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  • RustyBattleship
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    Originally posted by Pacfanweb View Post
    I have a question:

    I've read here and there for years that Wisconsin is the longest of the Iowas, having gained a few inches when the bow of Kentucky was attached to her.

    Is that true? Seems like if they cut it off at the same place and welded it back on correctly, it should be the same, right? Unless Kentucky was slightly different.

    On the Wisconsin's FB page, the person in charge of the page says it's a myth. Sounds reasonable, just wondered where it came from and was there anything to it?
    No, the WISKY is still the same OVERALL length as when built. Only the lower two-thirds of the bow was replaced from the Kentucky's bow. That lower section is well aft of the forepeak (20mm gun tubs and wind deflector) at just about the forward perpindcular. Photos of BB-66 after "donating" her hull section show a Battleship's forepeak section up on deck. But that was KENTUCK's forepeak, not WISKY's.

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  • Burnet
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    Question about the 16-inch barrel pictured in post #1472.

    Looking square at the muzzle the rifling is clearly visible as well as what appears to be an inner piece inside the overall barrel.

    Is that what is called the barrel sleeve? Do the barrels have to be removed from the gun turret to replace the sleeve--and thus the rifling?

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  • Pacfanweb
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    I have a question:

    I've read here and there for years that Wisconsin is the longest of the Iowas, having gained a few inches when the bow of Kentucky was attached to her.

    Is that true? Seems like if they cut it off at the same place and welded it back on correctly, it should be the same, right? Unless Kentucky was slightly different.

    On the Wisconsin's FB page, the person in charge of the page says it's a myth. Sounds reasonable, just wondered where it came from and was there anything to it?

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  • RustyBattleship
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    Originally posted by blidgepump View Post
    Security much tighter since the shooting at WNY.
    With no CAC card there was the traditional paperwork.
    Nothing on display from the list of interest.

    16-inch barrel on display ( not from the IOWA's )

    The USS Barry is still moored.
    Great photos. However I think that particular 16"/50 is the HEAVY barrel production piece. To keep within Treaty Limitations, the Iowa class Battleships had the LIGHTWEIGHT model installed. As I understand it, the weapons designers felt a little queasy about using a lighter barrel but were relieved when tests at Dahlgren (and later from the BB's themselves) that it exceeded expectations.

    One way to tell that is a heavy barrel is that extra sleeve about three quarters of the way back from the muzzle. The barrels installed on the ships have no extra bands around them. Only a longitudinal key-way (looks like a 3" X 1/2" flat bar welded on it) that is the alignment bar so the barrel is properly indexed for breech block alignment. Also the outside diameter of the above barrel at the muzzle appears to be larger than the 25" diameter of those used on the Iowas.

    Whether they were ever used or not, they are still very impressive. Thanks for the photos.

    As for checking on other displays, a few months ago it was reported that the Washington Navy Yard museum will move to slightly smaller quarters and they needed to get rid of some of their displays. The new location was hinted that it would be more accessible to the public as well.

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  • blidgepump
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    Wny ...

    Originally posted by blidgepump View Post
    Mr. L,

    I am in D.C. on business near the WNY next week.
    Would you like for me to present a letter for you?
    Security much tighter since the shooting at WNY.
    With no CAC card there was the traditional paperwork.
    Nothing on display from the list of interest.

    16-inch barrel on display ( not from the IOWA's )

    The USS Barry is still moored.
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  • tbm3fan
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    Originally posted by Stitch View Post
    I know when we got a docent tour of the Hornet a few years ago (being a Boy Scout helped!), they took us up to the auxiliary steering room, which was actually at the very front of the ship underneath the flight deck. On another impromptu docent-led tour, a docent took us down to the Forward Gyrocompass Room, and explained that there was another Gyrocompass Room towards the rear of the ship somewhere (we didn't get to go to that one). tbm could probably say more about this than I could.
    4th deck, underneath the crew scullery, port side.
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  • Stitch
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    Originally posted by RustyBattleship View Post
    Such redundancy is typical of US Navy ships. For example, the Iowa class Battleships have TWO Main Battery Fire Control computers rather than just one. One is forward of Broadway and the other is at the aft end of Broadway.
    I know when we got a docent tour of the Hornet a few years ago (being a Boy Scout helped!), they took us up to the auxiliary steering room, which was actually at the very front of the ship underneath the flight deck. On another impromptu docent-led tour, a docent took us down to the Forward Gyrocompass Room, and explained that there was another Gyrocompass Room towards the rear of the ship somewhere (we didn't get to go to that one). tbm could probably say more about this than I could.

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  • RustyBattleship
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    Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
    If its a display at the Navy Museum, or even just in storage, I think the Navy will tell you that it is in compliance with the reactivation regs.

    They have control of it, and in case it is needed, they know where it is. They can maintain it in better condition in their climate controlled building, ect ect ect..

    Nothing says, correct me if I'm wrong, that everything has to be stored on the ship.
    It would not be STORED on the ship. It would be re-installed on its foundation and all cables hooked back up, just as the forward computer is. Preservation is still done with dehumidified air and personal maintenance is provided by our Elex Techs on board. The New Jersey is no longer on the restriction caveat and has replace the cast steel top of the computer with a clear fiberglass copy. Therefore visitors can see all the lights, gears, cams, wheels, etc. turning under the cover rather than just looking at the dials.

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  • Dan_Bickell
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    A History of the Long Beach Naval Shipyard, Roosevelt Base & Reeves Field N.A.S.

    I purchased my copy here:

    http://www.amazon.com/History-Shipya.../dp/1448648521

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  • ArmorPiercing88
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    Also Rusty what is the title of your book and where can I get it? Would love to buy a copy.

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  • Gun Grape
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    If its a display at the Navy Museum, or even just in storage, I think the Navy will tell you that it is in compliance with the reactivation regs.

    They have control of it, and in case it is needed, they know where it is. They can maintain it in better condition in their climate controlled building, ect ect ect..

    Nothing says, correct me if I'm wrong, that everything has to be stored on the ship.

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  • RustyBattleship
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    Originally posted by ArmorPiercing88 View Post
    Cool video, but I still don't see how the Navy can give a hoot one way or the other if a 1930's era computer is onboard the ship or not. The Navy isn't ever reactivating the Iowas, and if they cared about complying with the regs to keep them in a battle ready state, then they'd not have scrapped all the gun barrels. Or does the Navy actually...and very quietly...still want to keep the 16 inchers in a state where they could really be returned to service?
    Well, your last sentence would be my preference. But there is another factor involved. The fire control computer that was removed was located in the aft FC room just off of Broadway where it would be most accessible to visitors. The forward computer is not that easy to get at.

    Sure, we could relocate the fwd computer back aft. That's generally speaking. The actual work itself takes expert electronics techs and well trained riggers with the proper equipment to move it. And then "which wire plugged into where?" Return of the original aft computer and its installation has a better access route. Also leaving the forward computer intact would provide a guide as to what plug receives which wire.

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  • ArmorPiercing88
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    Cool video, but I still don't see how the Navy can give a hoot one way or the other if a 1930's era computer is onboard the ship or not. The Navy isn't ever reactivating the Iowas, and if they cared about complying with the regs to keep them in a battle ready state, then they'd not have scrapped all the gun barrels. Or does the Navy actually...and very quietly...still want to keep the 16 inchers in a state where they could really be returned to service?

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  • blidgepump
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    Loading a 16-gun tour ....

    Originally posted by ArmorPiercing88 View Post
    Why do you have to worry about complying with Navy regs for reactivation when the Navy just scrapped all the remaining 16 inch barrels, essentially putting the nail in the logistical coffin re: ever reactivating even in some hypothetical WWIII shit hit the fan scenario? Does the Navy really give a damn if the 16 inchers can still fire or not?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU2bROPTMgw

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  • RustyBattleship
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    Originally posted by blidgepump View Post
    Mr. L,

    I am in D.C. on business near the WNY next week.
    Would you like for me to present a letter for you?
    Hmmm. The plot thickens.

    Just roam around, take note of any items as being displayed as being from the USS Iowa (or any of her class). Take photos if you can. Don't arouse suspicion. Ask just basic questions. Do NOT mention anything about Iowa still under Navy restriction to be ready for reactivation.

    Besides the Iowa's Fire Control Computer you will probably find a number of items there including a burner light-off torch and a Soda Fountain from the Missouri. But BB-63 is no longer on restraint. They were among several items that were removed from the museum we had at the Long Beach Naval Shipyard. I was commissioned by the Missouri and New Jersey museum groups to gather up those items so they could be displayed aboard ship. But my tags were torn off and all items suddenly vanished.

    They all belong aboard their ships (unless donated BY THOSE SHIPS), not in a land based museum that only a few people know that exists and is not heavily visited because of its location.

    Who knows what you will find there? I sure wish I could be with you. But my long distance travel days are a bit iffy lately.

    Contact me through our private messages on this site so we can exchange e-mail addresses, etc. if you find anything astounding (or at least curious).

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