2024 U.S. Election of President and Vice President

[zraver]

KAMALA: Keeping And Making America Lawful Again. Probably wouldn't go over well with the far left, but it would do wonders for the center.

[Albany Rifles]

Trump tends to bull his way over the top of anyone trying to debate him. Literally the best thing she could do is say to shit that down, "Its generally not appropriate for a prosecutor to talk to a defendant, normally I would be debating your defense attorney".

THAT would be a mike drop!!!

[Albany Rifles]

Yeah I was just thinking how relieved they must be, now that they're able to fall back on two of their usual hate categories.

With Biden all they could do was sputter out "Fuck Joe Biden!"

It'll be interesting to see if he agrees to debate her. I'm usually the worst at predicting things but I'd say the odds aren't good. Like you said about your niece, she could run rings around Trump.

Also, the planned "Joe Biden is too old and getting senile." attack lines just evaporated. The press has been, to quote Jerry Jones, "circumcising a mosquito" over ever word President Biden has said since the debate. Meanwhile there has not been the same analysis on former President Trump's malapropisms.

Now Trump is the old guy in the race. Wonder how that will work out.

[zraver]

That just might be the understatement of the year. I know behind the scenes Trump will be rubbing his hands together and also wringing them together. One, he gets to run against a black woman, actually mixed. His white male base will grow some, Two, no way I am going to lose to a black b....h.

Already today one Senator equated blackness with mediocrity. I had a white male (no surprise) tell me in 2008, in my office, that he wasn't going to vote for any n.....r. Rarely happens but he was dismissed from my care immediately. It will be curious to see how well Trump can hold his tongue in regards to a black woman running against him. My niece is half black, super smart, and could run rings around Trump who would then resort to insults.

Trump tends to bull his way over the top of anyone trying to debate him. Literally the best thing she could do is say to shit that down, "Its generally not appropriate for a prosecutor to talk to a defendant, normally I would be debating your defense attorney".

[TopHatter]

Speaker At A Trump-Vance Rally Calls For ‘Civil War’ If Trump Does Not Win In November

Barely a week after coup-attempting former President Donald Trump was nearly assassinated at a rally in Pennsylvania, a speaker at an Ohio rally for his running mate on Monday called for “civil war” if Trump does not win back the White House.

“I’m afraid if we lose this one, it’s going to take a civil war to save the country,” said George Lang, a state senator from the Cincinnati area, shortly before Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance took the stage at his first solo rally in Middletown, his hometown.

Trump campaign officials did not respond to HuffPost queries about Lang’s remarks, but about half an hour later, Lang apologized for them in a social media post.

“I regret the divisive remarks I made in the excitement of the moment on stage. Especially in light of the assassination attempt on President Trump last week, we should all be mindful of what is said at political events, myself included,” he wrote.

The campaign of Vice President Kamala Harris, now the presumptive Democratic nominee amid Joe Biden dropping out of this year’s presidential race, was quick to note that calls for violence are not new at Trump events.

“Donald Trump and JD Vance are running a campaign openly sowing hatred and promising revenge against their political opponents,” Harris campaign spokesperson Ammar Moussa said in a statement. “It’s a feature, not a bug, of their campaign and message to the American people. That’s why a Republican official was empowered to predict a civil war while introducing these candidates.”

Indeed, Trump has aggressively stoked violence since the time he ran for office in 2015. Trump routinely encouraged rallygoers to beat up protesters who came to his events.

As president, he wanted law enforcement officers and the military to shoot protesters and people crossing the border illegally. In his pre-insurrection rally near the White House on Jan. 6, 2021, he wanted the Secret Service to allow people who were carrying guns into the security perimeter, calling the people in town that day “my” people who would not hurt him.

Then, when his mob attacked the Capitol and assaulted hundreds of police officers, Trump watched it all unfold and did not try to stop it until it became clear that police and the National Guard had regained control and his attempt to coerce Congress into giving him a second term failed.

In the early evening of July 13, Trump came within a fraction of an inch of taking a bullet in the head after a 20-year-old shot at him with an AR-15-style rifle from a roof some 160 yards away from where he was speaking during his Pennsylvania rally. The FBI and an independent commission are both investigating how the Secret Service failed to prevent someone armed with a high-powered rifle from taking a position with a clear line of sight to Trump.

Trump’s campaign claimed that the near-death experience had made him almost spiritual and promised a “new tone” from him in his Republican National Convention acceptance speech last week.

While Trump did start with a somber tone as he recounted the shooting, it quickly devolved into his normal, hour-and-a-half rally speeches, filled with lies about his own record, personal attacks on his critics and demands that the criminal prosecutions against him all be dropped.
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"remarks I made in the excitement of the moment on stage" my ASS. Cult45 has been praying for civil war for years.


Pictured below: Feature, not a bug

[TopHatter]

That just might be the understatement of the year. I know behind the scenes Trump will be rubbing his hands together and also wringing them together. One, he gets to run against a black woman, actually mixed. His white male base will grow some, Two, no way I am going to lose to a black b....h.

Already today one Senator equated blackness with mediocrity. I had a white male (no surprise) tell me in 2008, in my office, that he wasn't going to vote for any n.....r. Rarely happens but he was dismissed from my care immediately. It will be curious to see how well Trump can hold his tongue in regards to a black woman running against him. My niece is half black, super smart, and could run rings around Trump who would then resort to insults.

Yeah I was just thinking how relieved they must be, now that they're able to fall back on two of their usual hate categories.

With Biden all they could do was sputter out "Fuck Joe Biden!"

It'll be interesting to see if he agrees to debate her. I'm usually the worst at predicting things but I'd say the odds aren't good. Like you said about your niece, she could run rings around Trump.

[tbm3fan]

Literally none of that matters. This is going to be the most important VP pick in our lifetimes. Everything you said just boils down to "woke black woman". Team Trump is going to be blowing more whistles than a steam locomotive. I really hope she picks Kelley... Centrist, fighter pilot and spaceship captain American hero from a swing state. Also seeing Shapiro. If she picks a progressive or fellow minority, I think she sinks her own ship by playing right to Trump's self-evident strategy.

That just might be the understatement of the year. I know behind the scenes Trump will be rubbing his hands together and also wringing them together. One, he gets to run against a black woman, actually mixed. His white male base will grow some, Two, no way I am going to lose to a black b....h.

Already today one Senator equated blackness with mediocrity. I had a white male (no surprise) tell me in 2008, in my office, that he wasn't going to vote for any n.....r. Rarely happens but he was dismissed from my care immediately. It will be curious to see how well Trump can hold his tongue in regards to a black woman running against him. My niece is half black, super smart, and could run rings around Trump who would then resort to insults.

[zraver]

Her first speech was not encouraging. I understand she wants to highlight the differences between her and Trump and that it plays well to her base. However, it also plays to Trump's strength. He has cast himself as the martyr, a victim of government gone wild while Americans suffer a loss of prestige, inflation and open borders. He uses his "persecution" to cover for an absolute lack of concrete policy. Getting into a popularity contest with him is the losing bet. She needs to flip this into a (non-woke wish bag) policy election and take a centrist track. She can't lose her base or win his so play to the middle.

Years of attacks on Trump and he is more popular now than ever. Its not because he is a great guy, he is not. It's because he is a vessel for discontent. Take it head on, give us a hundred day plan and walk the high road. Adulting, we need adulting not more, "I know you but what am I".

[zraver]

I'm a Republican who's going to have to vote Dem to get my way. I feel so strongly about Ukraine that I'm prepared to ignore the other issues for which I oppose the democrats. I'm boxed in...and it sucks.

Truer words never spoken... I feel exactly the same way and said so publicly on Twitter/X. Lets hope there are enough of us to make a difference and hope that Kamala Harris decides to be a centrist and picks her veep accordingly.

(1) Raver: NAFO's official polemist, Slava Ukraini! on X: "I detest Biden and Leftist politics in general. I so wanted Trump to pick a running mate that would let me vote GOP. Instead he picked Vance. For what is worth this betrayal of Reagan conservatism and embrace of Moscow’s imperial ambition leaves me no choice. I am endorsing and" / X

[Amled]

Help me please people!
Can; or will, someone here in the forum please tell me from where the antipathy to Karmala Harris originate???
Personally I would rather have seen Ms. Obama chosen. But that was solely because the polls had her as the only one that topped over 50%,against Trump, but that was not to be!
So Ms. Harris looks like the likely contender.. She’s attractive, erudite and as a former prosecutor is certain to have the gift of the gab. I for one would stay up to three am, to see her go toe to toe with Trump in a debate!
So what is wrong with her?
One of the commentators here in Denmark pointed out that she always seems to always have stood in the shadow of President Biden!!!
Well duhh! Isn’t that exactly what a Vice-President is supposed to do? They are not supposed to steal the spotlight. They are there as a spare, to be brought forward, just in case. Like the second child in royal houses! Has any Vice-Presidents ever been in the forefront?
Another commentator over here brought up the subject that President Biden had given her the assignment to oversee the border problem and immigration!
Talk about passing someone a poison chalice! Asking her to solve an insoluble problem!!! Then when the problem proved to be insoluble, the shit-storm that would come would land on her, and not on Biden!
Or is the hidden antipathy the fact that she is a black Eurasian woman? Sure hope not, I for one had hoped that the majority of Americans had progressed past that sort of intolerances.

[S2]

I'll breathe easier when I find out that Trump and Zelensky have become bestest buds because, if anybody can flip on a dime, it's Don Trump. Wish Condoleeza Rice had tossed her hat in the ring when there were still enough sober Republicans to matter.

We need smart people instead of this continuing litany of dumb-sh!ts.

[astralis]

The Democrats are already weak. They don't even exist where I live, they can't be bothered to field a candidate for county office. It is stunning to me how much they have completely died outside of large cities and some suburbs and the answer to those people that some in my state have called "ancestral FDR Democrats" is not Kamala Harris, whether you like to hear it or not it'd be J.D. Vance more than Harris. The party coalitions right now are almost a reverse of 1932, where Republicans were the Northeast, big money, and city elites and the Democrats were everyone else. The "everyone else" coalition ruled for the next 30 plus years. The one benefit for the Democrats is those big money and city elites are more geographically spread than they were in the 1930s, and they now have the West Coast and universities. It's stunning to me how far up their own asshole Democrats disappeared into when they are running against DONALD TRUMP, this giant existential crisis for the country!

yes, but No Labels wouldn't help in that regard anyway.

in any case, one emergency at a time.

the darkly amusing thing is that if this were Nikki Haley running, the GOP would almost certainly win by a crushing landslide, Biden quitting or not. And we'd all be breathing a lot easier...or at least S2 would. :-)

[Albany Rifles]

Literally none of that matters. This is going to be the most important VP pick in our lifetimes. Everything you said just boils down to "woke black woman". Team Trump is going to be blowing more whistles than a steam locomotive. I really hope she picks Kelley... Centrist, fighter pilot and spaceship captain American hero from a swing state. Also seeing Shapiro. If she picks a progressive or fellow minority, I think she sinks her own ship by playing right to Trump's self-evident strategy.

Kelley would be good...would help bring Arizona with him. I also like Andy Brashear, KY GOV. Also Roy Cooper, GOV NC. Both are centrist Democrats who have had some success working with GOP legislatures. And also both have won reelection running as Democrats.

[Albany Rifles]

"...At that time it unleashed an internecine cat-fight that virtually handed Regan the White House on a silver plate."

I'm old enough to remember that it was Nixon who won but I also remember a campaign that showed RFK leading until shot in L.A. HHH, our serving V.P., trailed in the primaries until RFK was removed. LBJ gave them a fighting chance by withdrawing in March, 1968.

Riots at the Dem convention later. Crazy days.

Truer words.

Losing Martin and then Bobby was a real gut punch. As I have said several times before Thank God for Apollo 8...it made that shitshow of a year worthwhile!

[rj1]

Biden was getting crushed in the polls -- him quitting now gives Dems a fighting chance, no more.

He should've made the decision a year ago. Then Democrats would at least have gotten a chance to pick their nominee for President. Like I post above, a lot of people were skeptical on Biden. That was the entire underpinning of Dean Phillips' presidential campaign was "we need to replace Biden, this is what everyone is saying behind closed doors but no one will say in public".

a credible No Labels presidential bid would simply weaken the Dems, not act as a moderating influence.

The Democrats are already weak. They don't even exist where I live, they can't be bothered to field a candidate for county office. It is stunning to me how much they have completely died outside of large cities and some suburbs and the answer to those people that some in my state have called "ancestral FDR Democrats" is not Kamala Harris, whether you like to hear it or not it'd be J.D. Vance more than Harris. The party coalitions right now are almost a reverse of 1932, where Republicans were the Northeast, big money, and city elites and the Democrats were everyone else. The "everyone else" coalition ruled for the next 30 plus years. The one benefit for the Democrats is those big money and city elites are more geographically spread than they were in the 1930s, and they now have the West Coast and universities. It's stunning to me how far up their own asshole Democrats disappeared into when they are running against DONALD TRUMP, this giant existential crisis for the country!