HMS Queen Elizabeth

[Toby]

or go with EM catapults like the US Navy.

But the point is that the VSTOL version doesn't need either.

Both would be a waste of better used space

Ah but our carriers are not as long because we don't have an arrestor wire or a steam catapult ( which would lose us more space)
Short landing , short take off ...fully automated weapon loading system reducing need for more crew..thus allowing us to use the ship as a commando carrier as well...you're playing catch up here guys. Value for money! something we live by mostly these days. Which you have to when you don't have more than half the world defence budget to spend on your military...

[Gun Grape]

and create less room and yeh lets revert to old tech that we invented in the first place like the steam catapult..lets build a museum!!

or go with EM catapults like the US Navy.

But the point is that the VSTOL version doesn't need either.

Both would be a waste of better used space

[Gun Grape]

Japanese already have V-22s. Buying 17 of them. First one rolled out in Sept.

[Toby]

Now if you guys will buy some V-22 tanker variant. You can have a mini carrier with some legs.

Getting rid of the ramp would give you more versatility/flexibility. But old habits are hard to break

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and create less room and yeh lets revert to old tech that we invented in the first place like the steam catapult..lets build a floating museum!!

[jlvfr]

The Brits were suppose to fund a feasibility study on that in 2011. Haven't seen anything since. The US wasn't/isn't interested in the capability so no funding from us. Its Brit specific.
The US plan is to use F-18s and V-22s.

They need something. Not just for added range, but safety in case of a fouled deck.

The RN has no tanking or AEW capability. The RAF doesn't have any that are shipborne capable

RN is using a version of the Merlin helo for AEW, like the Sea King did in the old Invencible-class. Read an article on it a couple of weeks ago; ofc it doesn't have the range + speed of a E-2C or a V-22 variant, but still looks quite capable. As for refueling, if Japan does get the B version for the carriers, maybe they'll be interested...

[Gun Grape]

The Brits were suppose to fund a feasibility study on that in 2011. Haven't seen anything since. The US wasn't/isn't interested in the capability so no funding from us. Its Brit specific.
The US plan is to use F-18s and V-22s.

They need something. Not just for added range, but safety in case of a fouled deck.

The RN has no tanking or AEW capability. The RAF doesn't have any that are shipborne capable

[jlvfr]

Now if you guys will buy some V-22 tanker variant. You can have a mini carrier with some legs.

Getting rid of the ramp would give you more versatility/flexibility. But old habits are hard to break

I haven't seen any references to any tanking capability in the RN's carriers... any word on budy-tanking capability for the F-35?

[Gun Grape]

Now if you guys will buy some V-22 tanker variant. You can have a mini carrier with some legs.

Getting rid of the ramp would give you more versatility/flexibility. But old habits are hard to break

[Toby]

The CGI used in this video is not disappointing to a "landlocked" kid on the Great Plains.

lol, I thought the same thing...why do they bother???

A jump ramp design designed on this new breed of CV has yet to be fully understood but I trust the future naval / air arm of the service has a "plan".

From the outset the MOD specified a Carrier capable of operating STOVL aircraft. At one point were in two minds as to continue or not due to cost of the STOVL variant. Those costs have now been clarified and so work continued without a Catapult system on the carrier. After reading Dazed last post, This does answer in large part your question. The carrier is designed for the F35B, because of what the F35B brings into the game. It can land at approx 60 miles an hour allowing excess fuel and weapons system not to be jettisoned. In other words its saving money.

[blidgepump]

CGI and beyond....

The CGI used in this video is not disappointing to a "landlocked" kid on the Great Plains.
A jump ramp design designed on this new breed of CV has yet to be fully understood but I trust the future naval / air arm of the service has a "plan".

[Toby]

[Toby]

Looks like they are going to roll on. Roll straight and rig the barrier. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...-navy-carriers

Good info thanks

[Dazed]

Harrier and 35B go around would be done in the flight phase once the transition to vertical flight begins you are pretty much committed. Fix wing on go around well you have to accelerate to V1 and go which requires distance hence the angled deck. Next time I'm in Beaufort SC I will find that out.

Looks like they are going to roll on. Roll straight and rig the barrier. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...-navy-carriers

[Toby]

Except for "Pride", Why the UK didn't buy a America class LHA. A far more capable ship and at less cost.

Because we want to maintain our ship building capability and keep British people employed in British ship yards, which in turn helps the local economy. American shipyards get a big enough subsidy as it is.

[Toby]

So is it true that HMS QE "entered service" today without aircraft? Is it real?

She was commissioned into the Royal Navy on 7 December 2017. In January 2018, Queen Elizabeth will sail to undergo her initial Operational Sea Training, before being taken into the North Atlantic for the first time for heavy weather trials and helicopter certification operations, before further work to make the ship ready to operate fixed-wing aircraft. In the latter half of 2018, Queen Elizabeth will sail for the United States where flying trials of the F-35B will begin. A "full operational capability" will be declared in 2020.... and yes very real!