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  • #76
    Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
    Taking a peak at the future for a moment, Jon Ossoff interests me. Young white, Southern, well spoken & with impeccable connections in the African American community. He will have served a full Senate term before he turns 40 and is in what will become a key battleground state.

    Assuming he doesn't turn out to be a total numpty once he gets to the Senate that sounds like the CV of a man who might end up as a VP pick or at the very least in a Presidential Primary. What do our American experts think?
    Well, don't know much about him but not quite ready to put him in the same category as a young JFK.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post

      Ok, and I thought that name was a typo as I was only aware of Dominion and Smartmatic. I did a search on that name and up pops this, as #1, concerning all three. HOLY SH!T, what kind of mind creates this stuff and seriously believes it?[/LIST]Obviously headlines360 news is way out there where I never venture but someone like surfgun did.

      While on that who the hell is retired 3 star Gen. McInerney? He seems more delusional than Trump. Martial law and mass arrests?

      You know if it weren't for social media and the internet these people and their beliefs would have no mass outlet. The more we head into this second decade I am starting to wish the more we were back before the internet became available to the general public. I can't see how any of this can ever be put back into the bottle but instead spread like a fungus.
      McInerney is the cocksucker who called John McCain "Songbird John".

      He is a disgrace to the uniform.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...n-john-mccain/
      “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
      Mark Twain

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

        McInerney is the cocksucker who called John McCain "Songbird John".

        He is a disgrace to the uniform.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...n-john-mccain/
        and he managed to get promoted up the line, as I don't believe his views, were not around while he was active for one second...

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        • #79
          Facebook has banned Trump for the next two weeks and is looking into maybe indefinitely. Zuckerberg has found balls?

          Facebook blocks Trump through end of presidency

          (CNN)Facebook will ban President Donald Trump's account from posting for at least the remainder of his term in office and perhaps "indefinitely," CEO Mark Zuckerberg said in a blog post on Thursday.


          "We believe the risks of allowing the President to continue to use our service during this period are simply too great," Zuckerberg wrote in the post. "Therefore, we are extending the block we have placed on his Facebook and Instagram accounts indefinitely and for at least the next two weeks until the peaceful transition of power is complete."

          The decision marks a major escalation by Facebook as it and other platforms have come under intense pressure from advocacy groups and prominent figures to ban Trump following his inflammatory rhetoric encouraging insurrection.

          Facebook and Twitter took the extraordinary step on Wednesday of temporarily locking President Donald Trump's account on their platforms after his supporters stormed the Capitol building to protest the election.

          If the latest restrictions hold, Facebook could be the first major platform to remove Trump permanently.

          Facebook's move now raises expectations for Twitter, known for being the president's preferred social media platform, to follow suit. Twitter has confirmed that Trump deleted several tweets in order to regain his tweeting privileges sometime on Thursday, though the company declined to say when precisely he would be able to tweet again.

          Twitter also said that "future violations... will result in permanent suspension of the @realDonaldTrump account."


          "There's this element of all the companies hand-wringing until one of them takes a step, and then in a few minutes, everyone does it," said Adam Sharp, Twitter's former head of news, government and elections. "Nobody wants to be the first, and they just take turns on who is going to be the first one to go that time around. Then they all 'Thelma and Louise' it and make the call."

          The underlying problem facing most tech platforms, he said, is that the gravity of Trump's misconduct goes far beyond the companies' efforts to build standardized systems for punishing misbehavior.

          In his blog post Thursday, Zuckerberg said Facebook had determined that Trump's recent posts were "likely" intended to escalate the violence rather than the opposite.
          Trump has shown he "intends to use his remaining time in office to undermine the peaceful and lawful transition of power to his elected successor, Joe Biden," Zuckerberg wrote.

          Facebook has already described the events surrounding Trump's posts this week as an emergency. Now, Zuckerberg has finally revealed where Facebook will draw the line for Trump — at nothing less than a deadly assault on Congress.
          https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/tech/...ons/index.html

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          • #80
            Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
            Facebook has banned Trump for the next two weeks and is looking into maybe indefinitely. Zuckerberg has found balls?

            Facebook blocks Trump through end of presidency



            https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/tech/...ons/index.html
            Nah, they know he's got 2 weeks left. He's outlived his usefulness. Same thing with Twitter.

            Yeah the MAGA invasion of the Capitol certainly helped make up their minds, but it's mostly just the two weeks left thing.
            Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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            • #81
              Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

              Nah, they know he's got 2 weeks left. He's outlived his usefulness. Same thing with Twitter.

              Yeah the MAGA invasion of the Capitol certainly helped make up their minds, but it's mostly just the two weeks left thing.
              Also I think Zuckie & the boys are seeing the knives are out for enablers...
              “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
              Mark Twain

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              • #82
                Sometimes I wonder about Alabama.

                As a Civil War historian I can assure you that Alabama is that effed up.
                “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                Mark Twain

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post

                  You know if it weren't for social media and the internet these people and their beliefs would have no mass outlet. The more we head into this second decade I am starting to wish the more we were back before the internet became available to the general public. I can't see how any of this can ever be put back into the bottle but instead spread like a fungus.
                  This x1000

                  I can't remember who said it, it might have been Frank Luntz, but they said social media is the poison of democracy. And once deep fake technology becomes more easy, it'll only get worse.

                  And even if someone said you have to mass regulate it... ACTUAL news organizations have been created to take advantage of it. How do you pull it back??

                  In my opinion, it was there during the Obama years, but it was pumped full of steroids when "alternative facts' became normalized the first day of the Trump presidency.

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                  • #84
                    Trump Cheered as He Calls Into RNC Meeting

                    President Trump “briefly called in to the Republican National Committee’s winter meeting Thursday morning — and received a loud and overwhelmingly enthusiastic reception when RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel put him on speakerphone,” the Washington Post reports.
                    ____________

                    They'll never abandon him. Oh a few here and there, sure. But the Republican Party is now the Party of Trump.

                    Not even inciting a seditious crowd to invade the Capitol will change that.
                    Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                    • #85
                      In trying to think of a way to combat Trumpism in general, we kinda labeled what it was earlier in the thread. But after this, do we consider recognizing it as an almost cold insurgency? Most of them didn't bring their guns yesterday, but we know they have them. And despite overwhelming Congressional condemnation and the chance to say 'this is too far for me, I can't support it anymore', there's no shame or remorse from those that did it, and those that support them. How does this not embolden them? Especially once the Biden presidency begins, with the Senate and House in Democratic control.

                      IMO, the time of 'truth always wins over lies' and they just need to be 'educated' has shown to be futile. Do you have to actively attempt to split it or actively try to divide it so it will turn on itself? Is that the only way to defeat it? Or am I overreacting?

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by statquo View Post
                        In trying to think of a way to combat Trumpism in general, we kinda labeled what it was earlier in the thread. But after this, do we consider recognizing it as an almost cold insurgency? Most of them didn't bring their guns yesterday, but we know they have them. And despite overwhelming Congressional condemnation and the chance to say 'this is too far for me, I can't support it anymore', there's no shame or remorse from those that did it, and those that support them. How does this not embolden them? Especially once the Biden presidency begins, with the Senate and House in Democratic control.

                        IMO, the time of 'truth always wins over lies' and they just need to be 'educated' has shown to be futile. Do you have to actively attempt to split it or actively try to divide it so it will turn on itself? Is that the only way to defeat it? Or am I overreacting?
                        Attempting to focus anger on a small few elected republican officials who are trying to direct this insanity to a more useful traditional political ends would be a start. They are playing with matches. If members of congress hadnt to try to overturn the vote it wouldnt legitimatize the "patriots" in their own minds who invaded the capitol. Bad actors like Cruz are fucking disgusting. They are now not just silent on crazy conspiracy theories but complicit. By attempting to direct the mob they will become beholden to them. In the end the republican party has to drift back to some kind of centre but its actually becoming harder to see how they can make that transition. How can they win elections without the trump vote...the conspiracy vote...

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                        • #87

                          Originally posted by tbm3fan
                          You know if it weren't for social media and the internet these people and their beliefs would have no mass outlet. The more we head into this second decade I am starting to wish the more we were back before the internet became available to the general public. I can't see how any of this can ever be put back into the bottle but instead spread like a fungus
                          Originally posted by statquo View Post

                          This x1000

                          I can't remember who said it, it might have been Frank Luntz, but they said social media is the poison of democracy. And once deep fake technology becomes more easy, it'll only get worse.

                          And even if someone said you have to mass regulate it... ACTUAL news organizations have been created to take advantage of it. How do you pull it back??

                          In my opinion, it was there during the Obama years, but it was pumped full of steroids when "alternative facts' became normalized the first day of the Trump presidency.
                          And this is what really really really scares me too. The creation of niches islands on the internet where people are fed or more to the point feed themselves what they want to believe. That foreign actors will not develop A.I, that can further sow discontent on the micro level at scale. We shouldnt just assume the grand social media experiment we are subjecting ourselves will just work out in the end. I cant see how it will be a net postive but I can imagine or hope other progress in society overwhleming its negatives.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by tantalus View Post
                            Originally posted by tbm3fan
                            You know if it weren't for social media and the internet these people and their beliefs would have no mass outlet. The more we head into this second decade I am starting to wish the more we were back before the internet became available to the general public. I can't see how any of this can ever be put back into the bottle but instead spread like a fungus


                            And this is what really really really scares me too. The creation of niches islands on the internet where people are fed or more to the point feed themselves what they want to believe. That foreign actors will not develop A.I, that can further sow discontent on the micro level at scale. We shouldnt just assume the grand social media experiment we are subjecting ourselves will just work out in the end. I cant see how it will be a net postive but I can imagine or hope other progress in society overwhleming its negatives.
                            So speaking of fungus I was thinking about fungus on the microscopic level which send hyphae to suck up nutrients. Also about how difficult is is to treat vs. bacteria.

                            Then BAM the perfect analogy popped into my head as to why the internet has become so insidious. Computers are planted all over this country, this world, like small seed pods. They are connected to the internet through hyphae.Through this hyphae flows thoughts, ideas, that can be used to alter your mind and take it over. Slowly, but surely, the process creeps along despite warnings from those now on the outside. Too many little seed pods to gather up. Too much hypahe out there to cut down. Too many minds getting absorbed before you realize it and can do anything about it.

                            Welcome to the world of the Invasion of the Mind Snatchers. Think about it awhile and you'll realize the truly scary importance of that.


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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post

                              Well, don't know much about him but not quite ready to put him in the same category as a young JFK.
                              me neither, but he might be one to watch.
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                              Win nervously lose tragically - Reds C C

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                              • #90
                                Trump Having Second Thoughts About That Concession Video
                                Some of the president's most diehard fans refused to believe that Trump would commit to a peaceful transition of power and assumed the video was a ‘deepfake’ hoax.

                                Donald Trump’s most loyal supporters feel angry and betrayed over the Thursday video in which the president tried to distance himself from a pro-Trump riot in Congress, despite the president’s advisers assuring him he had not alienated too many of his fans.

                                Shortly after his White House video—in which a scripted President Trump acknowledged that a transition to a “new” administration was underway, but stopped short of even admitting that he indeed lost fairly to his 2020 Democratic opponent—posted online, Trump started having second thoughts. Throughout the evening, the outgoing, increasingly authoritarian leader of the free world quizzed close advisers and White House officials about if he did the right thing, and if the reception from the public, the media, and his supporters was “good,” according to two people with direct knowledge of the conversations on Thursday. He asked if his supporters felt let down.

                                Some who spoke to him attempted to comfort and reassure him that it was being well-received and that he did what he needed to do and that Democratic lawmakers who were calling for his removal from office werejust trying to kick him when he was down.

                                Left unsaid was the backlash from his diehard fans had already begun online. Some called for Trump to keep up the fight, others said they felt betrayed.

                                But, despite confidants’ efforts to shield him, by early Friday, it appeared that he’d started noticing some of the fallout.

                                “The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!” Trump posted to Twitter on Friday morning, in his first written tweet since getting temporarily locked out of his account for openly egging on the deadly riot in Washington, DC.

                                He followed up that post with another one reading, “To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th,” implying that a Biden one would indeed occur.

                                But many of Trump’s hardcore supporters were distraught to see Trump call for prosecution of the rioters “heinous” actions, just a day after he urged them to go to the capitol in a speech outside the White House.

                                On pro-Trump forum “The Donald,” some Trump supporters saw the video as proof Trump had abandoned them to the predations of a Democratic Party that will soon control the White House and both houses of Congress. A 4,000-comment thread reacting to Trump’s speech appeared to have been deleted by Friday.

                                “I’m angry as fuck that Ashli Babbit (sic) died for this and received this speech in return and you should be too,” wrote one poster, referring to the rioter who was shot by Capitol Police on Wednesday. “To call what we did heinous is.....fucked.”

                                Many of Trump’s supporters in the QAnon conspiracy theory world have alienated their friends and family in the pursuit of the idea that Trump was a sort of messianic figure who would literally murder their enemies and create a kind of MAGA utopia. As a result, they took the quasi-concession speech hard.

                                “So that's it? It's over?” one QAnon fan tweeted at former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn. “Has the towel just been thrown in and the hell with the rest of us? How do we pick up the shattered pieces and mend our families and friendships?”

                                White nationalist Nick Fuentes took to Twitter to request pardons for people who had invaded the capitol. But after Thursday’s video, Fuentes accused Trump of abandoning his supporters.

                                “People were willing to die for this man and he just threw them all under the bus,” Fuentes complained on Twitter.

                                Later, Fuentes decided that Trump may not have ditched his supporters after all, positing that the video may have been a hoax “deepfake” video created by artificial intelligence to create a fake Trump.

                                Fuentes wasn’t the only Trump supporter getting into conspiracy theories. Many promoted the idea that Trump had been forced to make the video against his will, or that the video itself was a high-tech fabrication. DeAnna Lorraine Tesoriero, a QAnon promoter and former congressional candidate whose call for Trump to fire Dr. Anthony Fauci was once retweeted by the president, posted her confusion about the video on conservative social media site Parler.

                                “Did he get hacked?” Tesoriero wrote.


                                As the most devout of Trump’s dead-enders have made clear, nothing will shake their belief that the imagined election-theft occurred.

                                “God chose Donald Trump for eight years, not four,” MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, a personal friend of the president’s and a big financial backer of several recent pro-Trump efforts to nullify the election, previously told The Daily Beast. “Even if Biden is inaugurated, there’s no statute of limitations [on stealing an election]. Yes, I will keep investigating this, [even if he’s sworn in], and I’m not going to stop trying to get this out there to the American people.”
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                                Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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