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  • #46
    A.E. Reply

    That video remains epic. IIRC, that was a regimental DPICM mission. Downrange had to be just SICK.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by S2 View Post
      "I was just pointing out the inconsistencies with the statement that the artillery's guns were always bigger than the tanks' guns."

      Huh?

      We gave up 240mm, 203mm and 175mm because it just wasn't fair. Tell me when tank guns were larger, if you don't mind?
      Never said we had bigger, just saying we weren't always smaller, is all
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      • #48
        bigross86 Reply

        "...just saying we weren't always smaller, is all"

        Still wrong. Biggest tank guns I can recall were the KV-152 and the M60A2/M551 Sheridan. Neither exceeded what was in service with the artillery then.

        Now stop this obstinate silliness.
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        • #49
          Equal is not smaller, that's all I'm saying.
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          • #50
            BR, you have been proven wrong, why being so stubborn? S2 ain't your professor :)

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Doktor View Post
              BR, you have been proven wrong, why being so stubborn? S2 ain't your professor :)

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              • #52
                this thread is gettin' freudian...
                There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                • #53
                  Not trying to stir the pot but

                  Originally posted by bigross86 View Post
                  Equal is not smaller, that's all I'm saying.
                  But they are not equal. Notice the quote "gave the King big guns and big bullets. And the infantry and armor were jealous, for they had not. "

                  Your Puny 105 gun shoots what, 3-4 different types of rounds? APFSDS (Sabot), HEP, HEAT and maybe a cannister round or WP round

                  Manly 105mm Howitzers Shoot
                  HE,
                  HE Rocket assist (Ma Bell),
                  Beehive rounds (8,000 flechettes),
                  HEP,
                  ICM (42 submunitions) ,
                  Illumination (both white light and IR)
                  HC Smoke,
                  FS Smoke (colored smoke)
                  WP smoke,
                  Leaflet rounds,
                  tactical tear gas (CS).

                  There were also Sarin and Mustard gas rounds.

                  There is a reason we are called the God Of War.;)
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
                    There is a reason we are called the God Of War.;)
                    Hmm... so that's why there is anti personnel, anti tanks, anti aircraft, but no anti artillery weaponry? At least this lil civvie haven't heard of one.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                      Hmm... so that's why there is anti personnel, anti tanks, anti aircraft, but no anti artillery weaponry? At least this lil civvie haven't heard of one.
                      The only thing an Artillery unit fears is another Artillery unit lying low somewhwere tasked with the counter battery mission.

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                      • #56
                        Doktor Reply

                        "Hmm... so that's why there is anti personnel, anti tanks, anti aircraft, but no anti artillery weaponry?"

                        Yes. All devised by the one true God to scour pestilence and vermin from the face of this good earth.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by ArtyEngineer View Post
                          The only thing an Artillery unit fears is another Artillery unit lying low somewhwere tasked with the counter battery mission.

                          Regards

                          Arty
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                          • #58
                            Whose hose is bigger? The biggest modern artillery was the German Dora 800mm gun, there were bigger mortars (Little David), but that gun was the biggest BLR to see action AFAIK. Hitler had plans to mount it on a tracked vehicle and called it a P-1500 "tank". So there was a tie? Or does artillery claim both along with the 600mm Karl and call them SPG's?

                            Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia P 1000/1500 / PzKpfw IX/X
                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dora_(artillery)

                            Little David - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                            The Soviets actually built these 16" SPG's
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by USSWisconsin View Post
                              Whose hose is bigger? The biggest modern artillery was the German Dora 800mm gun, there were bigger mortars (Little David), but that gun was the biggest BLR to see action AFAIK. Hitler had plans to mount it on a tracked vehicle and called it a P-1500 "tank". So there was a tie? Or does artillery claim both along with the 600mm Karl and call them SPG's?

                              Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia P 1000/1500 / PzKpfw IX/X
                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dora_(artillery)

                              Little David - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                              The Soviets actually built these 16" SPG's
                              The Monster was to be a 1,500 tonne mobile, self-propelled platform for an 80-cm K (E) gun, along with two 15 cm sFH 18 heavy howitzers, and multiple MG 151 autocannons normally used on combat aircraft. It was deemed impractical, and in 1943 was canceled by Albert Speer. It never left the drawing board and no progress was ever made. It would have easily surpassed the Panzer VIII Maus (heaviest tank ever built) and the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte (also never built) in weight and size.

                              Never built so doesn't count.

                              And the Soviet 2B1 Oka was an SP mortar not a tank.

                              A tracked chassis does not a tank make.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                                The Monster was to be a 1,500 tonne mobile, self-propelled platform for an 80-cm K (E) gun, along with two 15 cm sFH 18 heavy howitzers, and multiple MG 151 autocannons normally used on combat aircraft. It was deemed impractical, and in 1943 was canceled by Albert Speer. It never left the drawing board and no progress was ever made. It would have easily surpassed the Panzer VIII Maus (heaviest tank ever built) and the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte (also never built) in weight and size.

                                Never built so doesn't count.

                                And the Soviet 2B1 Oka was an SP mortar not a tank.

                                A tracked chassis does not a tank make.

                                I too would call all these beasts SPG's (artillery), but many sources called some of them tanks. The Soviets had a 16" (406mm) gun version and a 420mm Mortar version of this SPG, the picture I posted is the gun according to the captions, strangely - the larger mortar has an even longer barrel (it has thinner barrel walls - so appears to have a lower working pressure). I agree the never built things don't count - but Hitler's obsession with giant guns was legendary - and the German's did build the guns - thought the landcruisers, beyond the Maus, never made it.
                                I disagree with the "no progress" statement about the landcruisers - the designs were one step in the progress. though the material resources were wisely not assigned to the projects. The completed and operational Dora gun demonstrated how these giants could actually serve the enemy better than their own army, tying up huge amounts of men and resources to little effect - Dora fired less than 45 projectiles in its entire career, and more than half of them were aimed at Warsaw - a non-miltiary and criminal use. It was used effectively only once, in June 1942, when it helped to destroy a fortress in Sevastapol.

                                "White Cliff" aka "Ammunition Mountion": an undersea ammunition magazine in Severnaya ("Northern") Bay. The magazine was sited 30 meters under the sea with at least 10 meters of concrete protection. After nine shells were fired, the magazine was ruined and one of the boats in the bay sunk.[4]
                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dora_(artillery)
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