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  • Longtime Trump Confidant Told Special Counsel Jack Smith the Ex-President Was ‘Just Not Interested’ in Stopping Jan. 6 Riot



    A new report has revealed previously undisclosed details about Donald Trump’s inner circle and how they tried to get the former president to call off his rioting supporters on January 6th.

    ABC News, on Sunday morning, reported that Special Counsel Jack Smith’s team interviewed Dan Scavino — the former Trump White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Communications, after his executive privilege claims were overruled last year. The report described key details offered by Scavino, former Trump aide Nick Luna, and others who were close to Trump that day and are now being legally compelled to comply with Smith despite any previous claims of executive privilege.

    Previous reports about the storming of the U.S. Capitol have noted that Trump refused to quell his rioting supporters even when his aides urged him to do so.

    “According to what sources said Scavino told Smith’s team, Trump was ‘very angry’ that day,” ABC reported. “Not angry at what his supporters were doing to a pillar of American democracy, but steaming that the election was allegedly stolen from him and his supporters, who were ‘angry on his behalf.’ Scavino described it all as ‘very unsettling,’ sources said.”

    Scavino — who has worked for Trump for the past three decades — was the only other person who had access to Trump’s Twitter account at the time. As such, ABC reported that when Trump blasted former Vice President Mike Pence for refusing to go along with his scheme to throw out the 2020 election results, White House staffers confronted Scavino “demanding to know why he would post that in the midst of such a precarious situation.”

    From the report:
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    Scavino said he was as blindsided by the post as they were, insisting to them, “I didn’t do it,” according to the sources.

    Some of Trump’s aides then returned to the dining room to explain to Trump that a public attack on Pence was “not what we need,” as Scavino put it to Smith’s team. “But it’s true,” Trump responded, sources told ABC News. Trump has publicly echoed that sentiment since then.

    At about the same time Trump’s aides were again pushing him to do more, a White House security official heard reports over police radio that indicated Pence’s security detail believed “this was about to get very ugly,” according to the House committee’s report.

    As Trump aide Luna recalled, according to sources, Trump didn’t seem to care that Pence had to be moved to a secure location. Trump showed he was “capable of allowing harm to come to one of his closest allies” at the time, Luna told investigators, the sources said.



    More than half an hour later, Trump allowed Scacvino to tweet a message he wrote telling the rioters to “stay peaceful,” but aides reportedly kept pressing for more to be done. And Scavino confirmed that Trump had other concerns than stopping the riot.
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    Trump listened to the pleas, “but he was just not interested at that moment to put anything out,” Scavino told Smith’s team, according to the sources. Instead, Trump was focused on watching TV and taking in the chaotic scenes, Scavino said, the sources added.



    The conversation between Scavino and Smith’s team went on with him reportedly being yet another Trump official who saw no evidence of mass fraud that corrupted the results of the election.
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    Trump aide Nick Luna told Mr Smith’s team about the moment Mr Trump was informed that Vice President Mike Pence had to be moved to a secure location, ABC News reported. The then-president allegedly responded, “So what?”

    Just when I thought I couldn't get any sicker over Jan 6....
    “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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    • And yet if it was his sorry ass that had to be whisked away to safety? He'd have the entire United States military going to Defcom 2.
      Last edited by Monash; 08 Jan 24,, 22:17.
      If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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      • Ray Epps, a target of Jan. 6 conspiracy theories, gets a year of probation for his Capitol riot role


        This image from video provided by the Justice Department and contained in the government's sentencing memorandum, shows Ray Epps, left, at the U.S. Capitol, Jan. 6, 2021 in Washington. Epps, a former Arizona resident who was targeted by right-wing conspiracy theories about the U.S. Capitol riot, was sentenced on Tuesday to a year of probation for joining the Jan. 6, 2021 attack by a mob of fellow Donald Trump supporters. (Justice Department via AP)

        WASHINGTON (AP) — A man targeted by right-wing conspiracy theories about the U.S. Capitol riot was sentenced on Tuesday to a year of probation for joining the Jan. 6, 2021, attack by a mob of fellow Donald Trump supporters.

        Ray Epps, a former Arizona resident who was driven into hiding by death threats, pleaded guilty in September to a misdemeanor charge. He received no jail time, and there were no restrictions placed on his travel during his probation, but he will have to serve 100 hours of community service.

        He appeared remotely by video conference and wasn't in the Washington, D.C., courtroom when Chief Judge James Boasberg sentenced him. Prosecutors had recommended a six-month term of imprisonment for Epps.

        Epps' sentencing took place in the same building where Trump was attending an appeals court hearing as the Republican former president's lawyers argued he's immune from prosecution on charges he plotted to overturn the results of the 2020 election he lost.

        Fox News Channel and other right-wing media outlets amplified conspiracy theories that Epps, 62, was an undercover government agent who helped incite the Capitol attack to entrap Trump supporters. Epps filed a defamation lawsuit against Fox News last year, saying the network was to blame for spreading baseless claims about him.

        Epps told the judge that he now knows that he never should have believed the lies about a stolen election that Trump and his allies told and that Fox News broadcast.

        “I have learned that truth is not always found in the places that I used to trust,” said Epps, who asked for mercy before learning his sentence.

        The judge noted that many conspiracy theorists still refuse to believe that the Capitol riot was an insurrection carried out by Trump supporters.

        The judge said he hopes that the threats against Epps and his wife subside so they can move on with their lives.

        “You were hounded out of your home," the judge said. “You were hounded out of your town.”

        Federal prosecutors have backed up Epps’ vehement denials that he was a government plant or FBI operative. They say Epps has never been a government employee or agent beyond serving in the U.S. Marines from 1979 to 1983.

        The ordeal has forced Epps and his wife to sell their property and businesses and flee their home in Queen Creek, Arizona, according to his lawyer.

        “He enjoys no golf, tennis, travel, or other trappings of retirement. They live in a trailer in the woods, away from their family, friends, and community,” attorney Edward Ungvarsky wrote in a court filing.

        The internet-fueled accusations that upended Epps' life have persisted even after the Justice Department charged him with participating in the Jan. 6 siege.

        “Fear of demented extremists has no apparent end in sight so long as those who spread hate and lies about Mr. Epps don’t speak loudly and publicly to correct the messaging they delivered,” Epps' lawyer wrote.

        Epps pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct on restricted grounds, a charge punishable by a maximum of one year behind bars.

        A prosecutor, Michael Gordon, said Epps doesn't deserve to be inundated with death threats but should serve jail time for his conduct on Jan. 6.

        “He didn't start the riot. He made it worse.” Gordon told the judge.

        Epps' lawyer sought six months of probation without any jail time. Ungvarsky says his client went to Washington on Jan. 6 to peacefully protest the certification of the Electoral College vote for Joe Biden, a Democrat, over Trump, a Republican.

        “You're never going to see Mr. Epps commit a crime again,” the defense attorney said.

        Prosecutors say Epps encouraged the mob to storm the Capitol, helped other rioters push a large metal-framed sign into a group of officers and participated in “a rugby scrum-like group effort” to push past a line of police officers.

        “Even if Epps did not physically touch law enforcement officers or go inside of the building, he undoubtedly engaged in collective aggressive conduct,” Gordon, an assistant U.S. attorney, wrote in a court filing.

        Epps surrendered to the FBI two days after the riot after learning that agents were trying to identify him. He agreed to be interviewed by FBI agents as well as by the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 insurrection.

        The government initially declined to prosecute Epps in 2021 after the FBI investigated his conduct on Jan. 6 and found insufficient evidence to charge him with a crime, according to Ungvarsky. Epps isn't accused of entering the Capitol or engaging in any violence or destruction on Jan. 6.

        “Mr. Epps was one of many who trespassed outside the Capitol building. Through the exercise of prosecutorial discretion, most of those persons will never be charged,” the defense lawyer wrote.

        More than 1,200 defendants have been charged with Capitol riot-related federal crimes. Over 900 of them have pleaded guilty or been convicted after trials decided by a judge or jury. Approximately 750 rioters have been sentenced, with nearly two-thirds getting some term of imprisonment.

        Epps once served as an Arizona chapter leader for the Oath Keepers, but he parted ways with the anti-government extremist group a few years before the Jan. 6 attack.

        Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and other members were convicted of seditious conspiracy for plotting to stop the peaceful transfer of presidential power from Trump to Biden after the 2020 election. Rhodes was sentenced last year to 18 years in prison.

        Fox News hasn't responded to messages from The Associated Press seeking comment on Epps' lawsuit.
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        Cue the howls of outrage from Cult45: "SEE?? No jail time, that PROVES he was a Fed all along!!"
        “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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        • Montana fire chief is charged in Jan. 6 riot and accused of spraying officers in the face

          WASHINGTON — A fire chief in Montana was arrested Wednesday in connection with the Jan. 6 attack, accused of shooting chemical spray "directly into the face" of a Capitol Police officer and at the face of a Washington, D.C., police officer.

          Frank Dahlquist — who was previously a firefighter in Washington state and advocated against vaccination mandates — faces numerous charges, including assault and obstruction of law enforcement during civil disorder. He is the chief of West Valley Fire Rescue in Montana and was sworn into that role in November 2022.

          Dahlquist was identified with the help of online sleuths — or "sedition hunters" — who have aided in the arrests of hundreds of Capitol rioters. They had dubbed him #GreyScaleSprayer, and they surfaced a high-quality photo of him from Jan. 6, 2021, that led to a facial recognition match to a 2022 news story featuring a video interview with Dahlquist.

          The FBI also had two of Dahlquist's supervisors from his job in Washington identify him in August 2022, according to an FBI affidavit, and found that his cellphone number pinged in the vicinity of the Capitol on Jan. 6.


          Frank Dahlquist at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

          The FBI affidavit alleges that Dahlquist had his face partly covered when he attacked officers with an orange chemical spray and that both officers sought medical attention. They say Dahlquist even tried — unsuccessfully — to toss a piece of lumber in the direction of law enforcement officers when the mob moved closer to the Capitol. The FBI said he then entered the building, stayed on the grounds after he left the Capitol and "continued to engage with law enforcement."

          "It was a great day!! It got spicy but I love the taste of Freedom," Dahlquist wrote in a text message after the attack, according to the FBI.


          Frank Dahlquist at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

          The arrest was first reported by Seamus Hughes of Court Watch, a website that tracks federal court filings. Dahlquist did not immediately respond to a request for comment from NBC News on Wednesday.

          More than 1,200 people have been arrested in connection with the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, and online sleuths have identified hundreds of addition suspects who have not yet been arrested. Nearly 900 people have been convicted so far.
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          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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          • Maryland elections official quits after being hit with Jan. 6 charges



            Carlos Ayala, a Republican member of the Maryland State Board of Elections, resigned from his post Thursday after the FBI arrested him on Tuesday on charges related to participating in the riot at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

            Maryland State Elections Board Chair Michael Summers confirmed the resignation in a statement Thursday, The Associated Press reported.

            “The board is committed to maintaining the security and integrity of our elections in Maryland in a non-partisan manner,” Summers said. “The State Board will remain steadfast in our mission to oversee our elections process and serve as a trusted source of information for all Marylanders during the presidential election year.”

            Ayala’s attorney, James Trusty, declined to comment to the AP.

            Ayala was arrested on Tuesday and charged with civil disorder, a felony, and related misdemeanor offenses.

            In court documents, prosecutors allege Ayala was identified among a group of rioters illegally gathered on restricted Capitol grounds near scaffolding set up for the upcoming inauguration. He can be seen in video footage climbing over police barricades and moving toward the front of the crowd gathered by the Senate Wing door of the Capitol, according to the Justice Department (DOJ).

            He can then allegedly be seen inside a window near the Senate Wing Door using CCTV footage from within the Capitol building. The DOJ said he was holding “a distinctive black and white flag affixed to a PVC pipe flagpole bearing the words ‘We the People’ and ‘DEFEND.’ Featured prominently on the flag was an image of an M-16-style rifle.”

            The DOJ alleges an unidentified rioter was later seen in “the same area where Ayala was present, jabbing a flag and flagpole at a USCP officer.” Ayala could not be identified on CCTV footage at that time, however, according to the department.

            Ayala was appointed to the Maryland State Board of Elections last year by Gov. Wes Moore (D) after the Republican Party recommended him. Moore was required by law to nominate at least two Republicans to the five-person board.

            More than 1,265 people have been charged in connection to the riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6, the DOJ said.
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            James Trusty? Where have I heard that name before? Oh yeah: Trump lawyer who bailed on documents case says in separate lawsuit he is withdrawing due to ‘irreconcilable differences’

            “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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            • James Trusty? Where have I heard that name before? Oh yeah: Trump lawyer who bailed on documents case says in separate lawsuit he is withdrawing due to ‘irreconcilable differences’


              It's a circular firing squad!
              “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
              Mark Twain

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              • Pennsylvania man arrested for Jan. 6 riot, allegedly hung stolen Capitol sign in bar




                (WHTM) – A Berks County man has been arrested in connection to the January 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol for allegedly entering the Capitol and stealing a police sign that was later hung up in a bar.

                According to the Department of Justice, Ian MacBride of Douglassville with felony obstruction of an official proceeding and multiple misdemeanors, including disorderly conduct in a Capitol building and theft of government property for allegedly stealing an “Area Closed” sign that was later hung up at a bar.

                As outlined by the Department of Justice, MacBride was identified in and around the Capitol building and “scaled the Northwest Stairs” around 2:17 p.m. Images appear to show MacBride entering the Capitol through the Senate Wind door at about 2:18 p.m., about five minutes after the initial breach.

                The Department of Justice says MacBride walked into a large room known as the Crypt “where he joined other rioters amassing against a thin line of USCP officers blocking the crowd from breaching further into the Capitol.”

                At 2:25 p.m. the rioters overran the police line and accessed the Memorial Door staircase leading to the second floor where the House and Senate Chambers are located. After being led east to the Memorial Doors, MacBride exited the Capitol at approximately 2:39 p.m., according to the Justice Department.

                Court documents state that MacBride allegedly stole a U.S. Capitol Police sign that said “Area Closed” and then posted a picture on social media saying “Hung my Capitol battle flags and ill gotten ‘Area Closed’ sign up in my bar tonight.”

                Images from the Department of Justice appear to show MacBride carrying the Trump 2020 and a green “Kekistan” flag, which the Department of Justice says is an alt-right symbol, near the Capitol.
                • Courtesy U.S. Department of Justice
                • Courtesy U.S. Department of Justice

                In another social media post, the Department of Justice says MacBride wrote “They let us in. It was a set-up” The North side of the Capitall was a total s*** show. We were peacefully demonstrating, and the Capital Police started firing upon us… flashbangs, tear gas, mace and rubber bullets. They antagonized and riled us up, then opened up the barricades and stood to side, letting us flow up the remainder of the steps and into the building. After they let a certain amount of people flow in, the door was forced closed and barricaded.”

                Additional social media posts on the forum “Patriots.Win” that he was “coming to DC on the 6th” and that there were “6 buses full of Patriots coming in hot! Let’s do this!”

                Leading up to the rally, the Department of Justice says MacBride posted on social media “So enlighten us. What are we going to do on the 6th to change the outcome of this? Are you coming in hot, guns blazing? If not, you’re not doing shit and you’re stuck relying on Pence” and later commented on a later-deleted post ” We will literally drag them out of the Capitol and shove broom sticks up their a****. Don’t F****** push us.”

                On January 7 the Justice Department says MacBride wrote on the social media forum “Donald.Win” that “I don’t regret my part in occupying the building” and “The people who work there are NOT our masters. They work for us, and they need to be reminded of it.”

                The Department of Justice says a search warrant shows a mobile device belonging to MacBride was pinged near and around the Capitol.

                This case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the Department of Justice National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section.

                Since Jan. 6, 2021, the Justice Department says more than 1,265 individuals have been charged for crimes related to January 6.
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                “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                • A Proud Boys member who wielded an axe handle during the Capitol riot gets over 4 years in prison


                  This image from the U.S. Capitol Police security video shows William Chrestman, circled in annotation by the Justice Department in the Motion for Emergency Stay and for Review of Release Order, in a tunnel underneath the U.S. Capitol on Jan 6. 2021, in Washington. Christian has been sentenced to more than four years in prison for his role in a mob's attack on the U.S. Capitol by U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly on Friday, Jan. 11, 2024.

                  A jailed member of the Proud Boys extremist group was sentenced on Friday to more than four years in prison for his role in a mob's attack on the U.S. Capitol three years ago, court records show.

                  William Chrestman, a U.S. Army veteran from Olathe, Kansas, brandished an axe handle and threated police with violence after leading other Proud Boys members to the perimeter of the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

                  Chrestman pleaded guilty in October to obstructing the Jan. 6 joint session of Congress for certifying the Electoral College vote. He also pleaded guilty to a second felony count of threatening to assault a federal officer during the Capitol riot.

                  U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly sentenced Chrestman to four years and seven months in prison, according to court records.

                  Prosecutors had recommended a prison sentence of five years and three months, arguing that he “played a significant role during the riot due to his presence and conduct at pivotal moments during the day.”

                  “Indeed, Chrestman regularly presented himself as a leader among the rioters including when he was part of the tip of the spear that created the breach at the Peace Circle, encouraged other rioters to move to the police barricades, told rioters to stop the arrest of a rioter, and thanked them for supporting the Proud Boys,” prosecutors wrote.

                  Chrestman has been jailed since his arrest in February 2021. He'll get credit for the nearly three years he already has served in custody.

                  Defense attorney Michael Cronkright argued that Chrestman never used his axe handle “to do anything remotely violent” on Jan. 6.

                  “To date, the worst thing that the government has asserted is that he used it to touch a security gate that was already going up,” Cronkright wrote.

                  Chrestman also had a gas mask, a helmet and other tactical gear when he traveled to Washington with other Proud Boys members from the Kansas City, Kansas, area. On Jan. 6, he marched to the Capitol grounds with dozens of other Proud Boys leaders, members and associates.

                  Chrestman and other Proud Boys moved past a toppled metal barricade and joined other rioters in front of another police barrier. He shouted a threat at officers and yelled at others in the crowd to stop police from arresting another rioter, according to prosecutors.

                  Facing the crowd, Chrestman shouted, “Whose house is this?”

                  “Our house!” the crowd replied.

                  “Do you want your house back?” Chrestman asked.

                  “Yes!” the crowd responded.

                  “Take it!” Chrestman yelled.

                  Chrestman also pointed his finger at a line of Capitol police officers, gestured at them with his axe handle and threatened to assault them if they fired “pepper ball” rounds at the crowd of rioters, according to a court filing accompanying his guilty plea.

                  Also on Friday, a man who briefly ran an unsuccessful campaign for governor of Oregon after storming the Capitol was sentenced to nearly four years in prison. Reed Knox Christensen, 65, charged at a group of police officers outside the Capitol and assaulted five of them before rioters breached the police line, prosecutors said.

                  Christensen captured less than 1% of the votes cast in Oregon's May 2022 Republican primary for the governor's race. Prosecutors said he used the campaign “to obtain free publicity and brag about his participation in the riot."

                  Christensen also wrote a self-published book about his “experiences prior to and including January 6,” according to his attorney, Troy Nixon.

                  U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth sentenced Christensen, an engineer from Hillsboro, Oregon, to three years and 10 months in prison, court records show.

                  More than 1,200 people have been charged with Capitol riot-related federal crimes. About 900 of them have pleaded guilty or been convicted after trials decided by a jury or judge. Over 750 of them have been sentenced, with nearly 500 receiving some term of imprisonment, according to data compiled by The Associated Press.

                  Dozens of Proud Boys leaders, members and associates have been arrested on Jan. 6 charges. The group's former national chairman, Enrique Tarrio, was sentenced to 22 years in prison — the longest for a Capitol riot case so far. A jury convicted Tarrio and three lieutenants of seditious conspiracy charges for a failed plot to keep Donald Trump in power after the Republican lost the 2020 election.
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                  “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                  • Interesting insight into the mentality of some (I hope for the sake of America not all) Jan 6th conspiracy believers via an exchange on another forum. So I get into a debate with someone who claims the storming of the Capital building was, and I quote 'an inside job'.

                    Me: So your claiming it was a conspiracy?'
                    Him: No, it's not a conspiracy, its an inside job, they're not the same thing.
                    Me: If it involves more than one person they ARE the same thing - eventually providing dictionary definitions for both a conspiracy and an 'inside job' by way of proof.
                    Him: Repeated denials that they are the same.
                    Me: (After much backwards and forwards and in frustration) OK then explain to me why they are not the same?
                    Him; They're not the same because the Police opened the (main) doors to the Capital Building and let/invited the rioters in. The cops were inside so that makes it an inside job!
                    Me; ...................

                    And the reason he knows this is true? His former career was as a doorman/bouncer/concierge therefore he 'knows' the rules relating to granting or denying access to a venue.
                    Last edited by Monash; 13 Jan 24,, 11:44.
                    If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                    • If I am going to destroy brain cells, I rather do it via scotch.
                      Chimo

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                      • Originally posted by Monash View Post
                        Interesting insight into the mentality of some (I hope for the sake of America not all) Jan 6th conspiracy believers via an exchange on another forum. So I get into a debate with someone who claims the storming of the Capital building was, and I quote 'an inside job'.
                        Cult45 is going to twist and squirm and make every excuse in the world to shift the blame away from Trump and the mob that he summoned and unleashed.

                        Even right-wingers/conservatives that aren't necessarily pro-Trump will try to find some kind of exculpatory minutia to latch onto. Cognitive dissonance is a real bitch and a half.

                        When all else fails, they usually point to riots of 2020 as being totally equivalent.

                        Originally posted by Monash View Post
                        And the reason he knows this is true? His former career was as a doorman/bouncer/concierge therefore he 'knows' the rules relating to granting or denying access to a venue.
                        "And you see those two (the Capitol Building and your local bar) as being sufficiently equivalent to make that kind of judgement call?"

                        Sounds like when I engage Moon Hoaxers for some amusement. My go-to response to crap like this is "Your lack of understanding of science is not an argument against it."
                        “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                        • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          If I am going to destroy brain cells, I rather do it via scotch.
                          Ditto
                          If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                          • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                            If I am going to destroy brain cells, I rather do it via scotch.
                            Agreed. If they are going to die it will be at the hands of a fine single malt.
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                            • Originally posted by Bigfella View Post

                              Agreed. If they are going to die it will be at the hands of a fine single malt.

                              What the hell did you think I drank after that TED talk worthy intellectual exchange?
                              If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                              • Originally posted by Monash View Post


                                What the hell did you think I drank after that TED talk worthy intellectual exchange?
                                I would have gone with "quite literally anything with alcohol in order of how quickly you could find it".

                                I worked out a while ago that some people simply cannot be engaged, so I generally don't bother with them. You must have more patience than me.....or maybe more alcohol.
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