2024 U.S. Election of President and Vice President

[Amled]

Two things about Trump

1. All the pundits and experts say this is only partial immunity. All well and good when dealing with a normal person but not Trump. In his head he will interpret this as absolute immunity.

2. You can set up all the red lines you want but he will still blow past them. That is what he has always done and because every time he has there has never been an consequences. I'm sure his father taught him that only the end result matters and not how you got there. Therefore, since he has never been slapped down, he probably does believe he can get away with murder or anything else.

Nothing new there, he’s even admitted it loud and clear to an open mike!
Go back to; I think it was the Bush interview, where he bragged that he could walk down 5^th. Ave in New York, and shoot someone without any repercussions to him!
Well now he has a USSC decisions that backs his braggadocio up!
His ego was almost incomprehensible before, one can only imagine it now.

[TopHatter]

Conservative Heritage leader: ‘Second American Revolution’ will be bloodless ‘if the left allows it to be’

The leader of conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation argued the Supreme Court’s ruling on presidential immunity will reinforce a “second American Revolution,” which he said would “remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”

Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts told Steve Bannon’s “War Room” podcast how the Supreme Court ruling on immunity — which largely shields former presidents from criminal prosecutions for actions in office — should encourage conservatives.

“In spite of all this nonsense from the left, we are going to win. We’re in the process of taking this country back. No one in the audience should be despairing,” Roberts said, adding, “And in spite of all of the injustice, which, of course, friends and audience of this show, of our friend Steve know, we are going to prevail.”

“We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be,” he added later.

Calling the Supreme Court ruling “vital,” Roberts pointed to Alexander Hamilton’s 1877 essay Federalist No. 70, in which he argued for a strong executive leader.

“You know, former congressman, the importance of Congress doing its job, but we also know the importance of the executive being able to do his job,” Roberts told former Rep. Dave Brat (R-Va.), who hosted the podcast episode, with Bannon having reported to prison this week. “And can you imagine, Dave Brat, any president — put politics off to the side — any president having to second-guess, triple-guess every decision they’re making in their official capacity, you couldn’t have the republic that you just described.”

Robert’s Heritage Foundation is the moving force behind Project 2025, a conservative blueprint for a possible Trump reelection in November. The nearly 1,000-page handbook is aimed at advancing right-wing policies and expanding the powers of the presidency.

Authors describe Project 2025 as a guide of what the next president needs to do to undo the “damage” to America they argue is caused by liberal politicians. Critics of Project 2025 call it authoritarian and “un-American.”

The Supreme Court handed down the 6-3 decision Monday, ruling along ideological lines that presidents have absolute immunity for actions that fall within the core responsibilities of the office and are “at least presumptively immune” for all other official acts.

The decision was applauded by Republicans as a win for Trump, who is staring down a federal criminal election subversion case brought by special counsel Jack Smith. The decision is likely to delay the trial, first sending the case back to a lower court to decide if Trump’s actions surrounding Jan. 6, 2021, are protected from criminal prosecution for decisions made while in the White House.

Several Democrats, meanwhile, lambasted the decision, arguing it will embolden future presidents to break the law with impunity. The Democrats have long argued that, under the Constitution, no one — not even the president — is above the law.

By ruling that Trump is protected from prosecution for certain actions, the Supreme Court violated the intentions of the nation’s founders, the Democratic critics said this week.
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"Shhhh shhhhh....Just let it happen, it's ok, don't worry! Give up, you don't stand a chance! Let's end this here! It will be easier for you, much easier. You'll see it will be over quickly."

[tbm3fan]

https://cornerstonelaw.us/22nd-amend...ay-think-says/


With this legalese mumbo jumbo, and the Supreme Court in his back pocket, there's a good chance go for title of President-for-Life!!!

Two things about Trump

1. All the pundits and experts say this is only partial immunity. All well and good when dealing with a normal person but not Trump. In his head he will interpret this as absolute immunity.

2. You can set up all the red lines you want but he will still blow past them. That is what he has always done and because every time he has there has never been an consequences. I'm sure his father taught him that only the end result matters and not how you got there. Therefore, since he has never been slapped down, he probably does believe he can get away with murder or anything else.

[statquo]

If there is any template for a comeback after a debacle like the first debate, it is Trump's own comeback in 2016 after p$s%ygate. He was in a similar situation with many Republicans and his own supporters asking him to drop out. But he came out swinging in the next debate, switching the debate to Bill Clinton's actions, and reminding on the fence voters of why they hated Hillary even more than they hated him.

Joe Biden needs to convince the same swing voters, many of whom are rightfully concerned about the risks of entrusting the most powerful office to an aging man with an apparently diminished memory, that elevating Trump is even more dangerous.

Even now, Biden can probably count on a floor of about 40 percent of the vote who will vote for him out of fear of Trump. But he needs to convince another 5-7 % of voters who are not that afraid of Trump so much that they will vote for an aging President who they consider unfit for the duties of office automatically.

They need to go out and hammer the example of 2016 when people protest voted or simply didn’t vote for Hilary Clinton. How did that work out? You handed three Supreme Court justices to MAGA and look at what has come out of that. If you don’t show up for the corpse of Joe Biden in November it’s going to be worse, and the cost will be felt for the rest of your lives. And they need to go out and be animated and passionate about this. Not TV interview/scripted. Go out and scare the absolute shit out of voters and tell what them and their kids will lose and not get back if they choke in 2024. November 5 is their D-Day.

[Amled]

https://cornerstonelaw.us/22nd-amend...ay-think-says/

THE 22ND AMENDMENT DOESN’T SAY WHAT YOU THINK IT SAYS

With this legalese mumbo jumbo, and the Supreme Court in his back pocket, there's a good chance go for title of President-for-Life!!!

[InExile]

changing candidates is not do-able UNLESS Biden himself is completely on-board and leading the effort.

if Biden doesn't change his mind, and very soon, then the only workable alternative for the Dems is to grit their teeth and go all-in on their candidate. a bad decision is better than no decision.

If there is any template for a comeback after a debacle like the first debate, it is Trump's own comeback in 2016 after p$s%ygate. He was in a similar situation with many Republicans and his own supporters asking him to drop out. But he came out swinging in the next debate, switching the debate to Bill Clinton's actions, and reminding on the fence voters of why they hated Hillary even more than they hated him.

Joe Biden needs to convince the same swing voters, many of whom are rightfully concerned about the risks of entrusting the most powerful office to an aging man with an apparently diminished memory, that elevating Trump is even more dangerous.

Even now, Biden can probably count on a floor of about 40 percent of the vote who will vote for him out of fear of Trump. But he needs to convince another 5-7 % of voters who are not that afraid of Trump so much that they will vote for an aging President who they consider unfit for the duties of office automatically.

[Chunder]

At this stage what is even the point? This whole saga is like someone staring at a house and finally realising the whole thing has termites.

It's been a looooong 8 years - Fuck I hope Ukraine can survive the next 4 years. At least we can all be sure after 12 years the system and the sycophants that back it will remain in place ready to deliver forth another turd.

Man. What a low point in American history. Two geriatrics, probably both in adult diapers producing a performance most mental health nurses would be familiar with, vying for the big job. What a time to be alive. If it were my country (compulsory voting) I'd stay home and cop the fine.

Goodluck dear people.

[rj1]

Long past.

Anyone who is not named Kamala Harris starts with $0 in the bank and zero campaign infrastructure. The money and infrastructure belongs to the Biden Campaign & not the DNC.

To go West Wing for a bit, delegates at the Convention vote, Biden is their nominee. Vice President becomes an open floor vote and Harris is potentially replaced (delegates are only bound to vote for Biden because primary voters do not vote for Vice President). Biden post-Convention withdraws. That person then becomes the presidential nominee (would be a Democratic National Committee vote a la the replacement of Eagleton in 1972) and would get access to all the money.

I don't see Democratic power players wanting anything to deal with an open floor vote.

[rj1]

changing candidates is not do-able UNLESS Biden himself is completely on-board and leading the effort.

if Biden doesn't change his mind, and very soon, then the only workable alternative for the Dems is to grit their teeth and go all-in on their candidate. a bad decision is better than no decision.

There's word of some House Democrats saying do the 1996 Republican strategy of accept you're losing the presidency, focus all your resources on Congress as a check.

Good CNN article summarizing on the questions about and then the how of a replacement. Couple dozen Democrats sourced per the writer and it's pretty much "we have no good options". Democrats fear replacement scenarios as much as keeping Biden | CNN Politics

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, widely considered a potential presidential nominee, was alleged by a supporter of a rival 2028 Democratic Party presidential candidate to have told the Biden campaign on a phone call post-debate he'll now lose Michigan, per Politico. So Kamala Harris has already started her games to destroy her rivals.

[astralis]

changing candidates is not do-able UNLESS Biden himself is completely on-board and leading the effort.

if Biden doesn't change his mind, and very soon, then the only workable alternative for the Dems is to grit their teeth and go all-in on their candidate. a bad decision is better than no decision.

[Albany Rifles]

It's already too late for someone else to step in.

Long past.

Anyone who is not named Kamala Harris starts with $0 in the bank and zero campaign infrastructure. The money and infrastructure belongs to the Biden Campaign & not the DNC.

[tbm3fan]

It's already too late for someone else to step in.

History is pretty clear in that replacing mid-stream is a bad idea unless it was FDR filling in for Biden. Short of that we have what we have. As it stands now, and it has always stood this way for this election, it is how independents vote. Dems and MAGA are set in their ways so the swing vote is everything. Do we let them see panic or do we ride this out given four months to go?

[TopHatter]

...and then it will be too late for someone else to step in, with Trump winning by default!

It's already too late for someone else to step in.

[Amled]

It's really all academic at the moment. The only way Biden leaves the race right now is with a note from his mortician.

He's going to need more than one disastrous debate to exit.

...and then it will be too late for someone else to step in, with Trump winning by default!

[TopHatter]

Bullocks!!!
Sorry Joe, but if she won’t step up, then the Democratic Party will have to find someone equally well know, and of similar statute to contest with Trump in November.
If they don’t; then as Jefferson and de Maistre said, you (the American people) will end up with the government you deserve!
A Trump back in the Oval Office is something no one should deserve.

It's really all academic at the moment. The only way Biden leaves the race right now is with a note from his mortician.

He's going to need more than one disastrous debate to exit.