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  • TopHatter
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    DHS Whistleblower: Trump Team Wanted Us to Lie About Russia, the Border, and White Supremacy
    A Department of Homeland Security whistleblower leveled a series of bombshell accusations Sunday in his first television interview, accusing his Trump administration superiors of pressing for manipulated intelligence on three critical subjects: Russian support for Donald Trump, the Mexican border, and the white supremacist threat inside the United States.

    Brian Murphy, the former principal deputy undersecretary in DHS’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis, filed a whistleblower complaint last year — as well as a handful of internal complaints and reports — that all painted a frightening picture of how things were running in the department tasked with keeping Americans safe. “From the outset, there were three things that I was told that we would look to manipulate intelligence on and bend the truth about,” Murphy told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s This Week. “And I told them upfront that I wasn’t going to do it.”

    On Russia, the border, and white supremacy, Murphy said he felt “intense pressure to try to take intelligence and fit a political narrative” — accusing administration officials of demanding information be manipulated to burnish Trump’s image and help his messaging

    In the lead-up to the 2020 presidential election, Russian President Vladimir Putin approved efforts to denigrate Democratic candidates in order to benefit Trump, an intelligence community report from March found. Putin also authorized a campaign “undermining public confidence in the electoral process and exacerbating socio-political divisions in the U.S” — something that Trump and some of his closest allies readily embraced during and after the election by making repeated false claims of fraud.

    In regards to the southern border, the former FBI agent alleged, the DHS took a similar approach: fabricating a terrorist threat and misleading Congress to improve the political conditions for Trump’s coveted border wall.

    The pattern repeated when it came to white supremacists, particularly after white supremacists killed a counter protester, Heather Heyer, at a right-wing rally in Charlottesville in 2017. “After Charlottesville, it became a third-rail issue…within the department to talk about white supremacy in any meaningful way,” Murphy said.

    In his whistleblower complaint, Murphy wrote that senior official Ken Cuccinelli demanded that he “modify the section on White Supremacy in a manner that made the threat appear less severe.” But Murphy says he refused, because doing so “would constitute censorship of analysis and the improper administration of an intelligence program.”

    Murphy’s reluctance to play along gave him a “target on his back,” he recalled.

    Former DHS director Chad Wolf accused him of having a credibility problem, and removed him from his position last August, citing claims that he violated legal requirements regarding the collection of information about journalists during riots in Portland, Oregon. Murphy denied those claims.
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    How utterly shocking....

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    BTW stating the Dems control congress and will not let any motions advance that would hurt Biden isn't moving the goal posts, its stating a fact.

    VOX1

    Wikileaks Claim, The Trump campaign did not publish wikileaks until after Wikileaks had already done its dump and made the info public domain.

    Page Papadopoulos... Misrepresenting that is what got an FBI lawyer charged and convicted, Page was a US asset.

    Manafort, his crimes are his own. He apparently tried to trade Trump campaign internal polling data to settle a debt. While this might have helped Russia, I don't know how that it could possibly helped Trump and regardless does not involved Trump.

    Moscow Hotel/ casono already attested too

    VOX2

    Trump's statement on Russia to find Hillary's emails was clearly a response to the FBI saying that Hillary had already wiped her emails. How could Russia find something that did not exist unless they already had them becuase HRC was using a private illegal server to transmit top secret info. Had Russia coughed up those emails, even the Clinton teflon coating would likely not have been enough to keep her from being charged.

    Don Jr looking for dirt on Hillary is not illegal nor is it collusion. If it was then the HRC16/DNC paying the Russians to manufacture dirt on Trump would well actually it is collusion. BTW, that Russian lawyer said it was about the Maginsky Act, and she met with the dude running Fusion GPS ie the HRC16 campaign before and after the meeting.

    Papadopoulos/Milfsud: if you can untangle that one go ahead. The FBI couldn't, Congress couldn't and now the dude is missing presumed deceased. The dude who started that ball rolling Alexander Downer had ties to Clinton so....

    From your link: Mueller concludes that he “did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,&#8221
    Back those goalposts up a few steps (again).

    This is what you said:

    Originally posted by zraver View Post

    Speaking of claims... What Trump family statements would support Russia Russia Russia. Trump was honest about his ties being limited to Miss Universe and a failed Hotel/Casino venture.
    And that's what I've (repeatedly) disproved. You of course want to move things to "Where are the formal charges and convictions in court."

    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    And for the 676th time, actually it does. Our legal system is innocent until proven guilty. The prosecution does not prove innocence, that is presumed. If the prosecution cannot prove the crime the default state is innocent. Nelson v Colorado Supreme Court Upholds Principle Of “Innocent Until Proven Guilty” - Institute for Justice (ij.org)
    Once again, we weren't talking about the legal system. I'm talking about reality. People do shit all the time but get off in court, not because they were innocent but because the prosecution fucked up the trial, or a witness suddenly and conveniently "forgot" their testimony.

    Besides, by your logic, Joe and Hunter Biden haven't been convicted for anything, therefore they're completely innocent and nothing actually happened.

    Bottom Line: The Trump Family's contacts and involvement with Russia are far greater than what Donald Trump has repeatedly claimed.

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  • zraver
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    BTW stating the Dems control congress and will not let any motions advance that would hurt Biden isn't moving the goal posts, its stating a fact.

    VOX1

    Wikileaks Claim, The Trump campaign did not publish wikileaks until after Wikileaks had already done its dump and made the info public domain.

    Page Papadopoulos... Misrepresenting that is what got an FBI lawyer charged and convicted, Page was a US asset.

    Manafort, his crimes are his own. He apparently tried to trade Trump campaign internal polling data to settle a debt. While this might have helped Russia, I don't know how that it could possibly helped Trump and regardless does not involved Trump.

    Moscow Hotel/ casono already attested too

    VOX2

    Trump's statement on Russia to find Hillary's emails was clearly a response to the FBI saying that Hillary had already wiped her emails. How could Russia find something that did not exist unless they already had them becuase HRC was using a private illegal server to transmit top secret info. Had Russia coughed up those emails, even the Clinton teflon coating would likely not have been enough to keep her from being charged.

    Don Jr looking for dirt on Hillary is not illegal nor is it collusion. If it was then the HRC16/DNC paying the Russians to manufacture dirt on Trump would well actually it is collusion. BTW, that Russian lawyer said it was about the Maginsky Act, and she met with the dude running Fusion GPS ie the HRC16 campaign before and after the meeting.

    Papadopoulos/Milfsud: if you can untangle that one go ahead. The FBI couldn't, Congress couldn't and now the dude is missing presumed deceased. The dude who started that ball rolling Alexander Downer had ties to Clinton so....

    From your link: Mueller concludes that he “did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,”

    And for the 676th time, actually it does. Our legal system is innocent until proven guilty. The prosecution does not prove innocence, that is presumed. If the prosecution cannot prove the crime the default state is innocent. Nelson v Colorado Supreme Court Upholds Principle Of “Innocent Until Proven Guilty” - Institute for Justice (ij.org)

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    The nyt articles are behind a pay wall.
    I'd post the articles in full if I thought you actually cared. But, you don't. So I won't bother.

    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    The Eric Trump story is a third party claim.
    According to Eric Trump it's not true. And according to Don Jr, it's completely true. But I understand that you have to conveniently ignore that part.

    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    So Trump met Putin once (Trump's claim) or never (Putin's claim).
    Guess you missed the part where Trump lied, then lied again, then lied some more, and then lied again, constantly changing his story, thus establishing his utter lack of credibility for telling the truth about Russia.

    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    VOX lists all the charges from Mueller zero Trump/ Russia
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...nts-grand-jury
    Wasn't planning to use Vox as a source, but seeing as how you apparently don't mind them:

    There’s actually lots of evidence of Trump-Russia collusion
    The untenability of the “no collusion” talking point.


    The Mueller report’s collusion section is much worse than you think
    The contacts with Russians documented in the report amount to a devastating indictment of Trump’s approach to politics.


    No paywall. Have at it and happy reading.

    And, for the 675th time, a lack of charges does not mean an event did not take place. But again, I understand that that's all you have to fall back on.

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  • zraver
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    The nyt articles are behind a pay wall. The Eric Trump story is a third party claim.

    So Trump met Putin once (Trump's claim) or never (Putin's claim).

    VOX lists all the charges from Mueller zero Trump/ Russia
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...nts-grand-jury

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    Like the Dems will let any such motion advance.
    Do those goalposts get any lighter as time goes by?

    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    Speaking of claims... What Trump family statements would support Russia Russia Russia. Trump was honest about his ties being limited to Miss Universe and a failed Hotel/Casino venture.
    I'm certain that you're not serious when you ask that question, mainly because you wouldn't give a fuck in the first place.. However, a simple Google search, that you're apparently incapable of performing, will answer your question.

    Odd that you claim that Trump was honest about his ties to Russia. I mean, are you seriously claiming that Trump was honest...about anything?

    Hey how about a compilation about all the times that has lied about knowing Putin?

    From 2017
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Had Presidents Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin ever met before Friday’s highly anticipated encounter on the sidelines of an international summit in Germany?

    Both men now say the answer is no.

    But that wasn’t always the case for Trump.

    Trump has offered contradictory descriptions regarding his relationship and contact with the Russian leader. A look back at some of Trump’s words on the subject:

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    Trump was asked whether he had a relationship with Putin in a 2013 interview with NBC taped in Moscow ahead of that year’s Miss Universe pageant.

    “I do have a relationship, and I can tell you that he’s very interested in what we’re doing here today,” said Trump, who used to own the beauty contest. “He’s probably very interested in what you and I are saying today, and I’m sure he’s going to be seeing it in some form. But I do have a relationship with him.”

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    Late-night night host David Letterman asked Trump during a 2013 interview whether he had a relationship with Russia ahead of the Miss Universe pageant.

    “Well I’ve done a lot of business with the Russians,” Trump said, before being asked whether he’d met Putin personally.

    “He’s a tough guy. I met him once,” said Trump.

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    During a May, 2014 speech in front of the National Press Club, Trump described having been in Moscow recently, “and I spoke indirectly and directly with President Putin, who could not have been nicer.”

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    In a 2015 interview with conservative talk-radio host Michael Savage, Trump was asked again point-blank whether he’d ever met Putin.

    “Yes,” Trump said. “One time, yes. Long time ago.”

    “Got along with him great, by the way,” Trump added.

    Trump said he’d met numerous Russian leaders when he’d been in Moscow for the pageant.

    “I got to know so many of the Russian leaders and the top, top people in Russia,” he said.

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    Trump’s story began to change during the campaign. At a Republican primary debate in November 2015, Trump said he’d gotten to know Putin “very well” during a joint television appearance.

    “I got to know him very well because we were both on “60 Minutes;” we were stablemates,” Trump said, adding that they’d done “very well that night.”

    Trump and Putin had appeared on the same episode of the news program, but Trump’s segment had been taped in New York; Putin’s in Russia.

    ___

    By 2016, Trump’s story had changed completely. At a July, 2016 press conference, at the height of the general election campaign, Trump denied ever having met the Russian leader.

    “I never met Putin, I don’t know who Putin is,” he told reporters in Florida. “He said one nice thing about me. He said I’m a genius. I said, ‘Thank you very much’ to the newspaper, and that was the end of it. I never met Putin.”

    “Never spoken to him. I don’t know anything about him other than he will respect me,” Trump added.

    ___

    The story became even more confusing when ABC’s George Stephanopoulos tried to make sense of Trump’s contradictory statements, in a July 2016 interview on ABC’s “This Week.”

    “I have no relationship with him. I don’t — I’ve never met him,” Trump said. Asked why he’d said otherwise, Trump said it was because Putin had “said nice things about me over the years.”

    But Stephanopoulos kept on pressing, leading to the following exchange:

    STEPHANOPOULOS: “Yet you said for three years, ’13, ‘14 and ’15, that you did have a relationship with him.”

    TRUMP: “No, look, what — what do you call a relationship? I mean he treats me...”

    STEPHANOPOULOS: “I’m asking you.”

    TRUMP: “with great respect. I have no relationship with Putin. I don’t think I’ve ever met him. I never met him. I don’t think I’ve ever met him.”

    STEPHANOPOULOS: “You would know if you did.”

    TRUMP: “I think so.”

    STEPHANOPOULOS: “I mean if he...”

    TRUMP: “Yes, I think so. So I’ve — I don’t think I’ve ever met him. I mean if he’s in the same room or something. But I don’t think so.”

    ....

    STEPHANOPOULOS: “I just want to clear this up, because you did say on three different occasions you had a relationship with him. Now you say there is not.”

    TRUMP: “Well, I don’t know what it means by having a relationship. I mean he was saying very good things about me, but I don’t have a relationship with him. I didn’t meet him. I haven’t spent time with him. I didn’t have dinner with him. I didn’t go hiking with him. I don’t know — and I wouldn’t know him from Adam except I see his picture and I would know what he looks like.”

    ___

    Putin has denied meeting Trump.

    “We didn’t have any relationship at all,” he told NBC’s Megyn Kelly in a June interview through a translator. “There was a time when he used to come to Moscow. But you know, I never met with him.”

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    Then of course there's Trump's constant lies about his business ties with Russia:

    1. July 26, 2016: "I mean, I have nothing to do with Russia. I don't have any jobs in Russia. I'm all over the world but we're not involved in Russia," Trump tells CBS4.

    2. July 26, 2016: "For the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia," Trump tweets.

    3. Oct. 6, 2016: During the second presidential debate, Hillary Clinton says Russia is trying to help elect Trump, "maybe because he wants to do business in Moscow." Trump calls this assessment "so ridiculous," adding, "I know nothing about Russia ... I don't deal there."

    4. Oct. 24, 2016: "I have nothing to do with Russia folks, I'll give you a written statement," Trump says at a campaign rally.

    5. Jan. 11, 2017: Trump tells reporters that he has "no deals that could happen in Russia because we've stayed away," adding that he could "make deals in Russia very easily" but "I just don't want to because I think that would be a conflict."

    6. Jan. 11, 2017: "Russia has never tried to use leverage over me. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!," Trump tweets.

    7. Feb. 7, 2017: Trump tweets, "I don't know Putin, have no deals in Russia, and the haters are going crazy."

    8. May 11, 2017: Trump tells NBC News that he has "nothing to do with Russia," other than the fact that he "sold a house to a very wealthy Russian many years ago" and hosted the Miss Universe pageant there once.

    Uday and Qusay of course have completely undercut these blatantly obvious lies from Daddy in the past:

    ‘Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.’” Eric Trump 2014

    The family genius of course realizes how bad this sounds, given Daddy's denial of involvement with Russia and denies the whole thing in 2017. Guess he forgot what the other family genius said a few years prior: "In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets...We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia." Donald Trump Jr 2008

    The Mueller Report delved quite deeply into Trump's involvement with Russia. Mueller Report Shows Depth of Connections Between Trump Campaign and Russians

    But, because you'll dismiss Mueller as a Communist for daring to investigate your Dear Leader, let's ask the GOP instead: G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia

    So, what say we save ourselves all a lot of time and just jump right to the part were you dgaf?

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  • zraver
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    Like the Dems will let any such motion advance.

    Speaking of claims... What Trump family statements would support Russia Russia Russia. Trump was honest about his ties being limited to Miss Universe and a failed Hotel/Casino venture.

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    I did not know no one else knew how to Google. Hunter Milano White House.... It is literally the first result
    Eh, that doesn't really answer the question: Why didn't you post that link the first place?

    You made the claim.

    You were asked for a source, because that's kinda how we've rolled here on the WAB since...2000-always

    You responded with something else entirely.

    Surely posting the correct link isn't that difficult for you.

    And literally the first Google result for me is a New York Post article. The Politico article is 5th down. Because Google searches are going to turn up in a different order for different people due to a number of variables. I did not know no else knew how Google works.

    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    The lack of email chain denial from Hunter and confirming the fact that the dinner occurred would lend credence. Its a far more substantial link than the Alpha Bank Server or anything cooked up by Steele.
    Interesting standard of evidence you'd got there but ok...

    I never really paid attention to Steele. Mostly I just listened to the Trump family brag about their contacts with Russia. They're so fucking stupid that they can't keep their lies straight amongst themselves. Trump of course can't even keep his lies straight with himself.

    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    Just pointing out that all the high minded moralistic talk was all fake ass partisan bullshit.
    Well if even the Republicans aren't going to do it, then why would you expect the Dems to bother?

    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    Ya'll elected a crook.

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  • zraver
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    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
    So why didn't you use this source in the first place?
    I did not know no one else knew how to Google. Hunter Milano White House.... It is literally the first result


    OK, so now we need to determine if Pozharskyi was actually there, beyond his own claim. He certainly doesn't appear willing to talk much further about it.
    The lack of email chain denial from Hunter and confirming the fact that the dinner occurred would lend credence. Its a far more substantial link than the Alpha Bank Server or anything cooked up by Steele.


    I dunno, you tell me...where is the call for a Special Counsel? Any Republicans making the call? I mean, besides the usual MAGA illiteracy

    Just pointing out that all the high minded moralistic talk was all fake ass partisan bullshit. There won't be for the same reason Eric Swallwell is still given access to top secret committee assignments despite bang bang with Fang Fang. The only think faker than a $3 Bill is a Democrat.

    Oh, as an also.... Biden repeatedly denied helping with Hunter with his business deals. Well thanks to the laptop we have picks of Hunter and Joe with Hunter's Mexican partners, and of course Hunter's attempt to get Joe a key to an office at the Swedish Embassy to meet with his Chinese partners in secret. Hunter's sweet heart jobs with Amtrack, Burisma World Food Bank etc, he even admits he only got these jobs because of his name. The upcoming art sales. Plus Biden's other family members trying to cash in on the family name by offering access to the (then #2 man in the country).

    Dude and his family is as dirty as my truck after a weekend wheeling in the Ozarks. Ya'll elected a crook.

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  • TopHatter
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    So why didn't you use this source in the first place?

    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    The White House is conforming the dinner, denying Burisma's exec was there. However, the email from the Burisma exec says he was there.
    Asked for the book whether Joe Biden had an April 2015 encounter with Burisma adviser VADYM POZHARSKYI at a dinner at Cafe Milano, a White House spokesman did not respond directly. Instead, the spokesman referred to an April WaPo article that includes a campaign denial of any meeting.

    The article confirms Joe Biden’s presence at the dinner, while casting doubt on any Pozharskyi encounter there. Pozharskyi did not respond to requests for comment.
    OK, so now we need to determine if Pozharskyi was actually there, beyond his own claim. He certainly doesn't appear willing to talk much further about it.

    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    So where is the call for a Special Counsel?
    I dunno, you tell me...where is the call for a Special Counsel? Any Republicans making the call? I mean, besides the usual MAGA illiteracy

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  • zraver
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    The White House is conforming the dinner, denying Burisma's exec was there. However, the email from the Burisma exec says he was there.

    POLITICO Playbook: Double trouble for Biden - POLITICO

    WHAT DOES THE WHITE HOUSE HAVE TO SAY? Asked for the book whether Joe Biden had an April 2015 encounter with Burisma adviser VADYM POZHARSKYI at a dinner at Cafe Milano, a White House spokesman did not respond directly. Instead, the spokesman referred to an April WaPo article that includes a campaign denial of any meeting. The article confirms Joe Biden’s presence at the dinner, while casting doubt on any Pozharskyi encounter there. Pozharskyi did not respond to requests for comment.

    So where is the call for a Special Counsel?

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    The White House confirmed Biden had Dinner with Hunter and officials from Burisma.
    Originally posted by InExile View Post
    Do you have a source? I couldn't find anything with a search.
    Your source doesn't even have the words "White" or "House" in it, let alone anything about the White House confirming anything.

    Do you have a source that shows where the White House confirmed that Joe Biden had Dinner with Hunter and officials from Burisma?

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  • zraver
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    Originally posted by InExile View Post

    Do you have a source? I couldn't find anything with a search.
    Email reveals how Hunter Biden introduced Ukrainian biz man to dad (nypost.com)

    Anyhow, at worst the Burisma episode appears a case of nepotism and Hunter cashing in on his name. Where is the evidence that Biden's campaign to fire the prosecutor was due to any lobbying by Burisma?
    The Dinner was before the firing. So Hunter gets hired by Burisma, Hunter sets up dinner with Dad, Dad fires prosecutor looking into Bursima....

    The whole Russia, Russia, Russia collusion hoax was started on far less. For the FBI, a completely gunned up never happened meeting between minor campaign staffers and a 3rd party server were enough. Here we have the main players. Is he guilty? I dunno, but where is the Special Counsel?

    Tony Bobalinski doesn't appear a reliable source.
    Source for that?

    Okay, but that doesn't mean Giuliani and the laptop repair shop story is credible.
    Hunter Biden admits laptop 'certainly’ ‘could be’ his (msn.com)

    Again, any source that this meeting actually took place?
    See above.

    I am not alleging anything nefarious, just pointing out by thr standards that started Crossfire Hurricane and the Mueller Investigation, where is the push for a Special Counsel now?
    Last edited by zraver; Yesterday, 23:05.

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  • InExile
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    Originally posted by zraver View Post

    The White House confirmed Biden had Dinner with Hunter and officials from Burisma.
    Do you have a source? I couldn't find anything with a search.

    Anyhow, at worst the Burisma episode appears a case of nepotism and Hunter cashing in on his name. Where is the evidence that Biden's campaign to fire the prosecutor was due to any lobbying by Burisma?

    Originally posted by zraver View Post

    Tony Bobalinski said the Big Guy was Biden
    Tony Bobalinski doesn't appear a reliable source.

    Originally posted by zraver View Post

    Hunter list at least 1 other laptop that was seized by the FBI and admitted to not keeping track of things during his active addiction.
    Okay, but that doesn't mean Giuliani and the laptop repair shop story is credible.

    Originally posted by zraver View Post

    The key request so Biden could meet in private with Hunter's Chinese partner at the Swedish house was confirmed.

    But yeah..... Joe is squeaky clean.
    Again, any source that this meeting actually took place?

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  • Parihaka
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    The FBI have seized all of Epstein's digital data, but there's no investigation

    The FBI were in possession of Hunters laptop since December 2019, but allowed the Russian dis-info story to run instead

    The FBI knew the Alfa Bank story was bogus but concealed it

    The FBI knew that the dodgy dossier was Russian dis-info paid for and supplied to the Clinton campaign but used it anyway to procure FISA warrants.

    The FBI conceals and destroys evidence, it does not investigate.

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