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Nah just run for the lakes. You can hide up in the mountains for years. I went backpacking pretty self sufficiently in the schliersee area for a week. Small area but so nice. Came down once in a while to raid the beer garden (for pretzels of course...)
Here's my "zombie apocalypse" bugout apparatus (or a recent variation of it). my kit includes a class IIIA Vest with class IV ceramic plates, a full medical kit with a good supply of prescription antibiotics and narcotics, numerous compact lights, a variety pack of extra batteries for my optics and lights, a firestarter, a couple knives, a machete', a good M7 bayonet, as many as 4 firearms, and a multi-band crank and solar powered radio with a USB charging station.
In 5.56mm i have a large supply of various ammo types for all needs. Lightweight 55gr ballistic tip varmint rounds for hunting little critters, Mk262Mod1 77gr OTM for hunting 2 legged critters, and 63 grain Doubletap Barnes TSX solid copper bullets for bigger or dangerous game animals. Finally, i keep a supply of M856 tracer ammo for incendiary effects. This is all loaded in 15x 30rd mags, 4x 20rd mags, and a 100rd Beta C drum mag.
Before someone tells me it's too much to carry, I will point out that I was in the Infantry- I know how much i can carry. ;)
My "stay at home" setup is far more elaborate. Honestly, few things could compel me to leave my well layered defenses and highly secure domicile in an emergency situation. Especially because i have a free running water supply in the form of a large creek just about 100 meters from my front door, and months of canned good foodstuffs stockpiled here.
I think a distinction needs to be made between a battle kit and a wilderness or urban survival set up. Not specifically at bill since his plan covers that but just in general.
I think a distinction needs to be made between a battle kit and a wilderness or urban survival set up. Not specifically at bill since his plan covers that but just in general.
Correct, there is the long term survivor and the down range troop who is supported by a larger organisation train of thought, the long term survivor if armed will be evading all and any enemy/confrontational contact at all cost as he hasn't the capabilities of a soldier or the back up, (if he or anyone on his team is injured they will probably die from sepsis, or even a simple infection). not to mention no replen facilities, and is reliant on his own ingenuity and what he can find on his travells to keep him restocked with everything. On another forum people are talking about carrying seed to start their own little plantations etc, which is a far cry from actually being in a shtf situation, and remember if your bug out location appealed to you, you can bet your bottom dollar that your not going to be alone.
Trapping will be a more usefull way of securing meat scources as it is quiet, as is my compound and longbow, for those of you who hunt, you'll have experienced the appearence of mother natures dustbin men showing up shortly after you have taken an annimal, now wait and see what happens in a SHTF/WROL you'll have everything that is still able to move heading for the area from where the shot came from.
I plan longterm and hope it never hapens, Bavarian winters are harsh and if you can survive for a year the rest is easy(ish) ;) I hope.
If you need to do so ebook reading, google halffasts "lights out" it's a good read, a lot of good info is in there, even if he did give it a story line, and even so, that goes into the small unit tactical capabilities of a survivor element in a very hostile environment. There ia also a very good account from an Argentinian who not to long ago was experiencing the ecconomic crash and what it entailed. Bugging in is the more viable option, but if the nieghbourhood catches wind of the fact that while they are starving, you and your family don't seem to be affected you'll have a big problem. okay you have guns, but if they burn you out your at a loss, loose all of your supplies and your running into their open arms...
If the plan is to take on a such sizable force you need all that ammo you need a different plan. Just saying. :popcorn:
Then again plans are useless.
I favor mobility. You can always go super wacko and cache some ammo. At my BOL I've placed a small scout tent, about a 1000rds of .22, a spare mag bar, and snare wire.
Just get the largest PVC pipe you can find and cap it up then bury it.
My location in the lowlands with no substantive food and a lot of idiots around me does necessitate bugging out.
The idea behind stocking such a large supply of ammo in a mobile kit is based on the premise that it might literally be a "lifetime supply."
You might never get another single round of ammo after you walk out your front door. I have but 630rds of ammo for my AR carbine stowed in my vest. That ammo might need to last me literally decades. And if one was forced by circumstances to get into a firefight with a superior force one could very quickly burn through a huge quantity of that ammo in a break contact drill or an "overwhelming assault."
If mobility is a concern, ammo can always be dumped or stashed on the road as required. Or very possibly traded for other greatly needed supplies.
Being burned out is the great threat for any bunkering individuals. It is really one of the very few things that could get me to abandon my location. I think that any movement at all in a "doomsday" scenario where there is a lack of government authority would be extremely dangerous, and would most likely be wise to avoid at all costs. This is true in spades for daytime movement. And true to the 10th power in a city environment.
Reddite igitur quae sunt Caesaris Caesari et quae sunt Dei Deo
(Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things which are God's)
I never was a fan of the Kel-tec guns until they brought this Kel Tec CNC out.
As far as bullpups go the carbine version would do, easy enough to pack and with it being in .308 win., it can take care of most jobs around, and that weaver/picatiny rail will give you access to fit a wide range of optics.
I haven't seen or used this weapon, so I can't say I'd entrust my life to it, but .308win is my hunting caliber and it works a treat.
Has any of my luckier brethren out there seen or used this weapon??
I never was a fan of the Kel-tec guns until they brought this Kel Tec CNC out.
As far as bullpups go the carbine version would do, easy enough to pack and with it being in .308 win., it can take care of most jobs around, and that weaver/picatiny rail will give you access to fit a wide range of optics.
I haven't seen or used this weapon, so I can't say I'd entrust my life to it, but .308win is my hunting caliber and it works a treat.
Has any of my luckier brethren out there seen or used this weapon??
Tony
Nice looking weapon Tony and 7.62. I thought it was a mistake when we went to a smaller cal. I now read that 7.62 has reared its head with some UK Troops in Afghanistan. I must admit I would feel a lot safer with that Kel Tec than an SA 80:)
Yep, that NATO standardisation thing was a pain, but getting the SA80A1 (in 1992) was a mistake, we should have bought M4 Carbines, it would have been cheaper as they were a proved platform. That new rifle they have had to buy is an AR10 with Acog sights, and is well liked by those lucky enough to get one, but the L1A1 with SUIT sights would have done the job just as well IMHO.
Hope you and the family are keeping well, BTW Taff is still posting pictures over on FB of you and a load of the blokes from yesteryear.
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