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  • TopHatter
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    J.D. Vance Wants to Take America to a ‘Dark Place’
    Overweening ambition turned him from an outspoken Trump critic to his deputy charlatan.



    J.D. VANCE, ONE OF MY FELLOW O.G. Never Trumpers, was officially named former President Donald Trump’s second vice presidential nominee. The news arrived via a social media post that focused heavily on Vance’s Yale pedigree and his appeal in the industrial Midwest.

    The initial response from myself and many other still-riding Never Trumpers was some deserved mockery. Vance, after all, had fretted that Trump would be “America’s Hitler” and joshed with Chris Matthews on “Hardball” about how the guy who’s now his boss is a lying rapist.

    This surface-level trolling is cathartic and deserved and premised in the knowledge that there is no reason to actually engage the merits of Vance’s Saul to Mar-a-Lago parable. The notion that this person had a genuine change of heart, that there is more to the story than a smart and ambitious striver saying whatever needs saying to advance, is absurd on its face. Vance’s entire career, his entire self-narrative, has been one of a talented, aspiring man determined to rise above his humble upbringings and touch every rung on the ladder of success all the way up to the presidency. No beard can hide that.

    And to his credit, he may land one short step away from that pinnacle in astonishingly quick fashion.


    But even if we all see who Vance is, there is one warning from his pre-MAGA days that is worth sitting with.

    Vance’s appointment comes in the wake of shocking violence perpetrated upon people who come from the same cultural milieu as those he wrote about in his book. Analyzing the troubles of the white working class voters in communities like Butler, Pennsylvania has been his life’s work. And per Trump’s own post, it is these voters whose mantle Vance will now claim in service to their campaign.

    In an August 2016 interview with NPR’s Terry Gross, the radio home for the forgotten man, Vance made a comment about Trump’s impact on this group, almost as an aside. The implications of it echo today.
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    But I think that I'm going to vote third party because I can’t stomach Trump. I think that he’s noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place.

    A very dark place.

    In Vance’s own telling, he believes that Trump was taking his people, the ones with whom he grew up, somewhere dark.

    Gross doesn’t follow-up on that point, instead drilling in on Trump’s then-opponent, Hillary Clinton. So the ominous sentiment just washes over the public radio airwaves. The listeners, the host, and the guest were all able to float past it since, in their mind, there wasn’t much worry that such a thing would ever come to pass. No one, at that juncture, imagined Trump would win.

    But an article Vance wrote the previous month prior for the Atlantic, Appalachia’s most popular periodical, provides a bit more insight into what he meant. Titled “Opioid of the Masses,” the article argues that Trump “feels good” but the “comedown will be harsh.”

    After sharing some heartrending stories of Trump supporters living in rural America who have been left behind by their communities and leaders, Vance sums up his core argument.
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    The great tragedy is that many of the problems Trump identifies are real, and so many of the hurts he exploits demand serious thought and measured action—from governments, yes, but also from community leaders and individuals. Yet so long as people rely on that quick high, so long as wolves point their fingers at everyone but themselves, the nation delays a necessary reckoning. There is no self-reflection in the midst of a false euphoria. Trump is cultural heroin. He makes some feel better for a bit. But he cannot fix what ails them, and one day they’ll realize it.

    I’m not sure when or how that realization arrives: maybe in a few months, when Trump loses the election; maybe in a few years, when his supporters realize that even with a President Trump, their homes and families are still domestic war zones, their newspapers’ obituaries continue to fill with the names of people who died too soon, and their faith in the American Dream continues to falter. But it will come, and when it does, I hope Americans cast their gaze to those with the most power to address so many of these problems: each other. And then, perhaps the nation will trade the quick high of “Make America Great Again” for real medicine.


    In short, Vance argues that it’s the finger-pointing, the blame-shifting that is at the core of the Trumpian menace. That the opioid Trump offers MAGA Americans is exculpation from personal responsibility and the license to blame others for their ills: immigrants, the Deep State, Joe Biden. His view was that this type of politics will not only fix nothing, but lead to a hard and painful crash.

    On this front, he was right. In the intervening years, while much has changed in Vance’s tone and in the country, the danger that he foresaw continues unabated.

    The reality of Trump and the reality of rural communities that have been left behind by globalization haven’t changed much (unless they landed one of those new factories from the bipartisan CHIPs act that President Biden signed). There are still too many angry young men in these communities who have been let down by their leaders and are lashing out, sometimes by succumbing to drugs, sometimes violently. There are still too many obituaries of neighbors who died too soon.

    But when Vance joins the Trump ticket this week, his message to these voters won’t be one that addresses the root problems of the communities he claims to champion. Instead he will offer them the same opiates that have alleviated the pain but done nothing to address the underlying suffering.

    Vance will tell them that their hero was targeted in a plot by a president that looks down at them, knowing full well that is untrue. He will suggest that the dead and wounded in Pennsylvania were victims not of gun violence or the despair of a bullied young man, but of a plot orchestrated by shadowy forces that they should hate. He will tell them that they are suffering because an election was stolen from them. He will blame immigrants for social ills. And he will argue that they can only get vengeance for that suffering by turning their fate over to two men who are happy to feed them opiates to get the recognition and power that they have always craved.

    That’s a very dark place indeed.
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    Trump now has his slavishly-obedient accomplice. Like Pence, Burgum and Rubio wouldn't have been willing to literally walk themselves - and the country - off a cliff at Trump's command, and he damn well knew it.

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  • TopHatter
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    Trump names Ohio Sen. JD Vance to be his running mate

    Donald Trump selected JD Vance, the Republican senator from Ohio, as his vice presidential pick in the 2024 race.

    "After lengthy deliberation and thought, and considering the tremendous talents of many others, I have decided that the person best suited to assume the position of Vice President of the United States is Senator J.D. Vance of the Great State of Ohio.," Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social.
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    Well that answers that question...

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  • Albany Rifles
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    Originally posted by DOR View Post

    Frankly, you have to go back to WWII to find a time -- a unique time -- when veterans got the benefits they earned. Post Civil War and WWI, vets had to fight for pensions and other minimal benefits. From Vietnam on, administrations find it very handy to quote a cost of going to war that omits any mention of veterans (tip 'o the brain bucket to Colin Powell for pointing out that one). Plenty of blame for both parties, so nothing partisan here.
    Yup...but no administration has attempted to strip mine the VA like Project 2025...at least in my life time.

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by statquo View Post
    Someone shoot Trump?
    Maybe. Starting a new thread here https://www.worldaffairsboard.com/fo...f-donald-trump

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  • DOR
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    Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
    • "Dept of Veterans Affairs: Wholly politicize the VA leadership; eliminate any abortion services for soldiers or their families. Privatize disability medical examinations."

    Yo be blunt...this is a stab in the back. Veterans benefits have been eroding but the Biden Administration has restored some elements for the better. It is getting to the point where the only Veterans left are the Vietnam generation and the All Volunteer Force...both groups which have a high need of care...especially in counseling.
    Frankly, you have to go back to WWII to find a time -- a unique time -- when veterans got the benefits they earned. Post Civil War and WWI, vets had to fight for pensions and other minimal benefits. From Vietnam on, administrations find it very handy to quote a cost of going to war that omits any mention of veterans (tip 'o the brain bucket to Colin Powell for pointing out that one). Plenty of blame for both parties, so nothing partisan here.

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  • statquo
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    Someone shoot Trump?

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  • Albany Rifles
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    • "Dept of Veterans Affairs: Wholly politicize the VA leadership; eliminate any abortion services for soldiers or their families. Privatize disability medical examinations."

    Yo be blunt...this is a stab in the back. Veterans benefits have been eroding but the Biden Administration has restored some elements for the better. It is getting to the point where the only Veterans left are the Vietnam generation and the All Volunteer Force...both groups which have a high need of care...especially in counseling.

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  • DOR
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    Project 2025
    https://www.project2025.org/

    Here’s some highlights of the radical extreme GOPer agenda.
    • Dept of Agriculture: End food stamps. Focus on farmers, not food sector workers or the environment.
    • Dept of Education: “Protect civil rights” by “rejecting gender ideology and critical race theory.”
    • Dept of Energy: Repeal investment in renewable energy; develop new nuclear weapons.
    • E.P.A.: Eliminate the offices of (a) Environmental Justice, (b) Enforcement and Compliance, (c) Public Engagement and Environmental Education, (d) Children’s Health Protection, and (e) Small and Disadvantaged Business Utilization.
    • Dept of Health and Human Services: Break up the Center for Disease Control; end data collection on gender identity; make the “morning after pill” illegal.
    • Dept of Housing and Urban Development: All power should be in politically appointed hands, not civil servants; immediately repeal climate change initiatives.
    • Dept of the Interior: Undo whatever Biden did and go back to Trumpism. Really, that’s what it says. Oh, and drill baby, drill!
    • Dept of Justice: Downgrade the FBI (bye-bye, Eliot Ness!) and tie it up in bureaucratic knots by investigation everything it does. Forbid it from combating misinformation and disinformation. Enforce the death penalty.
    • Dept of Labor: End anything related to diversity, equity and / or inclusion; stop collecting data on race in employment; eliminate the six decades old Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs; end protection from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and transgender status; enhance protection of discrimination on the basis of religion.
    • Dept of Transportation: Lower fuel efficiency requirements; stop allowing California to set stricter standards than the national ones.
    • Dept of Veterans Affairs: Wholly politicize the VA leadership; eliminate any abortion services for soldiers or their families. Privatize disability medical examinations.
    • Dept of Commerce: Dismantle the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration; privatize access to publicly funded weather data weather data (big shout-out in the documents to AccuWeather).
    • Dept of the Treasury: Initiate a witch hunt for any Treasury official who actually complied with instructions to enact diversity, equity, and inclusion policies. Enact a two-tiered tax code (15% and 30%) without most deductions, credits, and exclusions. Cut corporate tax rates to 18%. Cut capital gains and dividend taxes to 15%. Eliminate minimum corporate taxes, stock buyback taxes, coal taxes, Superfund taxes, and focus more on consumption taxes. Withdraw from the OECD. End Dodd-Frank, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac.
    • Federal Reserve: Eliminate the dual mandate (currency / price and employment policies) in favor of inflation control. Stop being the lender of last resort, a policy enacted under the FDR administration to curtail bank failures. Prohibit the Fed from acting to rescue the economy when Congress refuses to do so, a la 2008/09. The preferred model is “Free Banking,” last practiced in 1824-50s, according to Project 2025. Or, just go back to the disastrous gold (or silver) standard. Remember, folks: during the Great Depression, “inflation was limited” !

    The rant on trade, by co-convict Peter Navarro (due to be released from jail July 17, 2024), demands a sharp increase in the price consumers and businesses pay for anything bought from abroad. He also wants to take over decision-making on which financial instruments investors may select and decide where US companies may invest. Sanctions on Apple are specifically mentioned. In fact, just reverse centuries of economic thought and ban free trade all together.

    But, that’s way too extreme, so Project 2025 contradicts its own advice with Kent Lassman’s advocacy of free trade. How’s that for policy certainty?

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  • Monash
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    Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

    That horse left the barn in 2016. Hilz left public life and is well & truly done. Not to mention she is 76. If the DNC pushes President Biden aside it will not be for someone who is also a Boomer.

    I expect more likely from the Whitmer/Newsome/Pritzker/Harris wing.
    See my most above.

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  • Bigfella
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    Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

    That horse left the barn in 2016. Hilz left public life and is well & truly done. Not to mention she is 76. If the DNC pushes President Biden aside it will not be for someone who is also a Boomer.

    I expect more likely from the Whitmer/Newsome/Pritzker/Harris wing.
    Yep. Hilary is yesterday's news & she knows it. She had her shot & failed. The only peopple talking about her now tend to be GOP supporters.
    If there is to be a replacement it will be someone younger.

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  • Albany Rifles
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    Originally posted by JRT View Post
    How soon do you think it will be until we see Hillary's minions making a renewed push for her nomination to the POTUS spot on the Democrat ticket, 2024?

    Has anybody seen any trial balloons being floated?

    i'm guessing that it will be soon (maybe already happening).
    That horse left the barn in 2016. Hilz left public life and is well & truly done. Not to mention she is 76. If the DNC pushes President Biden aside it will not be for someone who is also a Boomer.

    I expect more likely from the Whitmer/Newsome/Pritzker/Harris wing.

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  • rj1
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    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
    Supposedly Trump's next victim/vice president is down to either Burgum or Vance.

    Burgum's got the money, though it'll probably boil down to whoever stays down on their knees in front of Trump the longest.
    Not voting for Trump, but I'd love Burgum as Vice President. Guy is a committed federalist. I wouldn't mind Rubio either.

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  • rj1
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    Kind of look at everything, I admittedly don't think much of Biden as leader, yet I look back to 6 months ago and think "how did Biden and the Democrats ever get here?" Even before the debate, Trump was betting favorite to win. Now we're having Democrats in New York coming out saying they need money invested there. It seems to me the narrative shifted March or April.

    After coming on board full hog with Biden Monday, everything roared back today and it seems everyone is waiting for NATO to leave town first. Politico reported what they think is the Biden campaign are calling delegates up to get their thoughts, which struck all these people as sad. Reportedly on Chuck Todd's podcast today with Jonathan Martin of Politico, they say almost every Democrat that's been mentioned to run has made the decision not to if the opportunity comes up due to they think the circumstances make this race a certain loss, give the nomination to Harris, let her lose, and they'll wait for 2028. The one exception was Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker.

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  • Monash
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    Originally posted by JRT View Post
    How soon do you think it will be until we see Hillary's minions making a renewed push for her nomination to the POTUS spot on the Democrat ticket, 2024?

    Has anybody seen any trial balloons being floated?

    i'm guessing that it will be soon (maybe already happening).
    I don't see it as likely. For starters there's been nary a peep out of her since she lost to Trump on 2016 and she's pretty much withdrawn from the public limelight, especially politics since then. Secondly the neocons and Trump would pile in trumpeting about how desperate the Dems must be to nominate a 'loser' and 'has been' while of course also digging up all the old conspiracies/scandals about the Clintons they used last time and piling it on. Thirdly shes 76 now which means she'd be what? 80/81 when she finished her term. So rightly or wrongly the same fitness issues that have brought both current candidates suitability for office into question would apply to her. Lastly? She's old school Democrats not new talent. So many potential young voters will are left thinking what? that's the best the Dems can do? replace one old time party hack with another?

    None of which is meant as critique of Clinton personally BTW. It's a comment on the politics of the situation.
    Last edited by Monash; 12 Jul 24,, 02:37.

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  • JRT
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    How soon do you think it will be until we see Hillary's minions making a renewed push for her nomination to the POTUS spot on the Democrat ticket, 2024?

    Has anybody seen any trial balloons being floated?

    i'm guessing that it will be soon (maybe already happening).

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