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  • #46
    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

    Jack did not mention impeachment in his calls. But he wanted the word to get around that Trump is still a Republican — and for many, still the leader of his party.
    “The president wanted me to know, as well as a handful of others, that the president is a Republican, he is not starting a third party and that anything he would do politically in the future would be as a Republican,” recounted Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.). “The Republican Party is still overwhelmingly supportive of this president.”


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    McConnell has got to be thrilled with the fact that Trump is the leader of the Republican Part and intends to stay on...

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    • #47
      Originally posted by BBC_News

      House of Representatives delivers impeachment charge against Trump - BBC News
      Published on 26 January 2021



      Leaders in the US House of Representatives have officially delivered their article of impeachment against former President Donald Trump to the Senate, the first step in beginning his trial.

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      • #48
        It’s become a common adage within the Senate GOP that if the trial had occurred on Jan. 7, Trump might have seen a flood of Republicans looking to make a clean break with him.
        this is the worst sort of self-serving, politically cowardly BS.
        There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Bigfella View Post

          Maybe do a deal to reintroduce Federal Troops to Southern States until they stop suppressing black votes and finish the business of Reconstruction. Republicans like that whole 'Party of Lincoln' stuff and keep telling us that Democrats are the racist ones, so that shouldn't be a problem....right.
          MUCH more reasonable, well done.

          Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Bigfella View Post

            Does this mean Dems can finally get some payback on Hayes for stealing the election in 1876?
            Ya know, this only works if you understand how the 2 parties flipped policies and philosophies in the mid-20th Century, right?
            “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
            Mark Twain

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            • #51
              I couldn't decide where to stick this since it could be any number of ongoing threads So I decided here since it revolves around impeachment

              This from Oregon and their Republican Party. Oregon of all places. I'm stunned as the Republicans jump out into the Marianas Trench

              How Oregon just proved Donald Trump isn't going anywhere

              (CNN)On Monday night, the Oregon Republican Party issued a formal condemnation of the 10 House Republicans who voted in favor of impeaching President Donald Trump for his role in inciting the violent insurrection at the US Capitol on January 6.


              Here's a sampling of actual lines from the Oregon GOP's, uh, proclamation.

              * Whereas history tells us that after George Washington appointed Major General Benedict Arnold to command West Point, Arnold conspired to surrender the fort to the British."

              * "Whereas the ten Republican House members, by voting to impeach President Trump, repeated history by conspiring to surrender our nation to Leftist forces seeking to establish a dictatorship void of all cherished freedoms and liberties."

              * "Whereas there is growing evidence that the violence at the Capitol was a 'false flag' operation designed to discredit President Trump, his supporters, and all conservative Republicans; this provided the sham motivation to impeach President Trump in order to advance the Democrat goal of seizing total power, in a frightening parallel to the February 1933 burning of the German Reichstag."


              OK, OK, OK.

              So, just so we are clear here, the Oregon Republican Party is saying that in voting to impeach Trump, these 10 Republicans are the equivalent to the burning of the German seat of government that led to Adolf Hitler's seizure of absolute power? Or that they are in the same boat as legendary traitor Benedict Arnold who conspired to sell out America during the Revolutionary War?

              Oh, and also that the January 6 riot at the Capitol was also a "false flag" operation organized by anti-Trump forces designed "to advance the Democrat goal of seizing total power." (Worth noting: The claim that the Nazis purposely started the Reichstag fire is still up for debate.)
              Uh ... this is crazy.

              And yet, it's not an isolated incident.

              In recent days, the Arizona Republican Party has reelected Kelli Ward as its chair -- a woman who has repeatedly insisted that the 2020 election was stolen and that Republicans in Congress should have sought to overturn the results. And the state party censured its own governor -- Doug Ducey -- as well as Cindy McCain, the wife of the late Arizona Sen. John McCain, and former Sen. Jeff Flake.

              Those moves follow this tweet from the Arizona GOP's official account on January 1:

              "As the sun sets on 2020, remember that we're never going back to the party of Romney, Flake, and McCain. The Republican Party is now, and forever will be, one for the working man and woman! God bless."

              Taken together, what the moves in Arizona and Oregon -- not to mention the Arkansas gubernatorial candidacy of former White House press secretary Sarah Sanders and the attempts to oust Rep. Liz Cheney from GOP leadership for her impeachment vote -- suggest that attempts by the likes of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Kentucky) and other prominent establishment Republicans to rid the GOP of the memory (and influence) of the 45th president are very likely to fail.

              As CNN's Michael Warren wrote Tuesday in a piece about the ongoing civil war within the GOP:

              "Some in congressional leadership have signaled their desire to move the party beyond Trump by impeaching and convicting him. Allies of the former President, on the other hand, are proclaiming their loyalty to him in conservative media and in state and local party organizations. Still other Republicans remain fearful of the power Trump may yet wield in GOP primaries or see electoral possibilities in embracing a version of his populist-conservative approach.

              "The result is a Republican Party in a fight with itself over who will determine its path forward -- and, more crucially, who should be kept from the levers of power in the GOP. For the moment, party unity is giving way to recriminations, a culmination of the longstanding dispute between the party's grassroots and its leadership class that was mostly put on hold during Trump's presidency, when few Republicans dared to cross him."

              As North Dakota Sen. Kevin Cramer (R), an ardent defender of the former president who did not vote to object to the Electoral College results on January 6, put it in an interview with CNN's Lauren Fox: "There are a lot of Republicans who would like my head. I haven't been loyal enough."

              Add it all up and you get this: The GOP isn't at the end of this war for its future. It's at the very beginning, And it is going to get very, very ugly.


              https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/26/polit...ump/index.html

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              • #52
                Republicans Vote En Masse Against Trying Trump

                “Republicans rallied en masse on Tuesday against trying former President Donald Trump for ‘incitement of insurrection,’ with only five members of his party joining Democrats in voting to go forward with the impeachment trial for his role stirring up a mob that attacked the Capitol,” the New York Times reports.

                “In a 55 to 45 vote that strongly suggested that the Senate does not have the votes to convict the former president, senators narrowly killed a Republican effort to dismiss the impeachment charge as unconstitutional. The opposition of all but a handful of Republicans underscored Mr. Trump’s continued strength in the party even after his brazen campaign to overturn his election defeat, fueled by false claims of voting fraud, and he left office with his party relegated to the minority in both houses of Congress.”
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                Welp, I think we've all seen this little song-and-dance routine before. Not even having a mob of Trump's cult members howling for their blood inside their work place is enough to sway these obsequious boot lickers.

                Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                • #53
                  Trump himself suggested a former president can be impeached

                  With former President Donald Trump's Senate impeachment trial looming, several Republicans in the upper chamber are reportedly rallying around the argument that impeaching a president who is already out of office is unconstitutional.

                  As The Dispatch and Politico note, scholars in legal circles that span the political spectrum generally disagree, and Trump himself suggested ex-presidents could be tried a year ago. Per The Washington Post, when Trump was impeached for the first time, he complained that Congress should be going after former President Barack Obama instead over comments he made about health care. "We should impeach him for that," Trump said. "Why aren't we impeaching him?"

                  Some of his staunchest allies in Congress concurred, including Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), who stated explicitly in 2019 that former presidents are subject to impeachment. Gaetz didn't change his mind this time around, though he made the case Trump's actions aren't impeachment-worthy. Regardless, the comments raise questions about the sincerity of the argument.
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                  Always a tweet, always a quote.
                  Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                  • #54
                    Trump attorneys leave legal team 9 days before impeachment trial

                    Two lawyers who had joined former President Trump's legal team amid his looming second impeachment trial have parted ways with his legal team. South Carolina attorney Butch Bowers, who was expected to be the lead attorney, and Deborah Barbier, are no longer part of his legal team, Trump spokesman Jason Miller adviser said Saturday night.

                    "The Democrats' efforts to impeach a president who has already left office is totally unconstitutional and so bad for our country. In fact, 45 Senators have already voted that it is unconstitutional. We have done much work, but have not made a final decision on our legal team, which will be made shortly," Miller said.

                    A Trump adviser said the decision was mutual.

                    When asked who would be representing Mr. Trump, Miller said the team will likely make an announcement "in the next couple of days."

                    CBS News has reached out to both attorneys for comment.

                    Mr. Trump's second impeachment trial is set to begin on February 9. The House impeached Mr. Trump on January 13 on a charge of "incitement of insurrection." One week earlier, Mr. Trump had encouraged his supporters to "fight like hell" to stop Congress from counting the Electoral College votes, the final step in affirming President Joe Biden's victory. A mob of his supporters then stormed the U.S. Capitol, sending lawmakers fleeing and delaying the count for nearly six hours. Five people died in the melee.

                    Mr. Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani, who was a public figure in the former president's fruitless battle to overturn the election results, said he would not be part of Mr. Trump's impeachment legal team because he was at the rally. "Due to the fact that I may be a witness, the rules of legal ethics would prohibit me from representing the President as trial counsel in the impeachment trial," Giuliani told CBS News on January 18.

                    Mr. Trump's star lawyers from his first impeachment trial, including Mr. Trump's long time attorney Jay Sekulow and former White House counsel Pat Cipollone, are not defending him this time. Cipollone, in particular, was one of the White House officials who a group of Republican senators called in the aftermath of the assault to convince them to stay on until Mr. Trump left office, an aide to Senator Mike Lee said on January 7.

                    Senator Lindsey Graham announced last week that Bowers, a powerhouse Columbia lawyer with an impressive record defending Republican politicians, would be the "lead anchor" on Mr. Trump's defense team. Miller confirmed that Bowers would join the team in a tweet on January 21.

                    Bowers represented former South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford when the legislature considered impeaching him after he admitted to lying to aides about hiking the Appalachian trail when he was actually with his mistress in Argentina. Sanford was ultimately censured instead.

                    Bowers also represented Trump ally Nikki Haley when she faced ethics charges of illegal lobbying while she was still in the South Carolina legislature. Haley was cleared in that inquiry.

                    Bowers is a member in good standing in both the South Carolina Bar and the District of Columbia Bar, according to their directories. Bowers previously told the South Carolina Post and Courier he looks "forward to representing the former president."

                    Barbier, who runs a small firm in Columbia, joined the legal team earlier this week, according to the South Carolina Post-Courier. In perhaps her most high-profile case, Barbier defended Joey Meeks, a friend of the Emanuel AME shooter Dylann Roof. Meeks, who pleaded guilty to telling others not to share with authorities that Roof was behind the massacre, was sentenced to 27 months in prison, according to the Post-Courier.

                    Barbier also defended a powerful South Carolina political operative charged in 2017 with conspiracy and illegal lobbying at the statehouse, the Post-Courier reported. That case was ultimately dropped.
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                    I was pretty shocked when a guy like Bowers joined the team...and now the other shoe just dropped lol. Guess he figures "Why drag my reputation through the mud defending a traitor that's already been acquitted?"
                    Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                      Trump attorneys leave legal team 9 days before impeachment trial
                      Most any Senator vulnerable to changing his(/her) vote in this trial will make his determination on a purely political calculus.

                      I suspect that Trump could be defended by a highly competent legal defense team, or by Rudy Guiliani and Sydney Powell, or by a troop of Florida's Herpes Monkeys (aggressive herpes infected rhesus macaques monkeys from Florida's Silver Springs and other regions), and the differences in legal defense would not change the outcome by one vote.

                      My preference would be to watch the monkeys.

                      There won't be enough Republicans voting against Trump. Much like Bill Clinton, Trump will get his POTUS pension and medical benefits, his Secret Service security team renting living space on Trump property, his travel budget, his presidential library (for his collections of vintage comic books and porno movies?), his office and his secretary, his lifetime supply of computer/email servers provided by GSA, etc., and will also continue to collect millions in donations from the red-hatted cult of nitwits into his slush fund leadership PAC.






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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by JRT View Post
                        I suspect that Trump could be defended by a highly competent legal defense team, or by Rudy Guiliani and Sydney Powell, or by a troop of Florida's Herpes Monkeys (aggressive herpes infected rhesus macaques monkeys from Florida's Silver Springs and other regions), and the differences in legal defense would not change the outcome by one vote.

                        My preference would be to watch the monkeys.
                        Nailed it.

                        And I agree about the monkeys
                        Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                        • #57
                          the main reason why those two Trump lawyers left is because Trump wants to proclaim again how he really won the election.

                          the lawyers wanted an argument in line with the current Senate GOP procedural defense, ie "you can't convict a guy who is not current President."

                          so, the Senate GOP gets to eat one more Trump serving of crow, and humiliate themselves again. I don't mind; the outcome is already known, so the least they can do is be honest with the American people about why it is they're voting the way they are, and not use a fig leaf.
                          There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                          • #58
                            Trump’s lawyers misspell ‘United States’ in opening lines of impeachment response

                            Former president Donald Trump’s new legal team got off to a shaky start in a legal brief on Tuesday, addressing their arguments to the “Unites States Senate” instead of the United States Senate, the body that will try Mr Trump on 9 February on allegations he incited the 6 January attack on the Capitol.

                            The typo comes right off the bat, with the document declaring it is for “The Honorable, the Members of the Unites States Senate,” five lines in.

                            The legal memo, which argues the president can’t be impeached after leaving office, was exercising his free speech rights criticising the election, and didn’t cause the riot, also contains, for the true grammarians out there, a missing apostrophe.

                            The mistakes come after the former president announced two new lead lawyers on Sunday, including David Schoen, who’d discussed representing Jeffrey Epstein before his death by suicide in 2019. The shake-ups followed the departure of five lawyers from Mr Trump’s impeachment team in recent days.

                            They’re also reminiscent of the president and his allies’ chaotic legal effort to overturn the legitimate election results, where lawyers backing the president bungled basic composition somewhat regularly, once writing “DISTRCOICT” instead of “district,” and submitting another lawsuit with a promise it contained “plenty of perjury."

                            The more than 60 election suits, none of which were successful in changing the election results or discovering evidence of massive voter fraud, also contained numerous factual blunders, such as accidentally arguing malfunctioning voting machines boosted Donald Trump and referring to a non-existent county in Michigan.

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                            "I'm going to surround myself only with the best and most serious people...We want top of the line professionals." ~ Donald Trump August 2015

                            Apparently the best and most serious people were even more illiterate than Donald Trump himself. I'm guessing he did his hiring in a remedial kindergarten class or something.

                            FFS...

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                            • #59
                              I am curious to hear from board members on this scenario.

                              Imagine if Trump had been an excellent president (and when you have finished that intense mental workout) also imagine that the capital riots never occurred. The only think that actually did happen is that all of sudden after he lost the election, he told all the lies about the election process being rigged and stolen etc with zero evidence. Would that be a justifable reason for impeachment on its own?

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                              • #60
                                he told all the lies about the election process being rigged and stolen etc with zero evidence. Would that be a justifable reason for impeachment on its own?
                                he's not being impeached for -lying-. he does that every hour of his waking life. impeachment wouldn't have happened if he was JUST screaming at the top of his lungs that the election was stolen.

                                he's being impeached for incitement.


                                There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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