2024 U.S. Election of President and Vice President

[TopHatter]

Only that was four years ago. He has gotten fours years older in his brain. He is more and more focused on his loss in 2020. He was rejected publicly and he can't handle that. He rambles on more. He is incoherent more. The one thing that works in his favor is that there is no audience. When there is an audience he plays to them and feeds off of them. Those are the times he really goes way off script. The bigger the applause, the more lies he tells, for more applause. Don't forget those hand and arm gestures of him. I was incredibly big, so big...

That is VERY true. That's one of the reasons why I'm keeping my money in my pocket lol

[tbm3fan]

The 2nd debate for the 2020 election showed how he can perform.


Here's an excerpt from back then:

Only that was four years ago. He has gotten fours years older in his brain. He is more and more focused on his loss in 2020. He was rejected publicly and he can't handle that. He rambles on more. He is incoherent more. The one thing that works in his favor is that there is no audience. When there is an audience he plays to them and feeds off of them. Those are the times he really goes way off script. The bigger the applause, the more lies he tells, for more applause. Don't forget those hand and arm gestures of him. I was incredibly big, so big...

[TopHatter]

Not sure about how well he will do based on the mics being turned off when it is not his turn. And not sure how doing interviews in lieu of debate prep will work for the former President.

And hello Julie!

The 2nd debate for the 2020 election showed how he can perform.


Here's an excerpt from back then:

Presidential debate: Key takeaways from the Trump-Biden showdown

The mute button, or at least the threat of it, seemed to work. In the second presidential debate, Donald Trump and Joe Biden were more restrained.

The candidates allowed each other to speak. They used respectful tones. Even when they went on the attack, they did so in a calm, deliberate manner.

After a pugnacious first debate, during which Donald Trump's constant interruptions may have cost him support in subsequent opinion polls, the president has very visibly dialled down the volume - and it made him a much more effective debater.

This time, the content of what the candidates are saying might be what the American public remembers from the debate - not the chaotic manner in which it was delivered.

Once again, Biden largely held up under fire - avoiding the kind of gaffes and stumbles that could have played into Republican attempts to question his age and mental acuity.

[Albany Rifles]

Trump did far better during the 2nd debate, last time around, almost certainly because of some similar ground rules. He could do even better this time, at least on the surface.

He'll still ramble on, mostly fact-free and detached from reality like he usually is, but he'll at least make a good try at sounding like a reasonable person and not the raving lunatic from the first debate.


It's not the base(s) that matter though.

Not sure about how well he will do based on the mics being turned off when it is not his turn. And not sure how doing interviews in lieu of debate prep will work for the former President.

And hello Julie!

[TopHatter]

r I'm looking forward to this debate because it is set up differently. No audience so no interruptions of clapping and gasping. They will also cut the mic when their time is up, which will stop the rambling you mentioned.

Agreed 100%. This will (hopefully) be what a debate should be.

[Julie]

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Trump did far better during the 2nd debate, last time around, almost certainly because of some similar ground rules. He could do even better this time, at least on the surface.

He'll still ramble on, mostly fact-free and detached from reality like he usually is, but he'll at least make a good try at sounding like a reasonable person and not the raving lunatic from the first debate.


It's not the base(s) that matter though.

I'm looking forward to this debate because it is set up differently. No audience so no interruptions of clapping and gasping. They will also cut the mic when their time is up, which will stop the rambling you mentioned.

[Julie]

Good to see you! Long time. I'm still prettier than you.

Great to see you too !! I know you still looking fine as wine in that leather.

[TopHatter]

As a betting man, Biden will beat Trump

Trump did far better during the 2nd debate, last time around, almost certainly because of some similar ground rules. He could do even better this time, at least on the surface.

He'll still ramble on, mostly fact-free and detached from reality like he usually is, but he'll at least make a good try at sounding like a reasonable person and not the raving lunatic from the first debate.

Each base will say their man won.

It's not the base(s) that matter though.

[Officer of Engineers]

Good to see you! Long time. I'm still prettier than you.

As a betting man, Biden will beat Trump but that won't matter to either base. Each base will say their man won.

[Julie]

Hi Julie! Great to see you again

Ahhhh...that's a great question. All depends on who can control their temper and stick to coherent messaging. I think the ground rules probably help Trump more than Biden, at least on the surface.

But I'll be frank and say, if I was a betting man, I'd be keeping my money in my pocket!

Great to see you too !!

Great Answer !! I totally agree !

[TopHatter]

Sooo... how do you guys think the upcoming debate on CNN will play out ?

Hi Julie! Great to see you again

Ahhhh...that's a great question. All depends on who can control their temper and stick to coherent messaging. I think the ground rules probably help Trump more than Biden, at least on the surface.

But I'll be frank and say, if I was a betting man, I'd be keeping my money in my pocket!

[Julie]

Sooo... how do you guys think the upcoming debate on CNN will play out ?

[JRT]

Larry Summers does not like the economic plans floated by Don Johnny Trump.

Friday, 14 June 2024
Summers: Most Inflationary Policy Proposal of My Lifetime
(09 min, 55 sec)

Lawrence H. Summers, Former US Treasury Secretary and Wall Street Week warns of supply shocks coming out of Donald Trump's economic proposals, which could lead to a surge in inflation.

And...

Friday, 14 June 2024
Donald Trump pitches 80 CEOs on tax cuts and regulation rollbacks.
CEOs at Trump meeting: Ex-president 'meandering' and 'doesn't know what he's talking about'
(0 min, 48 sec)

Former President Donald Trump failed to impress everyone in a room full of top CEOs Thursday at the Business Roundtable’s quarterly meeting, multiple attendees told CNBC.

[TopHatter]

‘It’s A Cult’: The Race To Be Trump’s Running Mate Hits New Lows

WASHINGTON — Donald Trump’s last vice president was called upon to defend the Constitution and American democracy by refusing to overturn the results of an election. Then his boss turned against him, whipping up an angry mob of supporters so intensely that they constructed a gallows and chanted for him to be hanged.

But Florida Sen. Marco Rubio still wants the job. So do Sens. J.D. Vance of Ohio and Tim Scott of South Carolina. South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (yes, even after the story about shooting a dog) and North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum are also still in the mix to become Trump’s running mate.

Why? Because if you’re an ambitious Republican with an eye on higher office, becoming Donald Trump’s vice presidential running mate could be the quickest path to the Oval Office. Whoever Trump picks to join his ticket will become the immediate favorite to become the next GOP presidential standard-bearer, whether the 77-year-old ex-president wins in November or not.

That’s why so many Republicans are not-so-secretly vying for the position with appearances at Trump’s campaign events and on cable news programs in recent weeks, seemingly hoping to out-do each other on who can be the most obsequious MAGA messenger.

But winning Trump’s affection often requires unquestionable loyalty, and that means defending even his most shocking actions — including his unprecedented effort to overturn an election he lost, his vow to pardon rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, his 88 felony charges and his personal conduct, such as his alleged extramarital affair with an adult film star.

Besides — it’s not like they’ll end up in the same position as former Vice President Mike Pence, right? After all, Republicans who want the job say the Constitution limits presidents to serving two terms.

An attempt by the incumbent to stay in power past 2028 is “not going to be an issue for the next vice president, right?” Rubio told HuffPost. “No matter who’s elected president now, they can’t run again.”

Vance, meanwhile, said that what happened between Trump and Pence was a result of “the political consequences of what happened at the time.”

“I think Mike Pence [and] Donald Trump had a very strong disagreement,” he added. “And Mike Pence, you know, he’s fundamentally just was never really on board with the underlying agenda.”

Vance has also said he doubts that Pence’s life “was ever in danger” on Jan. 6.

Rubio and Vance’s decision to downplay the threats to Pence, who said in March he could not support his former boss for president in 2024, are just the latest example of the efforts running mate contenders will go to prove their loyalty.

Scott, for example, last week refused to commit to accepting the outcome of the 2024 election, echoing Trump’s own refusal during an earlier interview with a Wisconsin news outlet. Pressed several times for a direct yes or no, Scott dodged, maintaining there won’t be any issues, since Trump will be the inevitable victor.

“At the end of the day, I said what I said,” said Scott, who made a failed run against Trump in the 2024 primaries, on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I know that the American people, their voices will be heard, and I believe that President Trump will be our next president. It’s that simple.”


Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) this week refused to commit to accepting the outcome of the 2024 election.

Prior to dropping out of the presidential race, the South Carolina Republican had previously defended Pence for certifying the 2020 election. When asked at a GOP primary debate last year whether Pence did the right thing on Jan. 6, Scott said he “absolutely” did.

Vance also defended Trump’s claim to “absolute immunity” from prosecution during a combative interview on CNN — an argument that would essentially put the ex-president above the law.

Rubio, who Trump once derided as “Little Marco,” faces a key hurdle to getting the job: The Constitution states that electors in the Electoral College may not cast votes for both a president and vice president from their own state. Since Trump is also a resident of Florida, and since Republicans don’t want to cede a crucial swing state to Joe Biden in the 2024 election, either Rubio or Trump would have to change their residency before the election. And it almost certainly won’t be Trump.

Noem, meanwhile, continued to make the rounds promoting her book on cable news programs this week, drawing fire from all sides for dodging questions about both her dog and her telling of a meeting with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un that never happened.

Trump allies scratched their heads at Noem’s decision to write a tell-all memoir that volunteered so much damaging information — but they maintained getting on TV to fight with the press and defend Trump was a good way to stand out.

“I think it’s important he sees you in action and how well you do in front of the public,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) told HuffPost, when asked what criteria would help prospective VP candidates.

“He’s finding out that having multiple people vying for the job means that he’s got a lot of proxies out there promoting his message,” Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) added of Trump.

Democrats lamented the GOP’s subservience to the ex-president, calling the jockeying to be his vice presidential pick another embarrassing display of sycophancy.

“It’s a cult,” Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said. “Logic doesn’t prevail in a cult. You just want to get as close to the leaders as you can. That’s what every day is about. How many invites do I get to Mar-a-Lago? How many phone calls do I get from him? Does he look at me kindly? That’s all that matters.”

Whoever Trump picks for vice president this time around will likely be more aligned with than Pence on talking points about the 2020 presidential election and his false claims of fraud. Trump has made glorifying the Jan. 6 attack on Congress a cornerstone of his campaign, embracing rioters as heroes and saluting them at his campaign events. Another contested election could play out similarly, given Trump could face prison time if he is not elected president.

“Most of the people who he would seriously consider to be VP will do whatever he asks, so they won’t have that conflict this time,” Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) said when asked why anyone would want to be Trump’s running mate, given what happened with Pence.

“Would they volunteer to put their heads into a loop?” a reporter asked.

“Absolutely,” he responded.

Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) warned against joining the ticket, pointing to former Trump backers, including some former top Trump administration officials, who have since offered strong criticism of the former president.

“History has a very profound lesson about the people who become associated with Donald Trump, which is it ends badly,” Blumenthal said. “There is virtually no one that has escaped the Trump gravity for malign impact on their lives. Even when they sought to disassociate themselves from [him], they’ve still been tarred in some way. There’s some good people who found out the hard way that Donald Trump is toxic.”
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[tbm3fan]

Well that’s not insurrection but I’m envisioning the Trump acolytes already know how they’ll invoke it. They’ll instigate mass protests for something right out of the gate and then be quick to invoke it. And once’s it’s invoked, is there a limitation to what they can use it for?

Yeah, it would be used against the protestors out on the street and that wouldn't be the illegals keeping a very low, and quiet profile inside a home...