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  • Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised over this.

    I cannot thinkof a single major program that has NOT been protested.
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    • The author uses the Flight III DDG-51 and the LCS-1 variant of the LCS for his projections of actual cost increases vs the Navy’s estimated unit procurement cost for the FFG. At the rate China is building (see: https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutto.../#64f740e269ac ) we need some quantity building of our own to start.


      Cost Estimates Questioned for New Navy Frigate
      6/18/2020
      By Jon Harper


      The Navy is moving forward with a new guided missile frigate, but some observers question the service’s cost estimates for the program.

      In late April, Fincantieri/Marinette Marine was awarded a $795 million fixed-price incentive contract for detail design and construction. The contract will provide for the delivery of up to 10 platforms, and will be worth $5.6 billion if all options are exercised.

      “Another potential issue for Congress concerns the accuracy of the Navy’s estimated unit procurement cost for the FFG(X), particularly when compared to the known unit procurement costs of other recent U.S. surface combatants,” said Ronald O’Rourke, a naval affairs specialist at the Congressional Research Service.

      The price tag of the lead ship will be about $1.3 billion, according to the Navy. It has requested $1.1 billion in fiscal year 2021 for the second vessel.

      The Navy’s most recent budget submission estimates that the third and subsequent ships will cost roughly $940 million each in then-year dollars to procure, O’Rourke said in a recent CRS report titled, “Navy Frigate FFG(X) Program: Background and Issues for Congress.”

      “Ships of the same general type and complexity that are built under similar production conditions tend to have similar costs per weight and consequently unit procurement costs that are more or less proportional to their displacements,” he noted.

      Setting the estimated cost per thousand tons of displacement of the FFG(X) about equal to those of the LCS-1 variant of the littoral combat ship would raise the estimated unit procurement cost of the third and subsequent frigates to $1.1 billion, an increase of about 17 percent, he calculated.

      Using the same formula to compare the FFG(X) to the Flight III DDG-51 destroyer would raise the estimated unit procurement cost of the third and subsequent frigates to approximately $1.5 billion, an increase of about 56 percent, according to O’Rourke.

      Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Research, Development and Acquisition James “Hondo” Geurts said the service has taken a number of steps to control costs.

      “I know there was some reporting on concern about … cost estimates, you know, were they too low?” he told reporters. “We’ve tried a different approach in frigate to taking more proven technology, both on the combat systems and with a parent [ship] design. And in doing that, you know, trying to bend the normal cost curve as compared to previous programs. … I’m comfortable that we’ve got that program positioned well.”

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      • More reasons to build.

        The Diplomat

        The Chinese Navy’s Destroyer Fleet Will Double by 2025. Then What?
        China is about to finish the current phase of destroyer construction. What comes next?

        Link:
        https://thediplomat.com/2020/07/the-...025-then-what/

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        • Pentagon Notice Says The First Of The Navy's New Frigates Will Be Named USS Brooke

          Really....really...weird way of releasing the name of a brand new class of warship.

          I wonder if this is a red herring or just a fumble-fingered f00k-up.
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          • This has already been reported to be an error. The person writing that notice looked up the name of the first FFG and didn’t check to see that Brooke had already come and gone. The first new one is apparently going to be FFG-80 and doesn’t have a name yet.
            https://mobile.twitter.com/chinfo/st...94985115705344

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            • Originally posted by ChrisV71 View Post
              This has already been reported to be an error. The person writing that notice looked up the name of the first FFG and didn’t check to see that Brooke had already come and gone. The first new one is apparently going to be FFG-80 and doesn’t have a name yet.
              https://mobile.twitter.com/chinfo/st...94985115705344
              Yeah figured as much. Hanlon's Razor in action lol.
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              • USS Agility, and other possibles were Endeavor and Dauntless.

                I'm confused.

                Are these not USS as in United States Ship because the names sound more like HMS Her Majesty's Ship.

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                • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
                  USS Agility, and other possibles were Endeavor and Dauntless.

                  I'm confused.

                  Are these not USS as in United States Ship because the names sound more like HMS Her Majesty's Ship.
                  Those were Acting SevNav whatever the hell his name was ideas. The moment he resigned, the Navy shit-canned them.

                  The USN has occasionally had a few of those RN-style superlative names, albeit for smaller ships and auxiliaries:

                  USS Dauntless
                  USS Agile
                  USS Endeavor
                  USS Invincible
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                  • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                    Those were Acting SevNav whatever the hell his name was ideas. The moment he resigned, the Navy shit-canned them.

                    The USN has occasionally had a few of those RN-style superlative names, albeit for smaller ships and auxiliaries:

                    USS Dauntless
                    USS Agile
                    USS Endeavor
                    USS Invincible
                    Exactly, as we have no naming convention for those small auxillaries. So we have the USS Pigeon, a submarine rescue vessel, that was up in the Reserve Fleet. That is fine but not for warships as noted.

                    Of course, our naming convention for certain warships is somewhat questionable.

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                    • Well, I will hazard a guess and say that the new USS Constellation will be commissioned in Baltimore.
                      https://news.usni.org/2020/10/07/sec...-constellation

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                      • Guess the USN really is back to the frigate game. About time.

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                        • The Cost of the Navy’s New Frigate Program

                          October 13, 2020

                          By CBO’s calculations, the Navy’s new frigate could cost 40 percent more than the service estimates. If the Navy’s estimate proves correct, however, the frigate would be its least expensive surface combatant in the past 50 years.

                          https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56669

                          Trust me?
                          I'm an economist!

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                          • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                            The USN has occasionally had a few of those RN-style superlative names, albeit for smaller ships and auxiliaries:
                            You had a USS Canberra for a while and she was no lightweight! For that matter isn't one of the LCS's supposed to be named Canberra as well?

                            If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                            • Yes, her (the new Canberra) keel was laid in March.
                              https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...-the-u-s-navy/

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