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  • #61
    Liu Yazhou, now a full general, is now on the news.



    Shake off old ideas, general warns PLA
    Liu Yazhou, in an apparent call for political reform, insists the army is at risk of becoming obsolete if it repeats the errors of the past
    A liberal-leaning general has warned the military to embrace change or risk losing to international rivals in what analysts say is a veiled call for political reform.

    Shake off old ideas, general warns PLA | South China Morning Post
    Liu Yazhou

    In this month's influential Communist Party magazine Qiushi Journal, General Liu Yazhou wrote that the People's Liberation Army continued to be held back by the same blind adherence to past practice that led to the Qing dynasty's downfall.

    Liu, who is political commissar at the National Defence University, argued that the refusal to set aside "old thinking" left the army at risk, despite huge advances in equipment and technology in recent years.

    "The most backward army is not the poorly equipped one, but the one filled up with old thinking," Liu wrote. He called on the party to remove barriers to innovation and spend less time on political training and propaganda campaigns exaggerating the military's capabilities.

    The army "should try hard to awake from its obsession with self-proclaimed glories, such as [China is] a 'resourceful superpower', and [the PLA is] a 'victory troop'," Liu said.

    It is not the first time Liu - the son-in-law of late president Li Xiannian - has sounded the alarm for change in the country's institutions.

    His 2004 essay "Western Theory" called on Beijing to enact political reform. Three years ago, he gave an interview to the Phoenix Weekly in which he said China must embrace US-style democracy or risk a Soviet-style collapse.

    This month, Ming Pao Monthly reported that Liu had published a "manifesto of military reform" in 2008 carrying a similar call for change in the PLA.

    In this latest commentary, Liu steered clear of the sensitive term "democracy". Instead, he called on the Communist Party to seize what he said might be its last chance to push "military reform with Chinese characteristics".

    He argued that such reform was consistent with President Xi Jinping's orders to "listen to the party, be capable of victory".

    Ho Leong-leong, a Hong Kong-based political commentator, said Liu appeared to be using such slogans to help ensure party members heard his central point.

    "The so-called Chinese characteristics in this article are just political rhetoric aimed at passing the censorship of the party's mouthpiece Qiushi," Ho said.

    Ni Lexiong , a Shanghai-based military expert, also saw Liu's commentary as a call for political reform. It was warning that the military was heading for another humiliating defeat if it failed to make political reform part of its modernisation drive.

    "Political reform will provide a sustainable political foundation to support military development, because both the US and Japan achieved great military achievements after they successfully set up democratic systems," Ni said.

    Liu noted the Chinese military had missed out on the last two big revolutions on military technology: the widespread use of firearms in the 17th century and the mechanisation of warfare after the first world war.

    He said military technology in such countries as the United States was now undergoing a similar revolution, with a greater focus on cyberwarfare and a shift to smaller military units that can be deployed quickly to any environment. Failing to recognise such changes would be to repeat the mistakes of the Qing dynasty.

    The authorities "would inevitably face resistance, risk, unrest and cost," he said. "If [leaders] take [political] cost and risk too seriously, they will be overcautious and indecisive and miss their last historic opportunity."

    Antony Wong Dong, a Macau-based military expert, said Liu's articles could be seen as an attempt to scare the party into introducing political reform.
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    • #62
      Its going to be interesting to see how this is received.

      The Russians triggered the RMA conceptually (weighted towards mobility, manouvre and symbiotic force developments), the US put it in to play - and post GW1 and GW2 everyone else at a large scale was playing catch up - although you could argue that the Israelis went through a micro version of that RMA/ China tried to play catch up but missed the boat at the force administration level
      if you look at contemp developments which are about greater emphasis on systems concepts and heavily weighted towards information management (usually dumbed down to C4ISR as a thought bubble) then you could argue that china has some of the better foundation stones in place, but still has not made the advances at the "intellectual manouvre" level. ie they still have a political "GCI" type model in place.

      manouvre and flexibility is not just about hardware management - and culturally I think think china has a way to go before she has "real control" over her forces and how they could fight.
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      • #63
        I missed the 2003 start of this thread, but in reading through it I was struck by a line about Lt Gen Li Jijun being forced out of the running for top posts. So, I went back and looked at some of my old biographical files and found a note that he had feuded with one or both of the Yang brothers (Shangkun and Baibing).

        That made me think of the implications of a system where one of the best strategic thinkers of his generation is tossed aside because of factional infighting. That, in turn, made me feel much more confident that China would have extreme difficulty displacing the US in global affairs.

        Footnote:

        Also mentioned were the Two Lius:
        Liu Yazhou, like Liu Yuan, is a Princeling-in-Uniform who developed close ties to Hu Jintao, and to Bo Xilai. Liu Yazhou is the son-in-law of the longest continually serving politburo member (1956-87), Li Xiannian.

        Liu Yuan is the son of former President Liu Shaoqi, the famous Number One Person Taking the Capitalist Road, ca. 1966.
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        • #64
          And we had Wesley Clark. The playing field as far as competence goes is the same on both the Chinese side and our side. Shit floats.

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          • #65
            liberal he might be, but there's a lot to chip away from given that the PLA oath is to the Party, not to the motherland or the Constitution...
            There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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