2024 U.S. Election of President and Vice President

[Monash]

Nah, Pence is a fanatic in a nice suit. The fact he doesn't think America shouldn't become the sort of dictatorship Trump wants doesn't even qualify as clearing a bar. There are others in the race who can meet that standard & not see Gilead as some sort of ideal society. Tim Scott, for example, has made public his disagreement with Trump's attempt to take power on Jan.6 and I doubt Chris Christie, or Nikki Haley, flawed as they are would agree with it either.

Trump is the sort of obvious, crude evil you can easily see as it clumsily and loudly tries to enact its evil. Pence is the sort of evil that knows how to work the system so that it is never as obvious. If there is no option C then just torch the fucking lot.

BF as I noted my comment about Pence was based on the premise that I had to choose one of the candidates that have so far nominated. That is not a ringing endorsement of Pence, more like saying that if I had to choose someone to run Germany in 1933 it would be Goering.

[Bigfella]

BF as I noted my comment about Pence was based on the premise that I had to choose one of the candidates that have so far nominated. That is not a ringing endorsement of Pence, more like saying that if I had to choose someone to run Germany in 1933 it would be Goering.

Sure, but I did offer alternatives. Scott formally nominated last month. Not sure if Haley has, but she announced her campaign in Feb. Both better than Pence (or fat Hermann for that matter).

[Monash]

Sure, but I did offer alternatives. Scott formally nominated last month. Not sure if Haley has, but she announced her campaign in Feb. Both better than Pence (or fat Hermann for that matter).

Possibly, I didn't name them BTW simply because I don't know enough about their history to form an opinion. That said I'd be quite happy to see Herman Goering nominate for the Republican ticket in 2024! If that's what it takes to bring on some honest and wide eyed soul searching/introspection in the GOP bring it on I say.

[Bigfella]

Possibly, I didn't name them BTW simply because I don't know enough about their history to form an opinion. That siad I'd be quite happy to see Herman Goering nominate for the Republican ticket in 2024! If that's what it takes to bring on honest and wide eyed some soul searching/introspection in the GOP bring it on I say.

You've seen how tribal they are. If Fat Hermann was their leader they'd defend him to the end.

[Monash]

You've seen how tribal they are. If Fat Hermann was their leader they'd defend him to the end.

On that point I have to disagree. According to the reports, polls and news articles I've seen 'they' are less than 30% (in most regions probably less than that) of registered Republicans. The thing is Biden, who lets face it is the antithesis of your stereotypical charismatic politician won in part last time because of the 'anyone but Trump' section of conservative voters. That grouping is still out there.

[tbm3fan]

And, the most scary thing about Mike Pence is that he would probably be very effective in imposing his will on the executive branch.
Ugh!

In my view Pence is another budding religious autocrat of which world history is replete with. Many of whom would give Hitler and Stalin a run for their money in the past. So I wouldn't trust Pence, or any other self-proclaimed I follow God male, anymore than I could launch a bugger out of my nose three feet.

[Albany Rifles]

In my view Pence is another budding religious autocrat of which world history is replete with. Many of whom would give Hitler and Stalin a run for their money in the past. So I wouldn't trust Pence, or any other self-proclaimed I follow God male, anymore than I could launch a bugger out of my nose three feet.

Want me to teach you?

[tbm3fan]

Want me to teach you?

You're logistics. You stock them while I think that launch would be more up GG's alley.

[Albany Rifles]

You're logistics. You stock them while I think that launch would be more up GG's alley.

I was originally an Infantry and mortarman first, so...much experience with antitank missiles and tanks firing!!!

[Gun Grape]

anymore than I could launch a bugger out of my nose three feet..

Want me to teach you?

I was originally an Infantry and mortarman first, so...much experience

I always heard that Army Infantrymen were bugger eaters :)

[Albany Rifles]

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I always heard that Army Infantrymen were bugger eaters :)

Those are Marine Infantrymen

[Gun Grape]

Those are Marine Infantrymen

Nah They eat crayons

[Albany Rifles]

Nah They eat crayons

That's right. I looked up the Army Infantry & boogers and they don't start eating them until they were majors. I was QM Corps by the time I hit major. That's why I don't remember.

[Gun Grape]

That's right. I looked up the Army Infantry & boogers and they don't start eating them until they were majors. I was QM Corps by the time I hit major. That's why I don't remember.

That statement compels me to post this

[TopHatter]

Under Fire From DeSantis, Trump Dog-Whistles To Anti-Vaccine Community

Former President Donald Trump vowed Monday to create a special presidential commission to investigate a “decadeslong increase in chronic illnesses” as some of his White House rivals run to his right on vaccine safety.

Trump blamed “Big Pharma,” the term members of both parties use to deride the world’s pharmaceutical giants, for the well-documented rise in the percentage of children and adults reporting chronic illnesses over the last several decades. His remarks were a dog whistle to vaccine-skeptical Republicans, who are more likely than Democrats to believe misinformation about vaccines and remain unvaccinated.

“Too often, our public health establishment is too close to Big Pharma — they make a lot of money, Big Pharma — big corporations, and other special interests, and does not want to ask the tough questions about what is happening to our children’s health,” Trump said in a video posted Monday on the platform Rumble. He promised to prioritize his commission “when I’m back in the White House.”

“There has been an unexplained and alarming growth in the prevalence of chronic illnesses and health problems, especially in children,” Trump continued. “We’ve seen a stunning rise in autism, auto-immune disorders, obesity, infertility, serious allergies and respiratory challenges.”

It’s not a coincidence Trump mentions autism first: The false belief that vaccines cause autism is a cornerstone of anti-vaccine movements and conspiracy theories. In general, chronic medical conditions have many causes, but vaccines aren’t one of them.

Trump’s biggest rival for the GOP nomination, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, is hitting the former president for embracing the COVID vaccine in an attempt to siphon support from vaccine opponents.


Former President Donald Trump said he wants to investigate chronic illnesses once he "returns to the White House."

Trump’s administration spearheaded Operation Warp Speed to get shots in arms at a time when Americans had little other protection against the coronavirus. Even so, Trump himself got the shot in private so he wouldn’t alienate the vaccine skeptics in his base. He’s even gotten booed at rallies for telling his supporters to get the vaccine.

An account affiliated with the presidential campaign for DeSantis — an advocate of “medical freedom” who called for a grand jury investigation into vaccine safety — has noted Trump’s embrace of vaccines and tweeted about Trump’s recent interaction with an Iowa voter who claimed, “people died because you supported the jab.” Trump defended his record and replied that many Americans viewed the shot as “a great thing.”

DeSantis’ political profile exploded after he became a critic of COVID lockdowns and mandated vaccinations, which he’s putting front and center to voters as he competes against Trump.

Trump is also getting squeezed on the vaccine skeptic front by Democrat Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a notorious opponent of vaccines who is challenging President Joe Biden in a longshot bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Kennedy had been banned from social media for attempting to link vaccines to autism and comparing forced vaccination to Nazi Germany. He complained this week in a live Twitter interview with the site’s owner, Elon Musk, that social media sites had silenced him for his views, which violated their terms of service against spreading misinformation.

During Trump’s presidential transition, Kennedy claimed Trump offered him a job leading a commission on vaccine safety, while Trump officials said no final decision had been made. The job, and the commission, never materialized.

Despite running in a race for the Democratic nomination, Kennedy has become a darling of the right. He’s also managed to reach 20% support in polls of the Democratic primary, suggesting an uneasiness with Biden’s advanced age.

Trump didn’t mention vaccines specifically in his video, but his message was clear. “If Big Pharma defrauds American patients and taxpayers or puts profits above people, they must be investigated and held accountable,” he said.
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I'm sure it's coming right after his "great healthcare plan", i.e. in "two weeks".....