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  • #46
    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    Transistion from a UK dominated world to a US dominated one is the only peaceful rise I can think of.
    I was thinking more of soft and hard competing for a sphere of influence - ie england, france, germany, sweden, russia

    although both Gt Britain and the USA were starting to politically manouvre against each other at the close of the 19th century - and were most active (but subtle in delivery) at the Washington Treaty cycle.....
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    • #47
      Originally posted by gf0012-aust View Post
      I was thinking more of soft and hard competing for a sphere of influence - ie england, france, germany, sweden, russia

      although both Gt Britain and the USA were starting to politically manouvre against each other at the close of the 19th century - and were most active (but subtle in delivery) at the Washington Treaty cycle.....
      Regardless, the rise of the US is the only time it happened peacefully. Though perhaps in a thousand years they will see the UK/US as more of a Roman/Byzantine type thing and so not a transition at all.

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      • #48
        Before anybody starts up about necropost zombies rising from the dead, please consider that the subject matter is evolving slowly, is far from dead, and attached below is some on-topic news.

        Australia leaning towards buying Soryu-class subs

        Julian Kerr
        11 September 2014
        Sydney - IHS Jane's Navy International

        Key Points:

        - Australian officials are leaning towards replacing the Collins-class submarine fleet with Soryu-class boats bought from Japan

        - The purchase would end submarine construction in Australia

        - The opposition Labor Party has said it would cancel the deal if it won the 2016 general election

        Despite political opposition and apparently contradictory ministerial statements, it appears increasingly likely that Australia will replace its Collins-class submarines with 4,200-tonne Soryu-class submarines built in Japan.

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        Australia's interest in the Soryu class has gained momentum following the signing of a bilateral defence co-operation agreement with Japan earlier this year. (Japanese Ministry of Defense)

        Amid intense media speculation about such an agreement, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said on 8 September that a decision on replacing the six Australian-built, 3,400-tonne Collins-class submarines under Project Sea 1000 would be based on capability, value for money, and regional rather than industrial policy.

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        • #49
          It is a hot topic right now. Heavy industry has been disappearing in places like Sth Australia & Victoria. In both places auto manufacturing will be dead within a few years due to the withdrawal of government subsidies. The loss of ship building as well is highly contentious.
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          • #50
            Spanish built surface ships such as the new air defense destroyers and LHD's, now it would appear Japanese submarines will be built for Oz. So it would appear Australia is out of building any warship over 3,500 tons?

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            • #51
              I wouldn't be getting too excited at any of the chat re future subs.

              99% of the commentary by journos is reconstituted pap and they often have no idea of what the critical capability is that has been sought after

              I'd add that I've been pushing for RAN to partner with the Japanese since the StrategyPage days of 8 years ago - so within the Defence community this is not a new idea.

              some of the journo reports and claims are just trite nonsense
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              • #52
                Originally posted by JRT View Post
                Before anybody starts up about necropost zombies rising from the dead, please consider that the subject matter is evolving slowly, is far from dead, and attached below is some on-topic news.
                Adding to that, here is a recent YouTube video on the Future Submarine Program, the Attack class, the Collins class replacement.

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                Fleecing the Future Submarine Program
                published by Sub Brief
                premiered on 08 March 2021

                "How a cabal of Politicians, Lobbyist, and a Sub Officer fleeced Australia out of Billions."

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                  Naval Group CEO on Australia's Attack-class submarine program

                  Naval News
                  09 April 2021

                  Interview with Pierre Eric Pommellet, Naval Group's chairman and CEO, about Australia's Attack-class submarine program.
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                  Pierre Eric Pommellet visited Australia in February and met with Commonwealth officials for talks on matters including the joint 60 per cent agreement. Australia's Future Submarine Program reached a major milestone with the conclusion of negotiations between the Department of Defence and Naval Group for the amendments to the Strategic Partnering Agreement. This will see Naval Group’s commitment to spend at least 60 percent of the contract value in Australia over the life of the Program reflected formally in the Agreement, supporting Australian jobs in the defence industry.

                  The amendments ensure that the achievement of Naval Group’s commitment is now a contractual obligation, measured during the course of the Program, driving Australian industry involvement as the Attack class submarines are designed and delivered.

                  Construction on the first ship-in-class (the future HMAS Attack) is set to start in 2023 and its delivery should take place in the early 2030ies. The next units will follow with a cadence of one submarine every two years.

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