2024 U.S. Election of President and Vice President

[Officer of Engineers]

Supposedly Trump's next victim/vice president is down to either Burgum or Vance.

Burgum's got the money, though it'll probably boil down to whoever stays down on their knees in front of Trump the longest.

Well, there goes "who has the biggest boobs" theory.

[DOR]

You don't. But I'm willing to bet money this Joe Biden will lose in November. And from the political board I'm on so do a lot of Democrats there.

That's an entirely different proposition (possibly true), but it isn't what you said.

[TopHatter]

Supposedly Trump's next victim/vice president is down to either Burgum or Vance.

Burgum's got the money, though it'll probably boil down to whoever stays down on their knees in front of Trump the longest.

[rj1]

Whatever you think of the Democratic Party's policy platform (yes, we have one, unlike "some" parties), candidates, or efficiency, there is no evidence whatsoever that we want to lose.

You don't. But I'm willing to bet money this Joe Biden will lose in November. And from the political board I'm on so do a lot of Democrats there.

[rj1]

That's a point I've commented on before. It perplexed me (as an outsider) when following Trumps win and onward throughout the four years of his term that the Democrats seemed to be in sort of torpor. There didn't seem to be any potential new talent with any kind of gravitas jockeying for a chance to take him on or any serious attempts being made to find some. Same thing in the run up to the selection of Biden for 2020. And now here we are four years later and still nothing much to speak of talent wise. To me Dems are starting to look like some kind of invitation only private club with a closed membership book.

This is just wrong. If anything the past 6 years and Democrat successes downballot have finally given them a bench. You've got a collection of Governors people are high on. Contrast to Obama's time in office the party simply cratered losing elected officials up and down the ballot because Obama's Democratic Party didn't care about anyone that was not Obama (and Trump was the same with the Republicans).

[DOR]

Apparently the Dems. As I've often said, they could fuck up a wet dream.

Whatever you think of the Democratic Party's policy platform (yes, we have one, unlike "some" parties), candidates, or efficiency, there is no evidence whatsoever that we want to lose.

[Monash]

I don't understand.
Who wants to lose in this race?

I was pointing to basic group psychology i.e. if you start to believe your 'side' is going to lose no matter what you personally do you're less motivated to try (or in this case vote or donate etc). All Biden has to do is convince a small % of voters who might otherwise have been inclined to vote for him that he cant win no matter and it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. And the same despondency can hit other members of the party as well reinforcing the likelihood of a loss. Bit like sports psychology, if your team think can't win the game it doesn't.

[Amled]

Imagine a train going full speed along the tracks, heading for a bridge, where it’s known that the underpinnings for the tracks have fallen away.
Now the most logical thing to do would be to stop, and change direction.
But the conductor repeatedly calmed everybody down by repeating, “I know it can! I know it can...”

[TopHatter]

I don't understand.
Who wants to lose in this race?

Apparently the Dems. As I've often said, they could fuck up a wet dream.

[DOR]

There's a vast difference between between being 'willing' to lose and wanting to lose. Especially since in real life too much for the former tends to lead to much more of the latter. If your not in it for the win in politics? Don't play.

I don't understand.
Who wants to lose in this race?

[Monash]

I think the term you're looking for is "candidate."
That's the whole difference: one side doesn't believe in elections unless they win (much like in the old USSR), and the other is willing to lose.

There's a vast difference between between being 'willing' to lose and wanting to lose. Especially since in real life too much for the former tends to lead to much more of the latter. If your not in it for the win in politics? Don't play.

[DOR]

The difference is the Republicans currently see their guy as a 'winner' (even if history goes on to prove them wrong). The Democrats on the other hand see Biden as a ....

I think the term you're looking for is "candidate."
That's the whole difference: one side doesn't believe in elections unless they win (much like in the old USSR), and the other is willing to lose.

[Monash]

True. However the Democrats should have been working on their bullpen eight years ago. Now they need to shut up and get in line to point out everything about the anti-democratic (I call Nationalist Socialist Americans Workers Party) Trump. He says MAGA I say NAZA.

That's a point I've commented on before. It perplexed me (as an outsider) when following Trumps win and onward throughout the four years of his term that the Democrats seemed to be in sort of torpor. There didn't seem to be any potential new talent with any kind of gravitas jockeying for a chance to take him on or any serious attempts being made to find some. Same thing in the run up to the selection of Biden for 2020. And now here we are four years later and still nothing much to speak of talent wise. To me Dems are starting to look like some kind of invitation only private club with a closed membership book.

[tbm3fan]

The difference is the Republicans currently see there guy as a 'winner' (even if history goes on to prove them wrong. The Democrats on the other hand see Biden as a ....

True. However the Democrats should have been working on their bullpen eight years ago. Now they need to shut up and get in line to point out everything about the anti-democratic (I call Nationalist Socialist Americans Workers Party) Trump. He says MAGA I say NAZA.

[Monash]

Yeah, so true. In the meantime I wish that the Democrats could act like Republicans is one aspect and one only. Republicans are all aligned behind their one guy. Meanwhile the Democrats are shitting in their pants, all over media, about Biden now. Does this help their case? No. Instead of acting like cockroaches scattering every which way when the lights go on they need to act with one voice. The Republicans act with one voice and meanwhile the Democrats can't shut up their damn mouths for once and speak in a unified tone.

The difference is the Republicans currently see their guy as a 'winner' (even if history goes on to prove them wrong). The Democrats on the other hand see Biden as a ....