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Originally posted by jlvfr View PostI wasn't even thinking about warhead size, but missile range. With that size, it can't be that much, which means that the LCS risks firing pretty much at the same time as an opponent...
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Originally posted by HKDan View PostLCS are not the ships that are going to be taking on Chinese destroyers."There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge
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The concept of a littoral combat ships is fine. That concept should not necessarily be equated exclusively with asymetric warfare though. It could just as easily involve high end conflict which LCS would then be completely incapable of handling. I'd rather have two more DDG-1000's than 20 LCS. Even in asymetric conflicts, third parties can and do often supply high-end weapons to the participants. I can just imagine the wreck of LCS-2 lying off the Somali coast after it was hit by several Russian/Chinese made anti-tank missiles when it got a little too close to the shoreline.
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If the gun crews aboard and the SH-60's could not keep them away, a few RPG's would turn an LCS into a melted mess before the small crew could do anything to put the fire out. They would flee to deeper water and abandon ship, and hope that friendly's would get there before the pirates got there. Hopefully, they would have some M-14's to keep the pirates at a distance!
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LCS is perfect for Obama's world view. It is designed for international 'Police' actions, no doubt acting on instructions from the UN and 'humanitarian relief operations'. Peasant, drug smugglers and Pirates with light weapons in open boats are its chosen adversary - anything more than that and LCS is toast! This is not a tool for expeditionary warfare or international deterrence.
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Originally posted by Xtvpry View PostLCS is perfect for Obama's world view. It is designed for international 'Police' actions, no doubt acting on instructions from the UN and 'humanitarian relief operations'. Peasant, drug smugglers and Pirates with light weapons in open boats are its chosen adversary - anything more than that and LCS is toast! This is not a tool for expeditionary warfare or international deterrence.
You realize that the program predates Obama, right? And that the program was started under Bush II and if there was anyone likely to be involved in the Secret UN control of the US, it would be the son of the man that made the phrase 'New World Order' popular.
This isn't something that Obama wants, it's something that the Navy says they need.
/adjust tinfoil hat to shield better from the reptillian mind control rays
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Peasant, drug smugglers and Pirates with light weapons in open boats are its chosen adversary - anything more than that and LCS is toast! This is not a tool for expeditionary warfare or international deterrence.sigpic"If your plan is for one year, plant rice. If your plan is for ten years, plant trees.
If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children."
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Originally posted by Xtvpry View PostI'd rather have two more DDG-1000's than 20 LCS. Even in asymetric conflicts, third parties can and do often supply high-end weapons to the participants. I can just imagine the wreck of LCS-2 lying off the Somali coast after it was hit by several Russian/Chinese made anti-tank missiles when it got a little too close to the shoreline.
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Originally posted by surfgun View PostA whole heck of lot more than 13 pounds of HE in a Griffin, not to mention range.
A 105mm HE round M-1 has 4.8lbs of TNT if you include the supplementary charge.
A 155mm, M-107 HE round has 14.88. Thats not "A whole heck of a lot more"
( hint- When a retired artilleryman ask a question like that, you might want to reconsider your position. He isn't trying to make his self look bad ;) )
Whats the range of the Griffin? Being a laser guided projectile/missile it is guaranteed first round hit. What range that a M-107 HE round can shoot that can be guaranteed first round accuracy?
How many non guided rounds would you have to store and fire to equal one Griffin missile?Last edited by Gun Grape; 17 Jan 11,, 02:35.
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The 155mm round has a lot of heavy shrapnel to throw and would carry much more kinetic energy. What kind of shrapnel is a Griffin going to throw? For range of the Griffin, see my earlier post #335. I am not debating that the Griffin is not a "smart" weapon, but debating it's terminal effectiveness and range against an actual naval weapon. I suppose the Griffin's saving grace is that it has charge is much larger than the LCS's 57mm gun.Last edited by surfgun; 17 Jan 11,, 03:04.
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