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  • Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
    The Senate was breached. The officers with guns drawn were at the doors to the House.
    Not according to this source.

    Eugene Goodman: Capitol Police officer hailed as hero for diverting rioters from Senate chamber.

    Had the rioters turned right, they would have been a few feet away from the main entrance into the chamber. On the other side of that door, had they made their way into the Senate, were at least a half-dozen armed officers, including one with a semiautomatic weapon in the middle of the floor scanning each entrance for intruders.


    • Trump Always Had a Whiff of Fascism
      Some Republicans and conservatives are just now realizing that Trump is a danger. Here’s what they missed.

      Throngs of self-styled conservatives and Republicans have now reached the thunderous realization that Trump is not just a harmless clown. Former White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney told Chuck Todd on Meet the Press that “I never thought I’d see a day in our country where people from any side of the political spectrum would storm the Capitol in order to intentionally stop the constitutional transfer of power.” He acknowledged Trump’s incendiary rhetoric, but insisted that this kind of incitement was par for the course in politics, and he was shocked that people took Trump literally.

      It seems we have an entire party stocked with Captain Renaults.

      While it’s good to see some lines being drawn at long last, it may be too late. As with the response to the coronavirus, timing is everything. If steps had been taken immediately, they would have been successful. But after the contagion has spread, it’s too little, too late. Republicans had many, many chances to curtail the spread and isolate the super-spreader, but they kept saying there was nothing to it, or it would simply go away, or it was all a hoax perpetrated by the left to install socialism.

      I like a conversion as much as the next person, but sorry, there was always a whiff of fascism about Trump. Don’t tell us you’re just discovering it now. His fascination with strength instead of values, his promises to commit war crimes (legal niceties be damned), his twisted admiration of strong men, his avalanche of lies, his ignorance of and contempt for law, his targeting of minority groups, his stoking of grievance and victimhood. It was all there. Yes, it was interspersed with humor and entertainment. Think that means it can’t be dangerous? Have you ever seen a Hugo Chavez or Rodrigo Duterte speech?

      Didn’t Republicans see him encouraging violence among his followers at rallies in 2016? Don’t they remember the thuggish threats his people issued during the 2016 campaign?

      No? Well, let’s refresh our recollection. In April 2016, Trump and Ted Cruz were still battling for delegates. Here is what Trump’s recently pardoned consigliere, Roger Stone, said at the time:
      They’re trying to steal it in two different ways. It is interesting to me that in every primary or caucus where Ted Cruz won, we have certified, proven, sworn evidence of massive voter fraud, which will later be presented to the credentials committee in Cleveland in an attempt to unseat delegates who were illegally elected.
      Threatening “days of rage” in Cleveland, Stone continued, “We’re going to have protests, demonstrations. We will disclose the hotels and the room numbers of those delegates who are directly involved in the steal . . .”

      Stone didn’t even bother to clothe his threats of physical violence in humor.

      Trump was always clear about his attraction to political violence. Speaking of Clinton, he warned that if elected, she could curtail gun rights. “If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks.” The crowd booed. He then added: “Although the Second Amendment people—maybe there is, I don’t know.”

      That became a tick. He would invoke the Second Amendment as a code for encouraging his supporters to resort to violence. “LIBERATE VIRGINIA,” he tweeted in 2020, “and save your great 2nd amendment. It’s under siege.” “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!” Trump screamed from his keyboard. Heavily armed protesters showed up at the Michigan State house.

      Even after some members of that mob were arrested for plotting to kidnap and possibly assassinate the governor and blow up the capital, Trump continued his incitement against Gov. Gretchen Whitmer. Appearing at a rally in Michigan, he joked about the attempt on her life.

      Let that sink in. The FBI had arrested a group of domestic terrorists who were planning an attack on a sitting governor, and the president of the United States made light of it: “I’m the one, it was our people that helped her out with her problem. I mean, we’ll have to see if it’s a problem. Right? People are entitled to say maybe it was a problem, maybe it wasn’t.”
      Gov. Whitmer wrote a few days later:
      Every time the president ramps up this violent rhetoric, every time he fires up Twitter to launch another broadside against me, my family and I see a surge of vicious attacks sent our way. This is no coincidence, and the President knows it. He is sowing division and putting leaders, especially women leaders, at risk. And all because he thinks it will help his reelection.
      Did Mick Mulvaney & Co. miss that? Did they not notice when Trump loyalists cheered on vigilantism? When rioting broke out after the George Floyd killing, Trump lapdog Rep. Matt Gaetz tweeted, “Now that we clearly see Antifa as terrorists, can we hunt them down like we do those in the middle east?”

      Trump’s acolytes got the idea quickly enough. Rep. Steve King tweeted an image of red states fighting blue states with the caption, “Folks keep talking about another Civil War. . . One side has about 8 trillion bullets, while the other side doesn’t know which bathroom to use.”

      Perhaps today’s aware Republicans were otherwise engaged when Trump and his gang made Kyle Rittenhouse a hero, and offered a Republican Convention speaking slot to the gun-brandishing lawyers from St. Louis? What did they make of Trump’s tweet, “When the looting starts, the shooting starts?”

      Even his famous boast about the loyalty of his followers was revealing. He said he could “shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any followers.” As we now see, he might gain some.

      Since Republicans said hardly a word, one must conclude that they were not alarmed when Trump phoned the Georgia secretary of state and instructed him to “find” 11,780 votes—in other words to steal the election he was accusing his opponents of stealing.

      As Jay Nordlinger writes, Trump’s interpretation of the Tiananmen Square massacre was that it was a close call—not for the democracy demonstrators, but for the Communist party. “When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength.”

      Throughout his catastrophe of a presidency, Trump has demolished trust in institutions, leading his progressively radicalized followers to doubt all sources of information except himself. And here we are: The greatest liar in American history has more fanatical believers than anyone has ever commanded. As historian Timothy Snyder put it, “Post truth is pre-fascist.”

      Republicans who are drawing a line now and saying that they never imagined Trump’s personal militias would smash cop’s heads with fire extinguishers and defecate in the halls of the Capitol must also answer this question: What else do you expect when you falsely allege a stolen election? Faith in elections is the sine qua non of a functioning democracy. If elections are not free and fair, what alternative is there to violence?

      Now Mulvaney and Nikki Haley and Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell and many others are finding a line they think is too far. Inciting a mob to invade the Capitol in order to stop the certification of the election is the one thing, the only thing, that got their attention. Good for them. But while they and nearly the entire Republican party and its opinion-shaping satellites were averting their eyes, and cooperating, and enabling, the Trump virus spread. It’s now an epidemic, and there is no vaccine on the horizon.
      Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value


      • The Alt-Right Is Now the Entire Right
        The voices of reason, reality, and responsibility are a cowering minority in the Republican party.

        Remember the alt-right? The sludge of white supremacists, misogynists, neo-Nazis, and various chauvinists leaked out of the putrid corners of the internet in the years leading up to Donald Trump’s election. Although their various hatreds, grievances, and conspiracy theories were old, they saw themselves as something new. Their very name placed them in opposition to the status quo. They weren’t the American right, the coalition that included politicians like then-House Speaker Paul Ryan and Sens. Jeff Flake and John McCain, as well as the Wall Street Journal editorial board and the intellectuals in the conservative think tanks and magazines. No, they were the blood-and-soil, tiki-torches-and-khakis alternative.

        The one new thing about the alt-right, apart from its embrace of internet anonymity as a modern-day successor to the Klan hood, was its leaders. There was Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist proprietor of InfoWars, famous for his concern over gay frogs, and Richard Spencer, a neo-Nazi provocateur known for getting punched. For those who preferred stronger flavors, there was Nick Fuentes, a Holocaust denier and self-described “Campus Conservative,” and Milo Yiannopoulos, who mixed white nationalism with defenses of pedophilia. The chief impresario was Steve Bannon, who made the website he took over, Breitbart, into a “platform for the alt-right.”

        That was then. By its own definition, the alt-right is no more. Because it’s no longer an alternative to the right. It is the right.

        Most of the Republican party is now more or less where the alt-right was four years ago, at least in embracing conspiracy theories—starting with the most consequential conspiracy theory of the last year: that Trump won the 2020 election but it was stolen from him by some combination of Democratic fraudsters, foreign and domestic socialists, and voting-machine companies, backed up by Big Tech. Courts asked to weigh in on these claims repeatedly slapped them down, and the pro-Trump lawyers who filed them increasingly revealed themselves to be unhinged. But about three-quarters of Republicans believe that President-elect Biden’s victory was illegitimate. And a majority of the Republicans in Congress supported the baseless claims: Two-thirds of the GOP representatives objected to certifying Electoral College votes last Wednesday, and over a quarter of GOP senators did (and/or said they intended to do) the same thing.

        And what of the other big conspiracy theories in recent years? Among Republicans who have heard of QAnon, 41 percent say it’s somewhat good or very good for the country. Just 26 percent labeled it “very bad.” A plurality of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents believe that the statement “the coronavirus outbreak was intentionally planned by powerful people” is probably or definitely true. The figure is even higher for self-described “conservatives.”

        Of course, belief in conspiracy theories isn’t an isolated metaphysical phenomenon. It brings with it moral and political ramifications. Rare indeed is the conspiracy theorist who believes the world is controlled by a secret, powerful cabal—be it the Jews, the Illuminati, or the lizard people—and decides to stay on its good side. Embedded in the conspiracy theory itself is the need to fight the conspiracy, often violently. No wonder Republicans are so tolerant of violence. According to one poll, more than two-thirds of Republicans said the storming of the Capitol on January 6 was not a threat to democracy. A plurality (45 percent) approved of the insurrection.

        Nor are most conspiracy theories (and for that matter, conspiracy theorists) devoid of other ideological stains: The QAnon conspiracy, after all, is based in part on a warmed-over version of the thousand-year-old anti-Semitic blood libel. Some Republicans spent years defending themselves and their co-partisans against accusations of racism, only to have the regime of “they’re not sending us their best,” the Muslim ban, “good people on both sides,” “go back where you came from,” “shithole countries,” family separations, kids in cages, and “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” make racism an integral part of the modern Republican platform. Last week, QAnon apostle and Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert live-tweeted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s location as the U.S. Capitol Police were being overrun; Republican Rep. Mary Miller told a crowd that “Hitler was right about one thing” (she has since apologized); and Trump himself told those engaged in armed insurrection against the U.S. government, “you’re very special.”

        Bannon, for his part, having been discarded by Trump in early 2018, was arrested last August aboard a 150-foot yacht belonging to Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui in what turned out to be the perfect metaphor. After a relatively short stint as Trump’s senior advisor, he had become obsolete. The president didn’t need a theorist of white-grievance politics whispering in his ear; he didn’t need the man who gave a platform to the alt-right. Trump had become the embodiment of the alt-right, its leader and avatar, a human Pepe the Frog meme.

        Yes, there are still non-racist, non-conspiracy-theorist, “normal” Republicans left in the party. Some freshman Republican members of Congress, like Reps. Nancy Mace and Peter Meijer, bear no responsibility for the ugliness of the last few years and have reacted with suitable outrage to recent events. But they and Larry Hogan and Mitt Romney and Adam Kinzinger aren’t the dreaded “GOP establishment” against which Trump has channeled such hatred and contempt for the last six years. Today, they are the alternative, and Trump and his team are the establishment.

        Lisa Murkowski, in almost the same breath as she called for Trump to leave office, considered what she had in common with her fellow Republicans anymore. “If the Republican party has become nothing more than the party of Trump, I sincerely question whether this is the party for me.”

        Good question. Parties have reinvented themselves before, including the Republican party, in its conservative turn of the 1960s-70s and again over the last few years. But it’s hard to imagine a new, reasonable, reality-minded Republican party building itself from the wreckage of today’s GOP.
        Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value


        • Now they see he has a bit of fascism in him? Give me a break.

          Mankind and all forms of governing systems have these kind of people lurking in the background. From the U.S. to even Russia there are those for desire full control and power over everyone else. I'm sure there are those in Russia who are worse than Putin. Here, they were always in the background and just barely in sight but they are here. All they needed was a catalyst to get the ball rolling and their catalyst was Trump.

          For those dopes, who say they didn't realize, is bull since anyone who has paid close attention to Trump since the late 70s could see what kind of man he was. A vain and egotistical man who has always felt he was owed a lot more by people/society and wasn't getting it as he deserved it more than anyone else. Probably the #1 indicator of a man who would take any nation down a dark road and they didn't see it?

          In the end Trump was crude and unvarnished. It was a nice ride for many while he was there but now it is time to jettison him for being too crude and obvious. What happens next time when they find someone more polished and subtle?


          • McCarthy says Trump accepts 'some responsibility' for Capitol riot-sources

            WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump acknowledged he bears "some responsibility" for an assault on the U.S. Capitol last week, Republican congressional leader Kevin McCarthy told party lawmakers on Monday, according to two people familiar with McCarthy's briefing.

            McCarthy, who said he believed Trump was responsible for the violence, shared details of a phone conversation he had with Trump during an emotional 2-1/2-hour long call with Republicans, many of whom remain divided over the attack, the sources said.

            Thousands of Trump supporters stormed the seat of Congress last Wednesday, forcing lawmakers who were certifying Democratic President-elect Joe Biden's election victory into hiding in an attack that left five people dead.

            The violence occurred shortly after Trump urged supporters to march on the Capitol during a rally where he repeated false claims that the Nov. 3 election was "rigged" against him.

            Trump initially ignored demands that he condemn the attack, repeating his false claims about election fraud and referring to the supporters involved in the siege of Congress as "very special".

            A day later, he described the violence as "a heinous attack" and pledged to work towards a smooth transfer of power, although he did not concede defeat in the election.

            "I have been very clear to the president. He bears responsibility for his words and actions," McCarthy told fellow Republicans on Monday, according to one of the sources.

            "I asked him personally today if he holds responsibility for what happened, if he feels bad about what happened. He told me he does have some responsibility for what happened."

            McCarthy said he appealed to Trump to call Biden. "I'm asking you personally. Call Joe Biden. For the sake of this nation."

            Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value


            • McCarthy says Trump accepts 'some responsibility' for Capitol riot-sources

              “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
              Mark Twain


              • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
                Now they see he has a bit of fascism in him? Give me a break
                He's too incompetent to be a facist.



                • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                  He's too incompetent to be a fascist.
                  Colonel, TBM never claimed he was a good fascist!
                  “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                  Mark Twain


                  • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                    A day later, he described the violence as "a heinous attack" and pledged to work towards a smooth transfer of power, although he did not concede defeat in the election.

                    "I have been very clear to the president. He bears responsibility for his words and actions," McCarthy told fellow Republicans on Monday, according to one of the sources.

                    "I asked him personally today if he holds responsibility for what happened, if he feels bad about what happened. He told me he does have some responsibility for what happened."

                    McCarthy said he appealed to Trump to call Biden. "I'm asking you personally. Call Joe Biden. For the sake of this nation."
                    I am supposed to believe McCarthy who is part of the toxic mix? Pardon me if I don't, Kevin. By the way did you get his admission on tape? Didn't think so as we all know that his more recent public statements claim no such responsibility. The only way he'll break down will be when he is being dragged off to jail and then, only then, will he whine like every other common criminal does as cold hard reality hits them in the face.


                    • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

                      Colonel, TBM never claimed he was a good fascist!
                      Yes, more like an amateur neophyte. Woe be the day when a professional comes along.


                      • After freshman GOP Rep. Nancy Mace announced she would be opposing President Donald Trump’s bid to overturn the election, the single mother of two feared so much for her life that she applied for a concealed carry permit and sent her kids hundreds of miles from D.C.
                        Another GOP House member flew home expecting to be greeted by concerned constituents after he endured the attack last week. Instead, what he and GOP colleagues heard chilled them to the core: “Do you think that Congress got the message?”

                        Lawmakers of both parties have fielded a barrage of personal threats that only seem to be intensifying in the days since a Trump-incited siege in Washington left five people dead and dozens injured. Some of those incidents have taken place away from the now-heavily fortified Capitol grounds, forcing members to take cover in impromptu locations like airport bathrooms.

                        And rank-and-file members of both parties privately worry that the security concerns that plagued the Capitol last week could pose additional threatsto lawmakers targeted by aggrieved Trump supporters. Members of House and Senate leadership have a security detail.
                        One GOP lawmaker who bucked Trump on the floor last week, Rep. Peter Meijer of Michigan, even suggested that fears for their personal safety had influenced some of his colleagues to support Trump’s challenges to the results of the election.

                        “They knew in their heart of hearts that they should've voted to certify, but some had legitimate concerns about the safety of their families. They felt that that vote would put their families in danger,” Meijer said recently, noting the death threats that some Republicans have received after standing behind the Electoral College results.

                        There is particular fear among Republicans in Trump-heavy districts who voted against the GOP’s doomed bid to overturn the election results. Many came home last week to find constituents — preachers, school superintendents, churchgoing men and women — cheering on the effort rather than condemning it, according to multiple GOP lawmakers


                        • 'Unprecedented': Feds Say Hundreds Of Trump Rioters Can Expect A Knock On The Door

                          Federal officials sent a strong, if delayed, message to the public on Tuesday about the Trump-inspired attack on the U.S. Capitol, announcing that hundreds of cases would be brought against the insurrectionists, part of a violent mob that killed a policeman.

                          Michael Sherwin, acting U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, said at a press briefing that the U.S. Capitol was essentially a crime scene and that the FBI was working around the clock to hunt down the hundreds, if not thousands, of Trump supporters who committed crimes and were allowed to leave the building.

                          “The scope and scale of this are unprecedented, not only in FBI history but probably DOJ history,” Sherwin said.

                          Sherwin said that more than 170 subject file cases had already been opened and that the number of charges was going to “geometrically increase.”

                          “The range of criminal conduct is really ... unmatched in any type of scenario that we’ve seen at the FBI or DOJ,” Sherwin said. “We’re looking at everything from simple trespass, to theft of mail, to theft of digital devices inside the Capitol, to assault on local officer, federal officers both outside and inside the Capitol, to the theft of potential national security information, to felony murder. Just the gamut of cases and criminal conduct we’re looking at is really mind-blowing.”

                          Steven D’Antuono of the FBI’s Washington Field Office encouraged anyone who had participated in the Capitol riot to come forward and volunteer information about their participation, as he said others had done.

                          “Even if you left D.C., agents for our local field offices will be knocking on your door if we find out that you were part of the criminal activity at the Capitol,” he said.

                          I know someone they can start with, and charge with her with aiding and abetting an armed insurrection against the government of the United States.
                          Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value


                          • Lawmakers point fingers at ‘QAnon Congresswoman’ after she tweeted Pelosi’s location during Capitol riots

                            A Congressman said Rep. Lauren Boebert defied orders from the Capitol Police during the lockdown at the building by tweeting out that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had been moved from the chambers.

                            Protesters called on Ms Boebert to resign for alerting the rioters - who she admitted included some of her constituents - to details about Ms Pelosi's whereabouts.

                            Some rioters called out they were "coming for" Ms Pelosi during the assault on the Capitol.

                            Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii tweeted Monday that the lawmakers had been explicitly told by Capitol police during the lockdown that they should not tell anyone where they were, including family.

                            "We were specifically instructed by those protecting us not to tell anyone, including our family, where exactly we were, for reasons that remain obvious," Mr Schatz wrote.

                            Ms Boebert, being a member of the House, would not have been housed with Mr Schatz during the lockdown. However, Rep. Eric Swalwell was housed with her, and claimed they were given a similar order.

                            "So were we in the House. @laurenboebert was told by the Sergeant of Arms in the chamber to not make any social media posts. It was said repeatedly. She defied it because she is more closely aligned with the terrorists than the patriots," Mr Swalwell wrote.

                            Mr Schatz urged caution in making accusations, but agreed that investigations into which congressional members were coordinating or otherwise aiding the rioters should be carried out.

                            "It’s not clear to what extent the rioters were coordinating operationally with government officials, so we ought to be extremely careful in this line of inquiry," he wrote. "But we must discover which elected and appointed officials, if any, and which civil servants, were helping the coup."

                            Ms Boebert released a statement saying she denounced the violence at the US Capitol as well as violence the occurred during racial justice protests over the summer. She then attempted to defend herself by pointing out that CSPAN had reported on Ms Pelosi being removed from the chamber before she posted her tweet.

                            In the early morning on the day of the insurrection, Ms Boebert tweeted that "Today is 1776" - a clear reference to the American Revolution.

                            In an interview after the insurrection, Ms Boebert likened her support of Mr Trump’s false claims of election fraud in an attempt to overturn the 2020 election to the American Founding Fathers signing the Declaration of Independence.

                            The Independent reached out to Ms Boebert for comment, but she was not immediately available.

                            Republicans have even called for Ms Boebert to be held accountable for the insurrection at the Capitol.

                            Colorado House Speaker, Russ George, a Republican, was interviewed by The Daily Sentinel, a Colorado newspaper in a conservative district.

                            “I’m inclined to hold everybody who had any role in (Wednesday’s events) accountable and responsible, and that includes Boebert. It’s unforgivable …” he said from Ms Boebert's hometown of Rifle.

                            Ms Boebert - who owns a gun themed restaurant called "Shooters" - is known for saying she would carry a gun to Congress and for her associations with the QAnon conspiracy movement, which alleges there is a global demonic pedophile ring that controls the US government and that only Donald Trump is fighting against it alongside a "white hat" deep state operative called "Q." The theory also alleges child cannibalism, the use of clones, and adherents look forward to an apocalyptic event called "The Storm" that they believe will include the mass trials and executions of Democratic lawmakers.

                            When asked what she thought about it, she said she was not a follower of the movement but that she hoped "it was true" that people were investigating the deep state allegations made by the conspiracy theory.

                            The Daily Sentinel also interviewed Democratic lawmaker Jason Crow, who was also critical of Ms Boebert.

                            “Lauren Boebert is a fool,” he said. “She has no place in the Capitol.”

                            Ms Boebert also blocked a columnist at Colorado Newsline on Twitter who wrote a scathing column about her following the events of the insurrection.

                            The columnist, Trish Zornio, claimed Ms Boebert was defying the First Amendment by blocking a journalist from accessing information she was putting out into the public.

                            "It would seem that regardless of political stripes, one thing is for certain: In less than one week on the job, Boebert has managed to likely subvert both the First and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution," Ms Zornio wrote. "It’s an infamous legacy, and one that has more than earned her resignation or expulsion."
                            Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value


                            • Frankly I hadn't paid much attention to the details of this QAnon nonsense till now. After Jan 6th I did. I searched for twitter handles spreading the conspiracy theories and people following (and believing it) it. Also looked for Youtube channels involved in it. I am stunned by both the utter insanity of the content itself and the numbers and types of people who fully believe it. I really thought it was mostly limited to the anti-government armed-milita types and white-supremacists but that doesn't seem to be the case. It is astonishing how seemingly normal people are absolutely convinced that not just the US but pretty much the whole world is ruled by a cabal of pedophiles who control all media and levers of power and Donald Trump is the messiah who is working to expose and destroy them. Worst part is, they still believe in it. Even Trump's two speeches effectively conceding the election haven't done anything to them. It is all part of the plan apparently and Trump is working behind the scenes with the military to arrest and defeat all of them. They still think the final act is imminent and there is no chance of Biden actually becoming president. Worst part is this has already spread to other parts of the world and is not limited to the US anymore. Much like a virus escaping containment.

                              Their whole world is going to come crashing down on Jan 20th and I shudder to think what some of them might do when that happens. They of course believe exactly this of the rest of us who according to them have no clue as to what is "really going on".

                              But then I guess the human mind has always been particularly susceptible to mass delusion. The crazier the better. That's how billions of people can believe in the unerring truth and divinity of some or the other religious texts written thousands of years ago, sometimes halfway across the world and live their whole lives by it. Can't be a coincidence that most of the people I saw spouting and believing this nonsense seemed extremely religious, convinced that the Democrats and other villains of their story were in the service of the devil and that god would win in the end (literally what they believe, not making this up).
                              Last edited by Firestorm; 13 Jan 21,, 03:13.


                              • If you can't distinguish between QAnon and the world's major religions, you're missing out on a pretty big chunk of the human experience. Major global religions have lasted for millennia, and their endurance makes the ties that bind geopolitical entities look frail.
                                "The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck