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    As US negotiates nuke deal, Iran stages war games | On Air Videos | Fox News

    Made of barges and sheet metal and she still kicked their asses.

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    Originally posted by DonBelt View Post
    As US negotiates nuke deal, Iran stages war games | On Air Videos | Fox News

    Made of barges and sheet metal and she still kicked their asses.
    It's always amusing to see rhetoric meet with rhetoric. IRGCN finally grabbing their gonads and deciding to use the damn replica, and Fox news trying to turn it into something bigger than what it really is.

    I would simply thank them for the most helpful demonstration.
    "We are all special cases." - Camus

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    • #3
      Interesting to see the missile make a little dip there at the end to try to go for the waterline.

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      • #4
        Pretty typical flight profile. But, it's always nice to see how they would use it.

        That was an expensive day for Iran.
        "We are all special cases." - Camus

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        • #5
          Iranian Navy does primal scream for deep, deep existential crisis?

          Help, we can't find the ISIS navy!

          Sorry, the hilarity is just too strong with this one, say I!
          All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
          -Talmud Kohelet Rabbah, 7:16.

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          • #6
            Looks to me like some in power are trying to build perception of a stronger position (real or imagined) from which to negotiate with the US, and also from which to negotiate with their internal political opposition who might prefer to have nuclear weapons.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Squirrel View Post
              It's always amusing to see rhetoric meet with rhetoric. IRGCN finally grabbing their gonads and deciding to use the damn replica, and Fox news trying to turn it into something bigger than what it really is.

              I would simply thank them for the most helpful demonstration.
              A truly funny piece of TV all round. Apparently America can't negotiate with people who sink pretend ships.
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              • #8
                Yah, maybe Iran is such a paper tiger KSA, Jordan, Egypt, Qatar, UAE and Israel are all just being cry babies. And, oh yeah......remind me again about that other country called Yemen?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JRT View Post
                  Looks to me like some in power are trying to build perception of a stronger position (real or imagined) from which to negotiate with the US, and also from which to negotiate with their internal political opposition who might prefer to have nuclear weapons.
                  Agree with the underlined bit. For them any agreement with the US means Iran is weak.

                  if there is any agreement then they will say its a bad agreement. same on the other side.

                  But the hawks have been sidelined for now anyway.

                  They don't hog the limelight as much as they used to
                  Last edited by Double Edge; 27 Feb 15,, 00:41.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                    Any agreement with the US means Iran is weak.
                    Or any agreement with the US that leaves its nuclear proliferation infrastructure untouched means Iran is strong.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                      Agree with the underlined bit. For them any agreement with the US means Iran is weak.

                      if there is any agreement then they will say its a bad agreement. same on the other side.

                      But the hawks have been sidelined for now anyway.

                      They don't hog the limelight as much as they used to
                      That's an interesting point of view. If those in Iran advocating the building of nuclear as a defense against American aircraft carriers can be convinced that a carrier can be defeated by means already possessed by Iran, maybe their support will weaken. That would imply though that the people behind the building of the mock carrier would also be those not in favor of nuclear weapons and it was clearly the IRGCN that was involved in the exercise since they are charged with enforcing Iran's policies in the Gulf. I'm sure what Iran does makes sense from some angle, but I'm not sure what it is. I'd have guessed that the fake carrier was to test a weapon designed to be able to distinguish between a carrier and other vessels on it's own. Were any long range weapons launched at this that anyone is aware of?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DonBelt View Post
                        That's an interesting point of view. If those in Iran advocating the building of nuclear as a defense against American aircraft carriers can be convinced that a carrier can be defeated by means already possessed by Iran, maybe their support will weaken. That would imply though that the people behind the building of the mock carrier would also be those not in favor of nuclear weapons and it was clearly the IRGCN that was involved in the exercise since they are charged with enforcing Iran's policies in the Gulf. I'm sure what Iran does makes sense from some angle, but I'm not sure what it is. I'd have guessed that the fake carrier was to test a weapon designed to be able to distinguish between a carrier and other vessels on it's own. Were any long range weapons launched at this that anyone is aware of?
                        I read a NYT article saying that the man's voice in the video is calling the missile the FATEH 110. But, at the beginning you can see that the carrier is pointed bow towards coast. The supposed "FATEH" comes in, sea-skimming, on the starboard side. The previous images Iran released of the FATEH 110 come from overhead, and they're shore-fired, which lead me to assess this missile as a common C-802, possibly the indigenous upgrade.

                        And yes, this was all IRGCN. They operate mostly small boats in the SOH/AG.
                        "We are all special cases." - Camus

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Squirrel View Post
                          I read a NYT article saying that the man's voice in the video is calling the missile the FATEH 110. But, at the beginning you can see that the carrier is pointed bow towards coast. The supposed "FATEH" comes in, sea-skimming, on the starboard side. The previous images Iran released of the FATEH 110 come from overhead, and they're shore-fired, which lead me to assess this missile as a common C-802, possibly the indigenous upgrade.

                          And yes, this was all IRGCN. They operate mostly small boats in the SOH/AG.
                          As has been their MO since the Revolution. Running gunfights were de rigueur during the so called "tanker wars," and great fun it was too.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by desertswo View Post
                            As has been their MO since the Revolution. Running gunfights were de rigueur during the so called "tanker wars," and great fun it was too.
                            Well, since you mention the IRIN...and the "tanker wars."

                            On our last deployment we pulled into Salalah a day after the SABALAN...

                            They were literally on the pier perpendicular to ours , no more than a 1/8mi away.We were seeing their sailors out in town. Oh how the times have changed!

                            It reminded me of Wayne's World when they are playing hockey in the street: "Game off! Game on!"
                            "We are all special cases." - Camus

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DonBelt View Post
                              That's an interesting point of view. If those in Iran advocating the building of nuclear as a defense against American aircraft carriers can be convinced that a carrier can be defeated by means already possessed by Iran, maybe their support will weaken. That would imply though that the people behind the building of the mock carrier would also be those not in favor of nuclear weapons and it was clearly the IRGCN that was involved in the exercise since they are charged with enforcing Iran's policies in the Gulf. I'm sure what Iran does makes sense from some angle, but I'm not sure what it is. I'd have guessed that the fake carrier was to test a weapon designed to be able to distinguish between a carrier and other vessels on it's own. Were any long range weapons launched at this that anyone is aware of?
                              I do not know the connection between nuclear and taking on a cv.

                              I'm referring solely to whether they are allow to enrich and what the terms would be. Earlier it was out of the question but things seem to have become more flexible of late. Both sides seem to be quiet which is a good sign.
                              Last edited by Double Edge; 27 Feb 15,, 18:08.

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