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  • #76


    Now heres a cruiser - how about those goofy secondaries - they didn't pan out well, but this big "cruiser" had a long career.
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    • #77


      John Browns Shipyard at Clydebank. Inflexible.
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      • #78
        Perhaps the ultimate battlecruiser
        She was a fine ship according to those who served on her.


        These shipyard pictures are some of my favorite kind - I love to see how these ships were put together. Note the new 5.5"/50 guns, an effort to increase the ROF over the 6" type. They were adopted by the Japanese and used in WWII on their early cruisers.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
          ...the cool, Mike Spark ish, Cruiser/seaplane carrier.

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          I suspect he would advocate something further outside the box, maybe a giant blimp carrying submersible cruiser with turboelectric drive. The over riding notion being that it would slide up near the east coast of Japan off Tokyo, surface on a moonless night, and launch one-way incendiary blimp-bombs into the easterly prevailing winds. You have to work his idol Gavin into it somehow. And you would have to ignore the fact that there are very few moonless nights. And you would have to litter the related description with capital letters.
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          • #80
            Originally posted by JRT View Post
            I suspect he would advocate something further outside the box, maybe a giant blimp carrying submersible cruiser with turboelectric drive. The over riding notion being that it would slide up near the east coast of Japan off Tokyo, surface on a moonless night, and launch one-way incendiary blimp-bombs into the easterly prevailing winds. You have to work his idol Gavin into it somehow. And you would have to ignore the fact that there are very few moonless nights. And you would have to litter the related description with capital letters.
            Steam powered, with 12 boilers and oil firing, the turbo electric drive powering a giant compressor - taking up the whole front of the boat - to store air for the boiler in a deep draft second hull, suspended under the primary hull. The submarine would be driven by powerful jets of steam - from the submerged boiler. Special retracting - rotating towers would pop up and discharge gavins from special ports - as incendiary blimps shot out the tops of the towers rapid fire. And the 16" guns would be mounted in the belly for straffing runs when the sub became airborne.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by USSWisconsin View Post
              Steam powered, with 12 boilers and oil firing, the turbo electric drive powering a giant compressor - taking up the whole front of the boat - to store air for the boiler in a deep draft second hull, suspended under the primary hull. The submarine would be driven by powerful jets of steam - from the submerged boiler. Special retracting - rotating towers would pop up and discharge gavins from special ports - as incendiary blimps shot out the tops of the towers rapid fire. And the 16" guns would be mounted in the belly for straffing runs when the sub became airborne.
              Of course, because you always strafe with 16-inch guns and their rapid fire 2 rounds-per-minute...or just mount them directly to the Gavins

              (So this is what it's like to be Mike Sparks...pretty scary :red: )
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              • #82
                They'd be in open 6" carbon fiber barbettes, served by divers, with 100 mile range sabot rounds and waterproof powder - all twenty of em', L92 stacked M7 mod 666 guns, single mounted on the big 600' span delta wings attached to that second deep hull. And several would be detachable for mounting on the gavins... She'd be a big one all 100,000 tons of her.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by USSWisconsin View Post
                  They'd be in open 6" carbon fiber barbettes, served by divers, with 100 mile range sabot rounds and waterproof powder - all twenty of em', L92 stacked M7 mod 666 guns, single mounted on the big 600' span delta wings attached to that second deep hull. And several would be detachable for mounting on the gavins... She'd be a big one all 100,000 tons of her.
                  "sabot rounds"? Ok now you're just being ridiculous. Let's stick to reality here. How about a plasma-pulse round capable of wiping out everything in it's path, instead.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                    "sabot rounds"? Ok now you're just being ridiculous. Let's stick to reality here. How about a plasma-pulse round capable of wiping out everything in it's path, instead.


                    ms sparkagavin - note the plasma pulse cannon right aft.

                    features:
                    Twin airtank sub-hulls for extra range. Shark tail rudder. Sponson mounted torpedo guns. Tracks for crawling ashore in stealth mode. Gavin ramp for rapid deployment. 2 x 6 pdr for close defense. Vertical launch incendiary blimps. Sonic "gun" using compressor intake noise.

                    displacement 100,000 tons
                    500'x 600'x 340'
                    crew 10,000 total with SF para-regiment, 100 amphibious super gavins - w/105mm guns, 25 blimps.
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                    • #85
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by USSWisconsin View Post
                        ms sparkagavin - note the plasma pulse cannon right aft.
                        Much better. I like the 4 funnels particularly
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                          Much better. I like the 4 funnels particularly
                          It looks like some monstrocity the Soviets would have built during the Cold War.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                            Much better. I like the 4 funnels particularly
                            ^^ That was said in the voice of The Knights Who Say Nee


                            ( I like the laurels particularly)
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                            • #89
                              Drifting back to the subject ...




                              A nice freeboard comparison with a contemporary battleship.


                              an early example





                              USN protected cruisers (armored deck, no belt) before the treaties. Cruisers were often larger than battleships.
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                              • #90
                                The armored cruiser and predreadnought were replaced by the battlecruiser and dreadnought battleship - the cruisers were typically larger, though the battleships had greater displacement, primarily because of their heavier armor.




                                the Minotaur is about 50' longer then the Lord Nelson
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