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    A skull long believed to be that of Adolf Hitler actually belonged to a woman, according to an American scientist who has taken DNA samples from it.

    The skull was taken by Soviet forces in 1945 when they found charred remains outside the Nazi dictator's bunker in Berlin.

    The Russians said at the time that the findings backed claims that Hitler had shot himself on April 30, 1945, and then been cremated along with his wife, Eva Braun.

    Now, however, archaeologist and bone specialist Nick Bellantoni says the skull really belonged to a woman aged under 40 and not Hitler - who was 56 when he died.

    Neither does Mr Bellantoni believe the skull belongs to Braun, Hitler's long-time girlfriend and last-minute wife, who is thought to have killed herself by taking cyanide and would therefore not have had a bullet wound - as this skull has.

    The Russians say they have never claimed the skull itself was the chief reason for their belief the skull was Hitler's.

    Instead, they point to dental records as confirmation that Hitler killed himself.

    Some historians have believed for years that the Nazi dictator did not die in Berlin.

    "There is no forensic evidence whatsoever that Hitler died in the bunker," historian and journalist Gerrard Williams told Sky News Online.

    "The Nazi high command had been making plans since 1943 to get out of Germany and to set up a Fourth Reich mainly in South America so they had no need to die in situ in Germany.

    "There was a very effective route out of Germany to South America and the Nazis had help from various factions, in particular a Croatian cardinal from the Vatican called Alois Hudel.

    "As for the dental records, they were destroyed on the orders on Martin Borman in 1944. So there were no records on top Nazi leaders with which to compare the charred findings."

    One reason why there was such a belief at the end of World War II that the skull was Hitler's, Mr Williams suggests, is that everyone needed Hitler to be dead.

    "Everyone wanted to close the chapter very quickly because, of course, the Cold War was just starting up. It was convenient, that's all."


    Has there been a thread about this ,if so , again ,appols ;)

  • #2
    Aww, and here I was thinking the Yale Skull & Bones club had Hitlers skull and were having initiation sex with it all along. I guess Geronimo is the only lucky one.

    Damn you science!
    You know JJ, Him could do it....

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Rumrunner View Post
      Aww, and here I was thinking the Yale Skull & Bones club had Hitlers skull and were having initiation sex with it all along. I guess Geronimo is the only lucky one.

      Damn you science!
      No dancing at midnight with the coven for you then

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      • #4
        yet again, I miss out on all the fun. Sigh.
        You know JJ, Him could do it....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Rumrunner View Post
          yet again, I miss out on all the fun. Sigh.
          Yea never mind , i heard Knaur , ferky and shamus went to one o them gigs , and they got fixed up with the one with the sheeps head and cloven feet , must be what they are used to huh :))

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          • #6
            Ah yes Tankie: You have just uncovered a report, theory, dream of somebody who wants to rewrite history the way he thinks it should have been done.

            Several years ago, there was a show on Cable following up on all the rumors and were allowed to view the few bone fragments in storage in Moscow.

            The show also interviewed civilians, such as the maintenance mechanic and a typist, who were in the bunker at the time.

            But that attempt at rewrite is not as stupid as the theory that the Ammuniton ship explosions at Port Chicago (near Benicia, California) in WW II was actually a test of a Uranium bomb before the atomic attacks on Japan.

            Heutler ist TOTE. Who cares if the bone identification is not correct? I doubt very much there would be 121 year old Nazi with an Austrian accent living in Argentina today.
            Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RustyBattleship View Post
              Ah yes Tankie: You have just uncovered a report, theory, dream of somebody who wants to rewrite history the way he thinks it should have been done.

              Several years ago, there was a show on Cable following up on all the rumors and were allowed to view the few bone fragments in storage in Moscow.

              The show also interviewed civilians, such as the maintenance mechanic and a typist, who were in the bunker at the time.

              But that attempt at rewrite is not as stupid as the theory that the Ammuniton ship explosions at Port Chicago (near Benicia, California) in WW II was actually a test of a Uranium bomb before the atomic attacks on Japan.

              Heutler ist TOTE. Who cares if the bone identification is not correct? I doubt very much there would be 121 year old Nazi with an Austrian accent living in Argentina today.
              ;) Very poss R/B , it was in the yahoo news page yesterday which i thought would make a good discussion starter ,and with your post and Rumrunners , its got humor and the serious side , (the conspiracy ) ,,121 years old huh , must get on to the Guinness book of records , to survive with syphilis that long must be another record in its own right , as well as being the worlds oldest man :))

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              • #8
                Hitler Skull

                As someone who has walked with in the shadow of Hitler for the past 40+ years of the 51 years that I have lived on this big blue ball.And by this I have been collecting artifacts dealing with WW2.I have read every book printed on this subject,and have had the luck to talk with the last few who were there.There world was turned upside down during this time,and no one know for sure if death would come from the U.S./U.S.S.R./or from the SS/SD or anyone of the other Nazi unit's around at that time.

                With in the past few years a 4 volume set of books were published by R.James Bender Publishing,dealing with a man who was on the sideline's in the shadow of the whole thing.His name was Heinrich Muller the chife of the Gestapo.In one of the volume's he states that he got Hitler out and into Spain were he died a littel later on.There is proof as Hitler plane did land in Spain.Now weather or not Muller did this or not is one thing,but it add to the story and the story has yet to die.With each passing year this point in time will never be fully closed and new tails we come fourth.I for one will keep an open mind to it all,but untill someone comes up with 100% proof as to what went on we will wate and see

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                • #9
                  IIRC Hitler had Parkinson's disease and other neurological problems towards the end. The problem with any theory that has him leaving the bunker alive is that he absolutely could not be seen by any except perhaps 2 or 3 completely trusted aides, or the word would rapidly go out that "Hitler was seen in (insert city here)" resulting in an epic manhunt.

                  Whether he died as history says (which I believe to be the truth) or whether he escaped and lived a few more years, it doesn't much matter... his Reich was shattered, and that is truly what counted most.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tankie View Post
                    Yea never mind , i heard Knaur , ferky and shamus went to one o them gigs , and they got fixed up with the one with the sheeps head and cloven feet , must be what they are used to huh :))
                    But a fun time for P-haka with the vidcam nevertheless:))
                    When our perils are past, shall our gratitude sleep? - George Canning sigpic

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                    • #11
                      theres no spoon...or...hitler...only your imagination...lol
                      Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.

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                      • #12
                        It turns out that the said skull was a female. BBC News yesterday.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RustyBattleship View Post
                          Ah yes Tankie: You have just uncovered a report, theory, dream of somebody who wants to rewrite history the way he thinks it should have been done.

                          Several years ago, there was a show on Cable following up on all the rumors and were allowed to view the few bone fragments in storage in Moscow.

                          The show also interviewed civilians, such as the maintenance mechanic and a typist, who were in the bunker at the time.

                          But that attempt at rewrite is not as stupid as the theory that the Ammuniton ship explosions at Port Chicago (near Benicia, California) in WW II was actually a test of a Uranium bomb before the atomic attacks on Japan.

                          Heutler ist TOTE. Who cares if the bone identification is not correct? I doubt very much there would be 121 year old Nazi with an Austrian accent living in Argentina today.
                          The nutbars will use this as an excuse to further their conspiracy theories, most likely saying that the Allies lied about a bunch of things and this is proof.

                          From a thread on ATS -
                          It wouldn't surprise me if he extradited to Russia with the deal that if they spared his life he'd give them important scientifical discoveries made by his scientists during the war. Such creations as reversed UFO technology, the harnessing of the Atom etc.
                          Hitler wasn't a Dictator he was a manipulator, he mislead a entire nation to follow his beliefs and almost succeeded, i'm sure him going to Russia in exchange for his life was better than being bombed or captured by British/American/Russian soldiers.
                          More than likely he's dead now from natural causes, but what Russia know technologically wise they have Germany to thank.

                          New doubts over Hitler's Suicide....scary stuff., page 1

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                          • #14
                            Hitler wasn't a Dictator he was a manipulator, he mislead a entire nation to follow his beliefs and almost succeeded, i'm sure him going to Russia in exchange for his life was better than being bombed or captured by British/American/Russian soldiers.
                            More than likely he's dead now from natural causes, but what Russia know technologically wise they have Germany to thank.
                            More than likely he committed suicide in the bunker of the Reichschancellory and the Russians picked up the wrong skull. If he had not, someone who had been in the bunker when he aced himself have said something sometime during the past 64 years.

                            I'm sure if the Russians got ahold of him they would have flayed him.
                            "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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                            • #15
                              Surprised if they didnt play polo with his skull.:))
                              Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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