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  • The fuel on board was limited by reports due to restrictive regulations of the range at Hawaii.
    Last edited by surfgun; 22 Jul 16,, 19:19.


    • Originally posted by surfgun View Post
      The fuel on board was limited by reports due to restrictive regulations of the range at Hawaii.
      Thank you.


      • Originally posted by SteveDaPirate View Post
        That would be ideal, but I don't think it will happen. The kinds of things you would think they would be sharing already like radar/EWAR suites are totally different between the hulls. If anything I expect the LCS and SSC to diverge more as time goes on. LCS will continue to prioritize space for deploying boats, RO-RO for vehicles, and aviation assets. The SSC will cut into or give up these capabilities in favor of armor, over the horizon missiles, 3D radar, and additional electronic and torpedo countermeasures. The plan as it stands is for the SSC to be labeled as a Frigate and focus on surface and and anti-submarine warfare, while the LCS keeps the mine hunting, secret squirrel, and littoral mission set.

        The fact that navy hasn't downselected to a single hull yet surely means there is some intense political pressure to keep both Austal and Bollinger shipyards busy. I don't expect that political pressure to go away, but they could designate one hull for LCS and the other for SSC and let the designs diverge accordingly.

        Both Lockheed and Austal have submitted SSC designs, but the selection isn't due to occur until 2018.
        Here you go! SSC/FFG based on the USCG Legend Class Cutter.

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        • Video: launching of LCS 14 Manchester.


          • Fort Worth so far has made it as far as the Philippines on its trip back to San Diego.


            • USS Coronado Suffers Engineering Casualty, Returning to Pearl Harbor

              The Littoral Combat Ship USS Coronado (LCS-4) has suffered an engineering casualty in route to Singapore and is returning to Hawaii to assess the damage, Navy officials told USNI News on Tuesday.

              The ship suffered the casualty on Monday, three days out from Joint Base Hickam-Pearl Harbor and two months into a Western Pacific deployment.

              Following the casualty, “The crew took precautionary measures and the ship is currently returning to Pearl Harbor to determine the extent of the problem and conduct repairs,” read the statement. “Coronado is operating under its own power and is being escorted by USNS Henry J. Kaiser.”

              The ship is operating under its own power with a speed restriction of 10 knots, two sources familiar with the casualty told USNI News.

              The statement provided to USNI News indicated the root cause is unknown, but the two sources said crew members saw electricity arcing around the Vulkan shaft and coupling system that routes the output from the ship’s General Electric LM 2500 gas turbines and MTU main propulsion diesel engines to the ship’s waterjets.

              “An assessment of the casualty will be completed upon return to Pearl Harbor and additional details will be made available when possible,” read the statement.

              The ship departed Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam on Aug. 26, ultimately bound for the Changi Naval Base in Singapore as part of a planned 18-month deployment.

              “While deployed to 7th Fleet, Coronado will conduct routine patrols, port visits and exercises with regional navies,” the service said in a Monday statement.
              “Prior to arriving at Changi Naval Base in Singapore this fall, Coronado will join exercise Kakadu in Australia, followed by Deep Sabre in Singapore.”

              Coronado is the first deployed LCS with an over-the-horizon anti-ship missile – a Boeing-built Harpoon Block 1C.

              Coronado’s casualty follows damage suffered to one of the Lockheed Martin-built USS Freedom’s (LCS-3) main propulsion diesel engines, USNI News reported on Sunday. The engineering casualty also comes as LCS USS Fort Worth (LCS-3) is returning to San Diego after overcoming its own propulsion casualty in January.

              “The casualty appears to be unrelated to recent propulsion problems on Freedom and Fort Worth,” the Navy statement said.

              Still, the Navy is concerned that there may be systemic problems with how the service operates both classes of the LCS. The service has just completed a new review of the LCS operating and maintenance concepts.

              “Last night’s problem is the fourth issue in the last year,” Chief of Naval Operations John Richardson said int a Tuesday statement.
              “Some of these were caused by personnel and some were due to design and engineering. These issues are all receiving our full and immediate attention, both individually and in the aggregate.”

              “The entire leadership team is focused on ensuring our ships are properly designed and built, and that our Sailors have the tools and training they need to safely and effectively operate these ships. These ships bring needed capability to our combatant and theater commanders–we must get these problems fixed now.”



              • Amazing! I guess the extended warranty is a must?


                • Freedom (LCS-1) suffered an engineering casualty recently, too. Seems that a seal failed, allowing sea water into the engine lube oil system for the propulsion diesels.


                  • LCS 6 Jackson completes post shock testing repairs.



                    • Its a new system. The Navy will take the results of the investigations back and see what changes need to be made at the various schools and if any design changes need to be made.

                      This stuff happens when anything new is introduced. We have been doing LM 2500 gas turbines since 1975. It takes time to work the kinks out of a new system. Give it time.


                      • Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
                        This stuff happens when anything new is introduced. We have been doing LM 2500 gas turbines since 1975. It takes time to work the kinks out of a new system. Give it time.
                        Same thing with pretty much every complex U.S. weapons system in living memory: A disaster when first introduced, usually a war-winner or at least a stalwart system when it matures.

                        Probably easier to list the true lemons that never did find their footing.
                        “You scare people badly enough, you can get 'em to do anything They'll turn to whoever promises a solution”


                        • I was in Marinette, WI a few weeks ago, where some of these are built. Got some pics. Interesting paint scheme. Almost like a WWII era Measure 22.


                          • pics.

                            Reminds me of how many gunboats in the Civil War and LSTs and other smaller craft in World War 2 were all built far from salt water.
                            “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                            Mark Twain


                            • Lots of subs were built here during the war. USS Cobia is on display in Manitowoc.

                              She sunk a freighter carrying a load of tanks bound for Iwo Jima before that battle happened.


                              • Blast test video: