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Well that’s not insurrection but I’m envisioning the Trump acolytes already know how they’ll invoke it. They’ll instigate mass protests for something right out of the gate and then be quick to invoke it. And once’s it’s invoked, is there a limitation to what they can use it for?
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I'd love to see how it worked in practice (no, check that I wouldn't). Federalizing' some of the self claimed militias out there in the US would be more less handing them a license to run rampant and whose going to be giving them orders and directing their actions? They'd simply refuse to obey any order or direction they disagreed with. These Militias have no real cohesion of universally recognized leadership now as it is. Once they were 'Federalized'? It would be chaos.Originally posted by statquo View PostLeave a comment:
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Yes, a very grey area. Lots of interpretations of the bit below:Originally posted by statquo View Post
The Act empowers the U.S. president to call into service the U.S. Armed Forces and the National Guard:- when requested by a state's legislature, or governor if the legislature cannot be convened, to address an insurrection against that state (§ 251),
- to address an insurrection, in any state, which makes it impracticable to enforce the law (§ 252), or
- to address an insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination or conspiracy, in any state, which results in the deprivation of constitutionally secured rights, and where the state is unable, fails, or refuses to protect said rights
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Trump would get different degrees of co-operation depending on which Party was in government in each State. The result would be chaos. He couldn't force Stats to co-operate with the roundup unless he could convince the National Armed Forces to intervene which wouldn't happen (probably). So all that would be left would be for is for citizen MAGA groups to 'deputize' themselves (or be deputized by Trump but honestly I can't see even him being that stupid) and attempt to carry out the expulsions themselves. And even in States that did co-operate many citizens would attempt to interfere or help hide the illegals. Fourth Amendment rights alone would make the entire process a nightmare. The courts would be inundated with warrant applications. And if they're not? The whole process would degenerate into anarchy on State by State basis in a domino effect.Last edited by Monash; 04 May 24,, 06:35.Leave a comment:
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Using the National Guard, to round up illegal immigrants in California, would be interesting. No way Gov. Newsom is going to allow the Guard to patrol our southern border from San Ysidro all the way to Arizona. On top of that I don't think local police are interested in that job either at least here in California. So who you gonna call...?Originally posted by Monash View PostWonderful, just wonderful
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Fvcking terrifyingOriginally posted by Monash View PostWonderful, just wonderfulLeave a comment:
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TIME just had a big spread on what a second Trump term would look like. It's too long to quote so I'll leave the link and the link to the transcript with Trump.
TranscriptHow Far Trump Would Go
Donald Trump thinks he’s identified a crucial mistake of his first term: He was too nice.
We’ve been talking for more than an hour on April 12 at his fever-dream palace in Palm Beach. Aides lurk around the perimeter of a gilded dining room overlooking the manicured lawn. When one nudges me to wrap up the interview, I bring up the many former Cabinet officials who refuse to endorse Trump this time. Some have publicly warned that he poses a danger to the Republic. Why should voters trust you, I ask, when some of the people who observed you most closely do not?
As always, Trump punches back, denigrating his former top advisers. But beneath the typical torrent of invective, there is a larger lesson he has taken away. “I let them quit because I have a heart. I don’t want to embarrass anybody,” Trump says. “I don’t think I’ll do that again. From now on, I’ll fire.”
Six months from the 2024 presidential election, Trump is better positioned to win the White House than at any point in either of his previous campaigns. He leads Joe Biden by slim margins in most polls, including in several of the seven swing states likely to determine the outcome. But I had not come to ask about the election, the disgrace that followed the last one, or how he has become the first former—and perhaps future—American President to face a criminal trial. I wanted to know what Trump would do if he wins a second term, to hear his vision for the nation, in his own words.
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Republicans say a late convention could keep Biden off some ballots. It hasn't mattered before.
Republican secretaries of state in Alabama and Ohio are warning President Joe Biden’s campaign that Biden might not be placed on their general election ballots because the Democratic Party’s late-August convention falls after state ballot deadlines.
It’s not the first time a convention has been held in late August — but it would be a first if any related ballot access questions weren’t solved easily, without fanfare or much controversy. And an NBC News analysis of other state deadlines suggests there aren’t likely to be other related hiccups for Democrats outside of these two states.
The Biden campaign is resolute: It believes he’ll be on every state’s presidential ballot no matter what, pointing to a long history of similar issues getting solved without any fight — including in 2020, in Alabama, Oklahoma, Illinois, Washington and Montana. It’s unclear whether Republicans will ultimately lend a hand to Democrats in either state to solve the issue in the most straightforward way: making small changes to state law.
John Merrill, a Republican who served as Alabama’s secretary of state until 2022, told NBC News that he thought the usually pro forma process shouldn’t fall victim to politics.
“We have a Democratic president today, but four years ago we had a Republican president. We’re going to have a Republican president again and we will have a Democratic president again,” Merrill told NBC News.
“It’s not something that needs to be advanced or promoted only because it’s a Democrat or a Republican [in office].”
He also noted that since the incumbent president’s party traditionally holds its convention second, both parties may find themselves bumping up against these deadlines again.
Alabama Secretary of State Wes Allen publicized a letter warning the state and national Democratic Party that state law requires them to provide his office with a certificate of nomination for president and vice president by Aug. 15, four days before the Democratic convention starts.
“If those certificates are not in my office on time, there will be no certification and no appearance on the Alabama general election ballot,” Allen said in a statement released as his office made the letter public.
“I took an oath to uphold and defend the laws and constitution of my State, and I take that oath very seriously. I will administer Alabama elections in accordance with Alabama law and the deadlines provided therein,” Allen said in a subsequent statement to NBC News.
But both Alabama and Allen have recent experience with this exact issue. When the GOP was in this situation, in 2020, state Republicans voted to relax this deadline to ensure then-President Donald Trump obtained ballot access.
That legislation passed unanimously, with Allen, who was a state legislator at the time, among the “yes” votes. That year, top officials with both the Republican Party and Democratic Party also sent Merrill’s office a “conditional” certification ahead of the convention stating their intention to nominate Trump and Biden respectively. Those conditional certifications were included in Merrill’s 2020 candidate certifications, which are posted on the secretary of state’s website.
Allen’s office didn’t respond to an additional request for comment on whether he’d encourage his former colleagues in the Legislature to pass similar legislation to clear up the potential issue. But a spokeswoman did tell NBC News that they believe state law doesn’t allow Allen to approve any provisional certification ahead of the party’s official nomination.
AL.com reported Thursday that a Democratic Party attorney in Alabama wrote Allen’s office a letter asking the secretary to accept a provisional certification this year too, arguing that a failure to do so would be unconstitutional.
Also on Thursday, a group of Democratic lawmakers filed legislation that would amend the deadline and fix the problem. But they’ll need Republicans to pass the bill through the GOP-controlled Legislature.
John Wahl, the state Republican Party chair, gave no indication he’d suggest Republicans work to help the Democrats. Instead, he released a statement attacking Democrats for holding their convention outside of the deadline, claiming it showed “shocking disregard for Alabama’s electoral process.”
If legislators refuse to change the deadline and Allen holds firm on his opposition to provisional certifications, Democrats will have two other potential avenues — suing for ballot access, or holding some sort of earlier official nomination vote ahead of the Chicago convention. The Biden campaign believes past precedent in both Ohio and Alabama would weigh heavily in any potential lawsuit.
Asked about the situation in Alabama and Ohio, a Biden campaign official told NBC News that the president “will be on the ballot in all 50 states.”
“State officials have the ability to grant provisional ballot access certification prior to the conclusion of presidential nominating conventions. In 2020 alone, states like Alabama, Illinois, Montana and Washington all allowed provisional certification for Democratic and Republican nominees,” the official added.
President Joe Biden arrives for a groundbreaking ceremony near New Albany, Ohio, in 2022.
In Ohio, state law requires presidential and vice presidential nominees to be “certified to the secretary of state or nominated” through one of several manners “on or before the ninetieth day before the day of the general election.”
That means 12 days before the start of the Democratic National Convention — Aug. 7 — is the Buckeye State’s deadline.
Paul Disantis, chief counsel for Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose, warned of the potential for a missed deadline in an April 5 letter to Ohio Democratic Party Chair Liz Walters.
LaRose spokesperson Ben Kindel noted that the Legislature approved a temporary exception in 2020, when Democrats and Republicans both held conventions after the 90-day deadline. But it’s not an issue this year for the GOP, which enjoys overwhelming majorities in the Ohio state House and Senate.
It’s unclear whether enough Republican lawmakers are willing to help Democrats by changing the law, the simplest way out of the bind.
Pat Melton, a spokesperson for Ohio state House Speaker Jason Stephens, said LaRose gave the Republican speaker a heads up before sending his original letter and that Stephens and House GOP leadership are still “reviewing” the matter.
State Rep. Bill Seitz, a long-serving Republican lawmaker, told NBC News that he is “certainly open” to making the change consistent with precedent.
“After the Republicans have spent five months criticizing Colorado and Maine for trying to bounce Trump, I think we would look like hypocrites if we tried to bounce Biden,” Seitz said. “So that’s one good reason why we should be open to this change. Frankly, I think we need a bigger discussion over why we have this law in the first place.”
State Sen. Niraj Antani, another Republican, was less charitable.
“There’s 0 chance I vote to help Joe Biden,” Antani wrote in a text message. “Democrats have known about this law for years. This is on them.”
But Ohio state Senate President Matt Huffman doesn’t believe legislation is needed to resolve the matter.
“I think the national committee doesn’t have to wait till their convention to notify the state of Ohio who their candidate is,” he told reporters Wednesday. “So we’ll wait for the Democratic leaders to suggest how that would get solved.”
Donald McTigue, a Democratic lawyer based in Ohio, sent a letter this week to LaRose’s chief counsel committing the Democratic Party to “provisionally certify, by the August 7 statutory deadline, that President Biden and Vice President Harris will be the Democratic nominees, and will confirm the results of the Democratic National Convention … to the Secretary of State by August 25, 2024.”
Kindel said Thursday that the secretary of state’s office is still reviewing the letter.
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Trump says he'll jail his opponents. Members of the House Jan. 6 committee are preparing
California Democratic Reps. Pete Aguilar of Redlands, Adam B. Schiff of Burbank and Zoe Lofgren of San Jose, all members of the House Jan. 6 panel, could be among Trump's targets if he's reelected. (Kent Nishimura/Los Angeles Times)
Members of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol have warned America for three years to take former President Donald Trump at his word.
Now, as Trump is poised to win the Republican presidential nomination, his criminal trials face delays that could stall them past election day, and his rhetoric grows increasingly authoritarian, some of those lawmakers find themselves following their own advice.
In mid-March, Trump said on social media that the committee members should be jailed. In December he vowed to be a dictator on "day one." In August, he said he would "have no choice" but to lock up his political opponents.
"If he intends to eliminate our constitutional system and start arresting his political enemies, I guess I would be on that list,” said Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-San Jose). “One thing I did learn on the committee is to pay attention and listen to what Trump says, because he means it.”
Lofgren added that she doesn't yet have a plan in place to thwart potential retribution by Trump. But Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Burbank), who has long been a burr in Trump's side, said he’s having “real-time conversations” with his staff about how to make sure he stays safe if Trump follows through on his threats.
“We're taking this seriously, because we have to,” Schiff said. "We've seen this movie before … and how perilous it is to ignore what someone is saying when they say they want to be a dictator.”
The bipartisan Jan. 6 select committee, which included Schiff and Lofgren, spent months investigating the attack that left five people dead and more than 150 police officers injured as Trump supporters stormed the Capitol while Congress was certifying Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 presidential election. The committee's blockbuster broadcast hearings and an 845-page final report set the narrative that Trump knew he had fairly lost the election but pursued a scheme to keep himself in power anyway.
A Justice Department investigation by special counsel Jack Smith was expected to be the legal confirmation of what the committee found, setting up the potential for a criminal conviction against Trump for attempting to subvert the election.
But the process has faced numerous delays. The Justice Department didn't indict Trump until August 2023, charging him with four felony counts. The Supreme Court then dealt a severe blow to Smith’s plans for a spring trial by agreeing to take up a question of presidential immunity at the end of April. The court's decision is not expected to be released until mid-summer, and then Trump's team will likely be allowed an additional 90 days to prepare for trial.
“I'm fearful that the Supreme Court is deliberately slow-walking this," Schiff said in an interview, adding that the court should never have taken up the immunity question after trial Judge Tanya Chutkan and appeals courts ruled that presidential immunity did not apply in the case.
"The claim is borderline frivolous ... they're drawing it out just enough to make it almost infeasible to try [the cases] before the election," Schiff said.
"It's still possible to get it done," he added. "And I think voters deserve to have that information.“
Schiff and other committee members say that the Justice Department was too slow to focus on Trump's role, while the committee had quickly pivoted its investigation to Trump and the mechanics of the plan to have some states' electors be thrown out by Vice President Mike Pence in order to deny Biden the Oval Office.
"This was the first time in which the Congress was so far out ahead of the department, and given how slowly we move here there was no reason for that to happen,” Schiff said.
He said while it appears the Justice Department wanted to reestablish its independent reputation and not embroil itself in controversy, “it nonetheless delayed accountability for a year, year and a half. And so the case could have been over by now.”
Former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), who was vice chair of the select committee, called Trump's legal moves "a delaying tactic."
“It cannot be the case that a president of the United States can attempt to overturn an election and seize power and that our justice system is incapable of holding a trial, of holding him to account, before the next election," she told a crowd at Iowa’s Drake University last week.
Lofgren said it would be best for the federal trial to conclude before the election "just so American voters would know whether they were voting for a convicted felon or not.”
Trump also faces election racketeering charges in Fulton County, Ga., along with a cadre of co-defendants. That trial has not yet been scheduled, and the breadth of the case and number of co-defendants could mean it won't take place before November.
Committee member Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) was still optimistic that one of the election obstruction cases might conclude before the election.
"I've got faith in the American people and ... in American democracy. So it's not remotely over yet,” Raskin said.
Meanwhile, a House Republican probe into the causes of the Jan. 6 insurrection is underway to shift away from the narrative that Trump was to blame for the Capitol attack. The House Administration Committee's oversight panel is expected to hold several hearings before the election, and recently released a report that pushed back against the Democratic-led select committee's focus on Trump.
Much of the new investigation has focused on whether the select committee had hidden information that may have exonerated Trump. House Republicans have repeatedly alleged that information, such as some transcripts, is missing.
Cheney has asserted that Trump's legal team had all of the transcripts from the select committee, including those that the committee has had to return to the White House and the Secret Service since August of 2023.
Cheney “should go to Jail along with the rest of the Unselect Committee!” Trump posted on social media March 17.
Cheney replied the same day, "Lying in all caps doesn't make it true, Donald. You know you and your lawyers have long had the evidence."
Trump has referred to locking up his political enemies before, in increasingly authoritarian rhetoric. In August conservative broadcaster Glenn Beck asked Trump on his BlazeTV show, “Do you regret not locking [Clinton] up? And if you’re president again, will you lock people up?”
Trump said: “The answer is you have no choice, because they’re doing it to us.”
It's the kind of talk that has Rep. Peter Aguilar (D-Redlands), who served on the Jan. 6 committee, answering "yes" when asked whether he's preparing for the possibility of Trump following through on threats to punish political rivals.
Aguilar wasn't willing to provide details, saying only that "all of us have to be prepared for what Donald Trump could do if he ever gets ahold of power again."
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That's your next generation of GOP leaders. Looking to be put in charge of public schools, education, and kids futures.
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On the topic of dehumanizing/denouncing language:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------North Carolina GOP schools nominee previously called for executions of Biden, Obama: Report
The Republican nominee in North Carolina for superintendent of public instruction has a history of violent comments toward Democrats, including former President Obama and President Biden, a CNN investigation uncovered.
Michele Morrow called for the executions of Obama and Biden in 2020, CNN found, along with other comments on social media between 2019 and 2021 that said prominent democrats including former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) should be executed for treason.
Morrow recently beat out Catherine Truitt, the incumbent for the position, in the Republican primary, making her the Republican choice for the position this fall.
In May 2020, Morrow told another social media user who said Obama should be in Guantanamo Bay, that she “prefer[s] a Pay Per View of him in front of the firing squad,” and she doesn’t “want to waste another dime on supporting his life. We could make some money back from televising his death.”
In that same year, when then President-elect Biden said he would have all Americans wear masks, Morrow wrote “Never. We need to follow the Constitution’s advice and KILL all TRAITORS!!! #JusticeforAmerica.”
The threats did not stop at the two presidents — she threatened other Democratic lawmakers and top officials.
“Obama did it. Hillary did it. Schiff did it. Comey did it. Yates did it. Holder did it. Clapper did it. Gates did it. Fauci did it. Time for #WeThePeople to DO IT and #DrainTheSwamp!!!!! #NoJusticeNoCountry #Death ToTraitors #ProsecuteThemNow #TakeBackAmerica .@dbongino #KAG,” she said in a 2020 tweet.
Morrow responded to the CNN investigation in a tweet on X, formerly known as Twitter. She did not deny or retract any of her previous comments.
“According to @KFILE and @CNN @CNNPolitics, Obama’s drone attacks on hundreds of innocent Muslims in Yemen are not treasonous. The insanity of the media demonstrates the need to teach K-12 students real history and critical thinking skills. #ncpol” Morrow said.
Morrow has also perpetuated QAnon conspiracies and anti-Muslim comments on her social media over the years, CNN found.
The candidate previously called public schools “socialism centers” and said during her campaign for superintendent she would want to get rid of the state’s Department of Education.
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