



    Nah...but it is time to fire up the Ragin' Cajun James Carville et al!
    How very romantic.

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  • Albany Rifles
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    Originally posted by Monash View Post

    Come on man. A few beers, a dark night, some Barry White?


    Nah...but it is time to fire up the Ragin' Cajun James Carville et al!

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  • Monash
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    Originally posted by statquo View Post

    Democrats also have maybe one of the worst PR/Bragging Departments in history. Democrats have the charisma of my librarian. They need Gavin Newsome to get out on a national media tour.
    Come on man. A few beers, a dark night, some Barry White?

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  • Albany Rifles
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    Originally posted by statquo View Post

    Democrats also have maybe one of the worst PR/Bragging Departments in history. Democrats have the charisma of my librarian. They need Gavin Newsome to get out on a national media tour.
    Not denying that at all. Our messaging needs better work ASAP.

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  • statquo
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    Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
    Hey all...I think this has gone a little too far. We can argue trans rights on another thread. Let's not let this go into the gutter.

    To the question of why half of America doesn't like Biden? Easy...he is a Democrat. Republicans no longer cross the aisle...neither do we Democrats. Elections are always decided by the 8 - 10% middle...the very few true independents. Joe Biden has accomplished a tremendous amount in his Administration...it rivals FDR's first administration in what he has delivered to the American people. But he is not an oligarch or dictator. He has to work with divided government and state houses across the country who will do nothing other than what the Koch Brothers want. Somethings he has wanted to do he hasn't been able to...student loan forgiveness, a permanent fix for The Dreamers, 100% shift away from fossil fuels to name a few. What he has done is still remarkable and is all he could do in the realm of the possible.

    So many people do not realize just how badly this nation...and world...was damaged by 2017-21. We have not fully come back. But what Biden has performed some damn near miracles over the last three years. But some are not satisfied and media is doing a shitty job covering it. Hell, I hear better reporting on the effects of the US economy listening to BBC & CBC!
    Democrats also have maybe one of the worst PR/Bragging Departments in history. Democrats have the charisma of my librarian. They need Gavin Newsome to get out on a national media tour.

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  • Albany Rifles
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    Hey all...I think this has gone a little too far. We can argue trans rights on another thread. Let's not let this go into the gutter.

    To the question of why half of America doesn't like Biden? Easy...he is a Democrat. Republicans no longer cross the aisle...neither do we Democrats. Elections are always decided by the 8 - 10% middle...the very few true independents. Joe Biden has accomplished a tremendous amount in his Administration...it rivals FDR's first administration in what he has delivered to the American people. But he is not an oligarch or dictator. He has to work with divided government and state houses across the country who will do nothing other than what the Koch Brothers want. Somethings he has wanted to do he hasn't been able to...student loan forgiveness, a permanent fix for The Dreamers, 100% shift away from fossil fuels to name a few. What he has done is still remarkable and is all he could do in the realm of the possible.

    So many people do not realize just how badly this nation...and world...was damaged by 2017-21. We have not fully come back. But what Biden has performed some damn near miracles over the last three years. But some are not satisfied and media is doing a shitty job covering it. Hell, I hear better reporting on the effects of the US economy listening to BBC & CBC!

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  • DOR
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    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! iT IS WITHIN THE bIDEN aDMINISTRATION THAT MY GRANDAUGHTER IS SUBJECT TO TRANS RIGHTS!

    ARE YOU OPPOSE TO THIS! YES OR NO!

    DON 'T GIVE ME ANY OTHER EXCUSE! IF YOU ARE NOT OPPOSE TO THIS, THEN YOU ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MY .30-06!

    i will be fucking BLUNT! TRANS HAVE ZERO RIGHTS TO BE TRANS!
    Who told you that trans people are pedophiles?
    You’ll want to check your source on that one.

    When was the last time you saw a man — trans or not — “swinging his dick” in a women’s restroom? Remember, women’s restrooms don’t have urinals!
    Again, please check your sources more carefully.

    Am I opposed to bigoted know-nothings telling an entire segment of society that they “have zero rights”?
    You bet I am!

    Are you threatening me with a .30-.06 ?
    Maybe you don’t want to do that, since there may well be consequences to such talk.

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  • Officer of Engineers
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    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
    So, transgenderism should be eradicated from public life, is that it Sir?
    When a 30 year old man is swinging his dick in my granddaughter in a public washroom, you bet I want it gone. That's paedophilia.
    Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 03 Feb 24,, 19:28.

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post

    i will be fucking BLUNT! TRANS HAVE ZERO RIGHTS TO BE TRANS!
    So, transgenderism should be eradicated from public life, is that it Sir?

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